Topic: Legendary Teams Draft (1990-2020) - Sign-Up/Discussion Thread

[tubby]

Fatty do i have to play Ramos at Centre Back? The positions aren't locked are they? 

The formation is locked and you have to replace the players you have with players that play the same position.  So if you want to replace Ramos with someone who isn't a centre back, that's up to you, but then you'll end up with two right backs.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Djozer owes us a pick, time elapsed, so I made a pick, and pmed Bobby.

[tubby]

Djozer owes us a pick, time elapsed, so I made a pick, and pmed Bobby.

Ta, I PM'd Djozer a reminder.  He can pick when he's back on.

[Crosby Nick]

Jesus, a few of my possibles have taken a battering in the last few picks.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Djozer owes us a pick, time elapsed, so I made a pick, and pmed Bobby.

DeFacto pleases you bastards?  Seems like an odd name

[deFacto please, you bastards]

DeFacto pleases you bastards?  Seems like an odd name

Mods are lacking quality creativity as of late 

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Viva and Nick are up....

[Sheer Magnetism]

Stam's ineligible, he was in the initial two dozen.

[Djozer]

Sorry I was a bit late.

I have to be honest, I'm struggling with a few of these picks. The team I've been chosen is one I never really had any interest in watching because of their pwn special brand of antifootball, so a lot of the players I don't know that much about and youtube scouring only goes so far when trying to work out what players were actually like and their exact attributes. Still, I needed a bald, physical centre half, and Stam is certainly that. I've probably fucked up a few of these picks due to general footballing ignorance, but oh well.

[Djozer]

Stam's ineligible, he was in the initial two dozen.

Ah bollocks.

Changed it to Campbell. Not an exact analogue, but has some of the attributes (I think) the centre half I'm replacing had. Bald, physical, stuff like that.

[vivabobbygraham]

Sorry I'm late, guys. I've pm'd Nick

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Flash not around, back to Luis.

[Crosby Nick]

Alaba would have fitted my style of play nicely. Ah well.

[Crosby Nick]

I think I’m intending to play Lahm as a left back. Here is the write up for the left back he’ll be replacing:

“ Despite being naturally right-footed, he was capable of playing with either foot, and he usually preferred to play on the left side of the pitch. In this role, he was known for his pace, calm composure, reading of the game, and stamina, as well as his ability to chase and close down opponents, win back the ball with his tackles, and subsequently carry it up the flank, play exchanges with teammates, get forward, and deliver crosses into the area, courtesy of his distribution and ability to make attacking runs, which enabled him to cover the flank effectively. He was also capable of playing as a central or defensive midfielder, and was even used as a centre-back on occasion, due to his consistency, awareness, and man-marking ability”

Is that fair? If you object I’ll just play him at Right Back as he would obviously do a job there too but based on the above was looking for a right footer with experience at playing LB for a prolonged spell.

[vivabobbygraham]

I think I’m intending to play Lahm as a left back. Here is the write up for the left back he’ll be replacing:

“ Despite being naturally right-footed, he was capable of playing with either foot, and he usually preferred to play on the left side of the pitch. In this role, he was known for his pace, calm composure, reading of the game, and stamina, as well as his ability to chase and close down opponents, win back the ball with his tackles, and subsequently carry it up the flank, play exchanges with teammates, get forward, and deliver crosses into the area, courtesy of his distribution and ability to make attacking runs, which enabled him to cover the flank effectively. He was also capable of playing as a central or defensive midfielder, and was even used as a centre-back on occasion, due to his consistency, awareness, and man-marking ability”

Is that fair? If you object I’ll just play him at Right Back as he would obviously do a job there too but based on the above was looking for a right footer with experience at playing LB for a prolonged spell.

You're not going to get consensus, mate and the hyena's will be all over you when we get to the sharp end, whatever You've convinced me, Nicky me boy. You stick to your guns

[Betty Blue]

I think I’m intending to play Lahm as a left back. Here is the write up for the left back he’ll be replacing:

“ Despite being naturally right-footed, he was capable of playing with either foot, and he usually preferred to play on the left side of the pitch. In this role, he was known for his pace, calm composure, reading of the game, and stamina, as well as his ability to chase and close down opponents, win back the ball with his tackles, and subsequently carry it up the flank, play exchanges with teammates, get forward, and deliver crosses into the area, courtesy of his distribution and ability to make attacking runs, which enabled him to cover the flank effectively. He was also capable of playing as a central or defensive midfielder, and was even used as a centre-back on occasion, due to his consistency, awareness, and man-marking ability”

Is that fair? If you object I’ll just play him at Right Back as he would obviously do a job there too but based on the above was looking for a right footer with experience at playing LB for a prolonged spell.

Good to see someone making an effort to think their picks through. Lahm is obviously in a whole different stratosphere to who he's replacing, but the thinking above is sound IMO.

Also liked the Dunga pick, by the way.

[Samie]

Hey, I reject the notion I'm not thinking about my picks. 

[KingLuis10]

Lahm is obviously in a whole different stratosphere to who he's replacing, but the thinking above is sound IMO.

You take that back!

And you know why I'm saying this 

[Betty Blue]

You take that back!

And you know why I'm saying this 

Draft legend this guy. Safest 11th round LB in the biz.

[El Lobo]

I think I’m intending to play Lahm as a left back. Here is the write up for the left back he’ll be replacing:

“ Despite being naturally right-footed, he was capable of playing with either foot, and he usually preferred to play on the left side of the pitch. In this role, he was known for his pace, calm composure, reading of the game, and stamina, as well as his ability to chase and close down opponents, win back the ball with his tackles, and subsequently carry it up the flank, play exchanges with teammates, get forward, and deliver crosses into the area, courtesy of his distribution and ability to make attacking runs, which enabled him to cover the flank effectively. He was also capable of playing as a central or defensive midfielder, and was even used as a centre-back on occasion, due to his consistency, awareness, and man-marking ability”

Is that fair? If you object I’ll just play him at Right Back as he would obviously do a job there too but based on the above was looking for a right footer with experience at playing LB for a prolonged spell.

Yeah I think that’s exactly the point of the draft *cough Samie*

I’m trying to think mine through but I’m trying to replace pretty much all time greats and my managers managed pretty much every other all time great since the 90s

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Apologies, was stuck in a meeting.

PM'ed Jozer

[Samie]

Yeah I think that’s exactly the point of the draft *cough Samie*

I’m trying to think mine through but I’m trying to replace pretty much all time greats and my managers managed pretty much every other all time great since the 90s

I am thinking about my picks. Your bias against me is showing Lobo.   

[Something Worse]

Whatever the question is, the answer is never Gareth Bale

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Whatever the question is, the answer is never Gareth Bale

Bale was a top player, Golf antics aside. Let's not pretend he didn't win the EC single handedly only 2 years ago, and prior to that played at a top level consistently for a number of years.

[Lastrador]

Yeah, Bale has wrecked his reputation on the last couple of years, but he was a top player for a good couple of years. Although maybe a bit overrated.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Yeah, Bale has wrecked his reputation on the last couple of years, but he was a top player for a good couple of years.

105 goals in 250 appearances for Real as well.

[Betty Blue]

105 goals in 250 appearances for Real as well.

Farmer's league.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Farmer's league.

Aye apparently that' the case

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Claus - had a request to move this Sunday's Guillotine draft from 7pm BST to 2:30pm BST (for me that 9:30am on Sunday).  Does this work for you? 

[Something Worse]

Claus - had a request to move this Sunday's Guillotine draft from 7pm BST to 2:30pm BST (for me that 9:30am on Sunday).  Does this work for you?

230 is 730 my time!

Sure, I'm picking first right?

[Trendisnotdestiny]

230 is 730 my time!

Sure, I'm picking first right?

Haha! I'll see what I can do.  This was a Stoa based request... 

In terms of this draft, I sent my picks to tubby - so have Lobo send his PM to Tubbs when he is ready and make sure Vish gets one

[tubby]

PM'd Vish.

Some of these picks are starting to look a bit mad when compared to who they're replacing.  So... I am going to propose an additional round (or two) at the end of the picks, where drafters can opt to drop one of their picks back into the drafting pool and replace them with a new pick (I'll rehash the draft order for it).

This will give you the opportunity to replace anyone you think might not actually be a like-for-like replacement.  And there are a few of those knocking about.

[KingLuis10]

PM'd Vish.

Some of these picks are starting to look a bit mad when compared to who they're replacing.  So... I am going to propose an additional round (or two) at the end of the picks, where drafters can opt to drop one of their picks back into the drafting pool and replace them with a new pick (I'll rehash the draft order for it).

This will give you the opportunity to replace anyone you think might not actually be a like-for-like replacement.  And there are a few of those knocking about.

I vote no additional rounds, and publicly shaming anyone who's ignored the rules

[Samie]

Let me know when it's Claus turn.

[Betty Blue]

I vote no additional rounds, and publicly shaming anyone who's ignored the rules

I think possibly in hindsight the hidden element of the draft has hurt the ability for people to see the mistakes they might have been making and react to it. There have been some absolutely terrible picks in all honesty, which deserved to be derided when they were made but haven't been because no fucker other than themselves really knows who they're replacing. Also might have helped as people could have defended their picks - since sometimes they will see something others don't. I think on this note, it would be really really good if at the end everyone wrote a short sentence or two on each of their picks explaining why they chose the guy they did and how their playing styles match.

[Samie]

Apart from moi.  Everyone knows who I'm replacing and the team I have.

[Sheer Magnetism]

I think possibly in hindsight the hidden element of the draft has hurt the ability for people to see the mistakes they might have been making and react to it. There have been some absolutely terrible picks in all honesty, which deserved to be derided when they were made but haven't been because no fucker other than themselves really knows who they're replacing. Also might have helped as people could have defended their picks - since sometimes they will see something others don't. I think on this note, it would be really really good if at the end everyone wrote a short sentence or two on each of their picks explaining why they chose the guy they did and how their playing styles match.

I assumed we would be anyway, but it's difficult to know how accurate or otherwise the picks are because we don't know which teams everyone else has got (though you could probably work out the teams going by the personnel at the top). Having said that, we have to take into account that it's not always easy finding players who replicate what you're replacing, especially if someone else has got in first. There's a reason these players were world class!

[KingLuis10]

I think possibly in hindsight the hidden element of the draft has hurt the ability for people to see the mistakes they might have been making and react to it. There have been some absolutely terrible picks in all honesty, which deserved to be derided when they were made but haven't been because no fucker other than themselves really knows who they're replacing. Also might have helped as people could have defended their picks - since sometimes they will see something others don't. I think on this note, it would be really really good if at the end everyone wrote a short sentence or two on each of their picks explaining why they chose the guy they did and how their playing styles match.

It really depends on how bad the picks are, the rest of us can't judge that at this point! If people have made picks that are generally in line with the draft rules, but they've since thought of a player that would be an even better fit, then it'd be cool if we got the chance to swap our pick. But if some fuckers are just blatantly disregarding the rules then I'm looking forward to deriding their picks when everything's revealed and I don't think they should get the chance to swap them out

[Betty Blue]

I assumed we would be anyway, but it's difficult to know how accurate or otherwise the picks are because we don't know which teams everyone else has got (though you could probably work out the teams going by the personnel at the top). Having said that, we have to take into account that it's not always easy finding players who replicate what you're replacing, especially if someone else has got in first. There's a reason these players were world class!

Yes, that's the problem really. I liked the idea of the secret element, but it hasn't quite worked IMO. When I refer to horrible picks, I'm mostly talking about people shoehorning in superstars just because they can. I would much rather see people find a counterpart player who was not quite as good as who he's replacing, but matches their style or position, than one who was just an all round excellent player. That also touches on one of the problems with picking superstars. Players like Ronaldo and VVD (both picked) are/were pretty much good at everything, so yeah they probably overlap with who they're replacing but I'm not sure they really fit the spirit of the draft.

[Trendisnotdestiny]

I think there is a couple of issues getting glossed over here also. 

1. How well does the person picking know the tactics of the manager assigned?
It’s possible to pick a player with a skill set that replaces those skills but looks different.

2. Is it a like for like selection or a clear upgrade pick?
My keeper for instance is a clear upgrade pick with not much resemblance to the original. But he’s a better keeper - his national team coach thinks so, and most around the game. Obvious upgrades are a stated part of the rules of this draft as far as I’ve understood it.

3. By fixing the teams and order of drafting, like in every draft, the opportunity cost is unknown until the end - which means some picks will be difficult to understand or justify. For example, I chose Lucio because he was a ball playing defender with similar size and ability to knock an occasional one in from time to time.  Is he the perfect match after 75 picks?  Not a chance.   I must say this happens a lot in the real world - ask Edwards - we target Brandt and get Salah.  We target one player like the Norwich kid and get Tsimikas...

Sometimes the there are good reasons for picks not lining up or reasons that extend the like for like nature. Surely this should be understood by round 5?


This game should not be about - “see if you can guess the guy I’m thinking of who should really replace X player”.   It should start with the player names and end with a well written justification for why - integrating the managers philosophy, player attributes and any deviations like an upgrade at any position.

One way to fix this is to only allow 1 or 2 upgrade picks in the side