Topic: In match protests, it's time.

[Jase]

Whatever is done is going to have to be on a constant basis. Face facts, the first time something is attempted is unlikely to have big numbers....we all know that from past experience. Whatever we do, we have to be prepared to do for just about every home game if not every single one.

The reality is we need numbers to make an impact, a couple of hundred of us invading the pitch (which I'm not advocating, just using as an example) will just look mad.

[PJLFC1]

Get Out of Our Club sang to Broughton with the words " You Chelsea Rent Boy " ! or at Purslow with "                  " cant think or any at the minute very early , any suggestions ?

[Niru Red4ever]

An honest question - what percentage of match goers are aware of the problems at some level? I guess after this summer; it would have increased a lot.

[Fairytale of 2005]

I agree with everything, bar pitch invasions. That must not happen imo.

[PJLFC1]

An honest question - what percentage of match goers are aware of the problems at some level? I guess after this summer; it would have increased a lot.

Alot say about 90% with the remaining 5% being children and to young to understand  and 5% being foreign daytrippers who dont want to understand as they are there for a nice day out etc ! the question imho is how many have their heads actually buried in the sand still when its now evident all is crumbling around them yet they refuse to acknowledge or do anything about it ! Thing is each season is scarier than the last and i have a feeling that we could end up finishing around 9th this season judgeing us on our first games , i know its early on but if players leave and the ones we might be getting in are as predicted then we will struggle for sure , plus Roys away form for Fulham over the past 2 seasons is a huge worry , but we were even sitting very deep against Arsenal and Trabzonspor at home ! Early last season as i predicted we would be lucky to finish 7th and its there on my previous posts if anyone wants to check , hope i am wrong this year and would love to be optimistic but i am being realistic imho .

[GODS LEFT BOOT]

Before any major protest starts in match - the fans need educating. The ones who openly will buy replica shirts, pay how much ever it takes to get merchandise, tickets, and a hot dog at the match.

Educating people, will leaflets and posters.

Leaflets need to be at first, handed out at the game. Posters - stick them up outside Anfield, any street nearby, in town - anywhere it will get decent exposure.

Once they have caught up on this, and only then, can we organize an in match protest to the scale of what we want, until then, nothing will happen.

Thinking aloud here, trying to get any of my ideas in the open, but I think we have done all we can to educate fans online - we need to take it offline and to the streets of Liverpool.

Can we organise some kind of fund for this, ( through SOS?  ) those of us who think were in the know get the hump with those who aren't  - we cant educate them online -  we have to go to the street

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Dont go. Dont buy.

Because if you don't, nobody else will?

Bullshit.  If you want the owners out go to the games and let them fucking know.  Running away from the issue and having some apathetic quilt take your place helps absolutely nobody. 

Our group are boycotting the Europa games because we can, and because they probably won't sell out and as such our non-attendance makes a difference.  Not attending a sold out league game makes no difference to anyone and dilutes the anti-owner feeling in the ground.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

An honest question - what percentage of match goers are aware of the problems at some level? I guess after this summer; it would have increased a lot.

It's not black and white.  You would seriously need to be from another planet to have missed the problems.  However many have been hoodwinked by the media and the spin of the senior c*nts (sorry sources) into thinking it was all Rafa Benitez's fault as he dropped all our money down a grid while pissed on the sangria. 

Then you have another large proportion who know that there is a problem but think that as fans there is fuck all we can do about it.

Then there is another large group who think that regardless of what is going on the important thing is to get behind the team at the game (shame that the only time most of them actually did this was at Havant and Waterlooville the other year). 

Clearly movement between the groups is fluid and events of the summer should see more and more people coalescing in the "it's time to protest" faction.  The proportion of matchgoers that are on the forums is tiny though so the only real way to guage opinion is to try it

[Slinky]

SOS need to step up. The best way for them to increase membership is to organise an in-match protest that gets noticed by the media and reaches out to fans who don't go online. If people feel they can 'be part of it' with minimal effort then I think more and more will get behind the campaign.

[fatherjack]

Before any major protest starts in match - the fans need educating. The ones who openly will buy replica shirts, pay how much ever it takes to get merchandise, tickets, and a hot dog at the match.

Educating people, will leaflets and posters.

Leaflets need to be at first, handed out at the game. Posters - stick them up outside Anfield, any street nearby, in town - anywhere it will get decent exposure.

Once they have caught up on this, and only then, can we organize an in match protest to the scale of what we want, until then, nothing will happen.

Thinking aloud here, trying to get any of my ideas in the open, but I think we have done all we can to educate fans online - we need to take it offline and to the streets of Liverpool.

This post here hits the nail on the head it is all about educating the folks that have'nt joined SOS or don't visit LFC websites.

Imo SOS should start contacting local supporters clubs and passing on the message about not buying official club merchandise and if you must go to the game then don't spend a penny at the ground.

Education is the key here but the biggest stumbling block to getting in ground protests properly supported are the 26'000 seasies, get them on board and things would really kickoff. Oh and the seasies would also need to pass on the message to the folks they loan their ticket to when they are not going to a match.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

SOS need to step up. The best way for them to increase membership is to organise an in-match protest that gets noticed by the media and reaches out to fans who don't go online. If people feel they can 'be part of it' with minimal effort then I think more and more will get behind the campaign.

Everyone seems to post on here as if all SoS have to do is say "There is going to be an in game protest, it will take this form" and that it will therefore happen.   

As I said earlier the first big in-game protest that SoS tried was at the Havant and Waterlooville game, there was civil war on the Kop and it set back SoS hugely in terms of their standing with the matchgoing support.  They were perceived as attempting to force their views on others rather than representing the views of fans. 

That's the crux really and you are putting the cart before the horse mate.  In order to have a successful in-game protest you FIRST need to have the backing of the matchgoing fans. Not vice versa.

[fatherjack]

Everyone seems to post on here as if all SoS have to do is say "There is going to be an in game protest, it will take this form" and that it will therefore happen.   

As I said earlier the first big in-game protest that SoS tried was at the Havant and Waterlooville game, there was civil war on the Kop and it set back SoS hugely in terms of their standing with the matchgoing support.  They were perceived as attempting to force their views on others rather than representing the views of fans. 

That's the crux really and you are putting the cart before the horse mate.  In order to have a successful in-game protest you FIRST need to have the backing of the matchgoing fans. Not vice versa.

This post is spot on which is why i think SOS and all the other groups that are fighting to protect our clubs future need to think of ways to make contact with and educate the supporters who still have not twigged that our club is in mortal danger.

Get the masses on message first then take it from there.

[redgriffin73]

Get Out of Our Club sang to Broughton with the words " You Chelsea Rent Boy " ! or at Purslow with "                  " cant think or any at the minute very early , any suggestions ?

Just "oh Christian/Cecil Purslow" would fit in and be easily identifiable I would have thought. Don't want him thinking we mean someone else.

[rafasredangel]

If I was going I'd join in.

But I'm not giving the Yank scumbags a penny more of my money.

[Slinky]

Everyone seems to post on here as if all SoS have to do is say "There is going to be an in game protest, it will take this form" and that it will therefore happen.   

As I said earlier the first big in-game protest that SoS tried was at the Havant and Waterlooville game, there was civil war on the Kop and it set back SoS hugely in terms of their standing with the matchgoing support.  They were perceived as attempting to force their views on others rather than representing the views of fans. 

That's the crux really and you are putting the cart before the horse mate.  In order to have a successful in-game protest you FIRST need to have the backing of the matchgoing fans. Not vice versa.

I completely understand what your saying but this thread suggests the matchgoing fans do want to have a succesful in-game protest and it will be 10x harder for a protest to actually occur without the backing and resources of SOS or a similarly large fan body. Rawk has come up with hundreds of ideas but few of them have ever been succesfully organised mainly because there hasn't been a 'leader' as such who feels they have the authority to go ahead and take the idea to the next level. If SOS, or another group of fans could pick up one of the ideas and get the ball rolling then one might actually come to fruition rather than being another of the dozens rotting away on rawk or other forums.
I know that in-match protests first need the support of the matchgoing fans but thats why i love the paper aeroplane idea, because I doubt any matchgoer who is handed a paper aeroplane outside anfield is going to refuse to throw it. Stick an SOS logo on every paper aeroplane along with a few facts about interest payments and the RBS deadline etc and i'm sure they'll get another few hundred members as a result. I think a protest like this is one of the easiest ways to reach the less hardcore fans with SOS's message and make them realise it is not just some sort of elitist ultra style group but something they can actually be part of.

[xavidub]

If i were giving the cancers my money by going to the game this would be the least i would be doing.

Best of luck setting it up

[Red_Hugh]

Black Bin Bags - and 'Bin The Yanks' - Like Genoa away 1992 ...............

[Zlen]

I think that 'Our shirt' is realisticaly the best thing so far.
Buy it, wear it, talk about it and repeat all year long.

[shanklyboy]

Apart from a few lads making a contribution, the thread on this died a death.
It's none vocal. It's not confrontational. It's easy to achieve. It could be visually superb.

[PJLFC1]

Apart from a few lads making a contribution, the thread on this died a death.
It's none vocal. It's not confrontational. It's easy to achieve. It could be visually superb.

If am being honest , if its not official from SOS then its usually a non starter , i wish this wasnt the case as there has been plenty of good proposals over the past year on this forum and other forums i use , something major needs to be done and the sooner the better as its been far to long as it is !

[brownie 09]

There are rumors floating around in the RBS lunch rooms that if LFC fans sing louder every game, that they will have no choice but to call in the loan.... 

if thats the case then no one can object!

Black sunday people! http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262394.0

[Niru Red4ever]

Clearly movement between the groups is fluid and events of the summer should see more and more people coalescing in the "it's time to protest" faction.  The proportion of matchgoers that are on the forums is tiny though so the only real way to guage opinion is to try it

Black T-shirts are going in the match today. Lets see how quickly it catches up - and that would be an indicator, I guess.

[brownie 09]

a few of us tried to get some chants going in block 305 which were soon shouted down! support the team blah blah blah ye coz sitting there in silence is supporting the team isnt it! tossers!

[Paul Gardner]

Everyone seems to post on here as if all SoS have to do is say "There is going to be an in game protest, it will take this form" and that it will therefore happen.   

As I said earlier the first big in-game protest that SoS tried was at the Havant and Waterlooville game, there was civil war on the Kop and it set back SoS hugely in terms of their standing with the matchgoing support.  They were perceived as attempting to force their views on others rather than representing the views of fans. 

That's the crux really and you are putting the cart before the horse mate.  In order to have a successful in-game protest you FIRST need to have the backing of the matchgoing fans. Not vice versa.

Not 100% right. The Havant and Waterlooville game was 4 days before the SOS even had their first meeting in the Sandon. There had been singing previously during a game (Villa if I recall right), but Havant and Waterlooville showed that the feeling wasn't there amongst many to do so. The tide looked like it could change against Portsmouth last season with some chants towards the end of the game, but there wasn't much appetite for it.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Not 100% right. The Havant and Waterlooville game was 4 days before the SOS even had their first meeting in the Sandon. There had been singing previously during a game (Villa if I recall right), but Havant and Waterlooville showed that the feeling wasn't there amongst many to do so. The tide looked like it could change against Portsmouth last season with some chants towards the end of the game, but there wasn't much appetite for it.

Cheers for clarifying that Paul, my shit memory again.  Just shows how far SoS have come in such a little time though.  Looking around me in Kop 105 / 205 I still don't think there is the appetite unfortunately.  It's just apathetic moaning I'm afraid.

[Paul Gardner]

Cheers for clarifying that Paul, my shit memory again.  Just shows how far SoS have come in such a little time though.  Looking around me in Kop 105 / 205 I still don't think there is the appetite unfortunately.  It's just apathetic moaning I'm afraid.

It does show that, some still think the Rafa march before Porto game was SOS even though we didn't exist until a few months afterwards. You are right on the appetite. Always remember the Leeds game where some were trying to get chants going for others then to start singing "There's only one Peter Ridsdale."

[Hij]

Cheers for clarifying that Paul, my shit memory again.  Just shows how far SoS have come in such a little time though.  Looking around me in Kop 105 / 205 I still don't think there is the appetite unfortunately.  It's just apathetic moaning I'm afraid.

It was the RTK blocks that started off the chants I think.

[Zappa]

This post here hits the nail on the head it is all about educating the folks that have'nt joined SOS or don't visit LFC websites.

Imo SOS should start contacting local supporters clubs and passing on the message about not buying official club merchandise and if you must go to the game then don't spend a penny at the ground.

Education is the key here but the biggest stumbling block to getting in ground protests properly supported are the 26'000 seasies, get them on board and things would really kickoff. Oh and the seasies would also need to pass on the message to the folks they loan their ticket to when they are not going to a match.

Spot on

and if you really want to ruffle some feathers keep going on about "educating" people. It's always a good idea when trying to get someone to come to your viewpoint to start of with a statement that sounds to them as if you are saying they are thick.

Passing out info and "educating" are miles apart

[El Denzel Pepito]

Instead of:



Have something similar like this in the Kop.. maybe? -

[Spleen]

That would be an epic statement and it would be all over TV

[Slinky]

That's brilliant. Anyone able to estimate how much it would cost to get it made?

[24/7]

That's brilliant. Anyone able to estimate how much it would cost to get it made?

It would look ace, agreed, but I think the bigger problem would be getting it in unnoticed

[GeneticRed]

Its a great image. The only thing i'd question is the word 'Yank'. In the current climate of political correctness it could put some people off supporting it. And to be fair with good reason. It is the values of H&G that we despise not the fact they're american, although admittedly they do follow values that could be seen as american above anything else.
Some people would say that Yank is a racist term. Some people would not. But the question is not whether or not to debate whether it is racist but whether or not there is a better word or wording that wouldn't get anyones back up. A better wording in theory could produce more support which is what is wanted no?

[brownie 09]

So the first batch of shirts have finally arrived! so lets get advertising the shirt and showing the yanks (again) we fucking despise them!

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=262394.80;topicseen for any discussions or questions

Plan is meet outside shanklys statue WITH YOUR NEW OUR CLUB OUR SHIRT (if you havent got one please just wear a black top!) 1 hour before every home games!

Get a picture of us all with 'OUR CLUB OUR SHIRT'

Thanks

If you can also please take on of these flyers with you that would be great!





Also like to say a big thanks to everyone who came the west brom game and met up outside i look forward to seeing you there again!

[brownie 09]

Its a great image. The only thing i'd question is the word 'Yank'. In the current climate of political correctness it could put some people off supporting it. And to be fair with good reason. It is the values of H&G that we despise not the fact they're american, although admittedly they do follow values that could be seen as american above anything else.
Some people would say that Yank is a racist term. Some people would not. But the question is not whether or not to debate whether it is racist but whether or not there is a better word or wording that wouldn't get anyones back up. A better wording in theory could produce more support which is what is wanted no?

in fairness this has been debated millions of times and discussions with american lfc fans who understand what it means and dont care so theres really no point everyone knows who its about it.

[GeneticRed]

in fairness this has been debated millions of times and discussions with american lfc fans who understand what it means and dont care so theres really no point everyone knows who its about it.

Just thinking purely from the position of trying to win new supporters. If it's agreed that the apathy of season ticket holders is a problem then its them minds that need to be won over. There will be minds that see the campaign as verging on militant. Obviously this is not true but it doesn't really matter that we know and think its not true it matters what the people who need to be won over think and words like 'Yank' may well maintain that perceived militant vibe and put people off being won over.
Only saying it from the point of view of getting into new minds and gaining more support.

[brownie 09]

Just thinking purely from the position of trying to win new supporters. If it's agreed that the apathy of season ticket holders is a problem then its them minds that need to be won over. There will be minds that see the campaign as verging on militant. Obviously this is not true but it doesn't really matter that we know and think its not true it matters what the people who need to be won over think and words like 'Yank' may well maintain that perceived militant vibe and put people off being won over.
Only saying it from the point of view of getting into new minds and gaining more support.

i understand what your saying completely mate, but most of these fans are the same people who moan when theres in-game protests, these people would rather sit there and do nothing then do something as it means them putting in a bit of effort! hopefully with torres saying something these people will start to think that stuff needs to be done but i doubt it!

[Mutton Geoff]

Spot on

and if you really want to ruffle some feathers keep going on about "educating" people. It's always a good idea when trying to get someone to come to your viewpoint to start of with a statement that sounds to them as if you are saying they are thick.

Passing out info and "educating" are miles apart

And if people have no idea what is going on how do they learn about it?  Well you inform them or to give it it's academic name, educate them, Educate to Inform or to pass on information and knowledge, now what were you saying about Thick?

See we can all play the semantics game but it is purile and pointless and in your case wrong!

[Degs]

I was part of an in-match protest once against Havant and Waterlooville we were shouted down by those at the front of the Kop and booed us.

[Tommy316]

I agree that it is time for in match protests. We need something with a similar sort of planning and magnitude to Truth Day we had a few years back, which to this day is still my proudest moment as a Liverpool fan. I understand the reasons are entirely different but we need something similar because that, rightly, got noticed in such a big way.

I apologise if this suggestion seems inappropriate but I used Truth Day as an example to get my point across.