Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[west_london_red]

Yeah, it was a property investment company offering to buy any left over doses - they said it was for their employees, but I think only the top guys would be getting it for 5k a time.

It wouldnt surprise me if it turned out there were a few unscrupulous individuals who were willing to make a bit of extra cash.

That company's "mistake" was they just apparently sent out mass mails making it absolutely clear what they were up to, so it only took one honest person to rat them out.

Oh, I assumed it was a private medical company or something like that, didn’t realised it was a bloody property investment company.

[Motty]

She’ll have the most vulnerable coming to be vaccinated there (if I’m reading it right), so it makes sense for her to be vaccinated to minimise the risk of her giving it to those vulnerable people.

I highly doubt people working in other shops are coming into contact, as regularly, with so many of the most vulnerable.

Definitely makes sense if they do end up doing vaccinations in there 100%, I just assume they will be only do that in the Doctors a few hundred yards away only.  Be great if it gets done in 2 locations in most towns villages though, the numbers will soon rack up then.

[Motty]

And the 'microparticles'...and the unborn baby fetus cells...

Can everyone hurry up and get vaccinated and be healthy so that people that say this shit get publically named and shamed?

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[gemofabird]

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https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

[Millie]

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

and your point is?

[PaulF]

Any idea how many people we need to vaccinate before we get good info on the impact on transmission?

[Jiminy Cricket]

and your point is?

No worries. If it is shown later (as it probably will be) that there is no connection between the vaccinations and deaths, I am certain that gemofabird will be back to post a retraction and apology. I see it all the time on social media by people like Ivor Cummins. They are deeply self-reflective types.

[Musketeer Gripweed]

Well, my dad doesn't look or feel that great after his vaccine yesterday. He's 96 in 3 months. I would be more worried if he was OK today to be honest.

He's a tough old bird and a fucking legend.

[west_london_red]

If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

[classycarra]

If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

As with reports that came out during the vaccine clinical trials, of trials being paused to investigate someone being taken ill, it's vital people keep calm and recognise that this is a routine process to collect data.

No assumptions should be made based on this Norway signal. Indeed the Medical lead investigating this in Norway cautioned people not to worry or over extrapolate: "We are not alarmed or worried about this, because these are very rare occurrences"

[Motty]

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

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[didi shamone]

If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

People died after the vaccine and they're looking into whether it may have contributed.
 It doesn't state how long after but does mention they were very old and frail. It could be from minor side effects or even natural causes. Maybe they're just being uber cautious which is fine.
It makes for a sensational headline but when you flesh it out it's  not  that concerning.

And as you point out no-one else is reporting a problem so I suspect natural causes.

[Zeb]

Paper is out now:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.13.21249642v1

Interesting one here just out from Qatar too. Followed over 43k people who had a positive test for up to 35 weeks. They confirmed 129 reinfections and estimated the reinfection rate at 0.1%

Their conclusions: “ Reinfection is rare. Natural infection appears to elicit strong protection against reinfection with an efficacy >90% for at least seven months”

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.15.21249731v1

Ta dj. The discussion part of the paper is interesting context to the caution over reinfection. Seems optimistic about the question around vaccination also preventing transmission if it holds up as they seem to be thinking it will do.

[djahern]

Ta dj. The discussion part of the paper is interesting context to the caution over reinfection. Seems optimistic about the question around vaccination also preventing transmission if it holds up as they seem to be thinking it will do.

Yea was interesting to see that they plan to follow this cohort of people to determine the effect of vaccines. Wonder how they’ll do that going forward, you’d assume all are at the top of the list for priority vaccination. I wonder if some will not take the vaccine, I can’t see how they can do it otherwise. Unless they plan to see if vaccination prevents the small amount of reinfections they’ve seen from happening over the next period of time. I guess that’s a possibility.

[CraigDS]

Yea was interesting to see that they plan to follow this cohort of people to determine the effect of vaccines. Wonder how they’ll do that going forward, you’d assume all are at the top of the list for priority vaccination. I wonder if some will not take the vaccine, I can’t see how they can do it otherwise. Unless they plan to see if vaccination prevents the small amount of reinfections they’ve seen from happening over the next period of time. I guess that’s a possibility.

You’d imagine they need to give half a vaccine and half a placebo.

I’d say they’d need to get them to agree to it, but its Qatar and I’d assume they’ll have fuck all problem with that...!

[Wabaloolah]

I was about to make exactly the same point.

I had to come back on the train yesterday and was surprised by there being people on the train with no face masks on them, even though its compulsory on Mersey Rail supposedly.

I once got told off for having my foot on the frame of the seat on one of their trains by an inspector, I didn't do it again, surely they have these people on the trains still if not why not?

[CraigDS]

I once got told off for having my foot on the frame of the seat on one of their trains by an inspector, I didn't do it again, surely they have these people on the trains still if not why not?

I bet you’re a mask wearer though, yeah?

As am I, and I’ve also been done on a train for my feet on the frame of a seat. I moved my foot instantly.

A mask non-wearer isn’t a compliant person though. They are the sort if they’re questioned for their foot on the seat they argue, and will keep on arguing. They’re obnoxious pricks.

[Wabaloolah]

My daughters friend who is 18 and works one day a week in the local chemist has had the job when there are loads of elderly and vulnerable waiting for one. Are chemist staff classed as front line now? Don't think it was a had some left over scenario.

my missus mate works in a doctors surgery on reception and they've  all been vaccinated

[Wabaloolah]

I bet you’re a mask wearer though, yeah?

As am I, and I’ve also been done on a train for my feet on the frame of a seat. I moved my foot instantly.

A mask non-wearer isn’t a compliant person though. They are the sort if they’re questioned for their foot on the seat they argue, and will keep on arguing. They’re obnoxious pricks.

yep always wear a mask, started wearing it before they made it mandatory, I don't see what the issue with wearing one is unless as you say you are an obnoxious prick!

[BarryCrocker]

yep always wear a mask, started wearing it before they made it mandatory, I don't see what the issue with wearing one is unless as you say you are an obnoxious prick!

I've worked out I'm 60% more handsome when I'm wearing my mask. 

In all honesty I've always struggled to work out should I be looking at someone's mouth or they eyes when they are speaking. This whole masking wearing caper has sorted me out.

[Linudden]

If the vaccine is responsible for those deaths in Norway, why have we not seen the same happening here or in the US, both of which have used the vaccine on hundreds of thousands if not millions of over 80’s.

What I can think of is Norway's low general death rate which means more vulnerable people who passed away in other countries towards the end of the year made it past 2020 than elsewhere.

I dived deep into the official government statistics for total deaths in the Norwegian language yesterday evening and what I found was that Norway had about 40 k deaths in total in every year between 2017-2020. Therefore, statistically, the number of people in Norwegian care homes who can't deal with any treatment should be higher than elsewhere. This of course assuming there is a correlation between the vaccination and what happened to them, but it is very important to stress that this hasn't been confirmed yet.

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Shout out to Ice Cube 

[No666]

People died after the vaccine and they're looking into whether it may have contributed.
 It doesn't state how long after but does mention they were very old and frail. It could be from minor side effects or even natural causes. Maybe they're just being uber cautious which is fine.
It makes for a sensational headline but when you flesh it out it's  not  that concerning.

And as you point out no-one else is reporting a problem so I suspect natural causes.

Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

[west_london_red]

The Times reporting the government want to go down an Australian approach of forcing anyone coming into the country to stay in quarantine in a hotel to stop new variants getting in to the country while using the vaccination programme to get the numbers down within the population. Sounds sensible, but the aviation and travel industries will inevitably kick off.

[west_london_red]

Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

Assume they are administering to end of life patients to try and protect others in the care home, hospital etc a very local herd immunity?

[redbyrdz]

Any idea how many people we need to vaccinate before we get good info on the impact on transmission?

To get data about the likelihood of transmission, you'll have to have a working track and trace. You don't only need data about the vaccinated person, but also about all their contacts. And you also need to have a low transmission ratenin the first place, otherwise there are too many possibilities of transmissive contacts.

The other approach would possibly be the 'big picture' ('big data') approach, where you compare r-rates between a group of mostly vaccinated people and mostly un-vaccinated people. But with all the different levels of social restrictions in place, I'm not sure if they could find two comperable groups. And also, the rate of transmission in the vaccinated group would likely be very small, so it would take a long time to get that data.

What they have done in the recent studies is tested if someone who has been vaccinated can still carry enough virus particles in their upper airways to be infectious (while not getting ill themselves), and they a found a few people that had that. However I think here is where the general amount of cases comes into it - if there are less infectious people, the virus load is lower, and less people will carry it around with them, which means less infectious people, and so on...

[killer-heels]

The Times reporting the government want to go down an Australian approach of forcing anyone coming into the country to stay in quarantine in a hotel to stop new variants getting in to the country while using the vaccination programme to get the numbers down within the population. Sounds sensible, but the aviation and travel industries will inevitably kick off.

Just the 6 months too late. As usual.

[redbyrdz]

Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

I don't think the side-effects are that bad that you wouldn't vaccinate someone because of them. They will also vaccinate them to not only protect other patients, but also the staff, and potentially visiting family members. Also having a lower chance of infection will keep someone out of the covid wards, and potentially in a lower- hazard environment, ie there is less ppe needed for their care.

[Red-Soldier]

Why end-of-life patients are being administered the vaccine is beyond me. The side-effects on top of the pain and/or confusion is just adding to suffering. The urge to use everything in the arsenal to prolong life, before assessing quality of life, seems common practice.

One of the last taboos in our society.

Death is part of the natural cycle of life.  We are obsessed with prolonging life for as long as possible, no matter what.

[TepidT2O]

I’d imagine that these people are in hospitals or care homes.  You want to try to stop the diesel spreading there above all places.

[moondog]

my missus mate works in a doctors surgery on reception and they've  all been vaccinated

My mother in law is a retired doctors receptionist and was called for her vaccination as soon as the surgery received them . Not what you know but who you know as always. Tbf she is nearly 80.

[west_london_red]

Just the 6 months too late. As usual.

They probably just realised we live on an island.

[Fordy]

They probably just realised we live on an island.

Shouldn't laugh but that was funny.

[Fordy]

So it will be back to the tier system in more than likely in March at some point.

[No666]

I don't think the side-effects are that bad that you wouldn't vaccinate someone because of them. They will also vaccinate them to not only protect other patients, but also the staff, and potentially visiting family members. Also having a lower chance of infection will keep someone out of the covid wards, and potentially in a lower- hazard environment, ie there is less ppe needed for their care.

If they are anything like the side effects I had on the trial, they are not pleasant. And I'd buy the protection theory if it didn't take 21-8 days to kick in and with no known proof it affects transmission.
Sorry - you can all probably tell there's a reserve of emotion behind this - seeing my father with late stage dementia being aggressively pumped full of antibiotics for what was, in fact, aspiration pneumonia, has made me sensitive about this.

[west_london_red]

My mother in law is a retired doctors receptionist and was called for her vaccination as soon as the surgery received them . Not what you know but who you know as always. Tbf she is nearly 80.

As long as 99% are going to the right place based on guidelines, and no ones profiting I don’t think it’s a huge deal. There’s always going to be a bit of ‘leakage’, that’s just (human) nature.

[west_london_red]

So it will be back to the tier system in more than likely in March at some point.

At some stage we will have to, just hope it’s done with caution in mind and lessons have been learned. The government has consistently been to slow to start measures and too fast to lift them so I really hope they have learned. An extra week of lockdown just to nail cases as low as they can could save us weeks of lockdown further down the line should another one be needed later.

[Hedley Lamarr]

At some stage we will have to, just hope it’s done with caution in mind and lessons have been learned. The government has consistently been to slow to start measures and too fast to lift them so I really hope they have learned. An extra week of lockdown just to nail cases as low as they can could save us weeks of lockdown further down the line should another one be needed later.

I agree with this, I'd rather an extra two or three weeks even if that takes us up to the end of April/early May.  Try and finally get some sort of control over it.

[killer-heels]

Makes me laugh how some stores are still saying that they wont ban people who dont wear a mask. They have the right to refuse service to anyone if they deem them to be a threat to their staff and others. The obsession with not losing a single persons custom is mindblowing.

[classycarra]

One of the last taboos in our society.

Death is part of the natural cycle of life.  We are obsessed with prolonging life for as long as possible, no matter what.

Speak to clinicians. They'll tell you your last sentence, particularly 'no matter what', is wrong.

[Red-Soldier]

Speak to clinicians. They'll tell you your last sentence, particularly 'no matter what', is wrong.

I'm talking about a generalisation in society, not specifically the medical profession.

I have known people who want to die, due to their conditions, yet they have not been allowed to.  One eventually took an overdose.

I guess that's why some people travel to Switzerland.