Topic: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)

[SuperMilan]

Fuck off Ferguson you complete and utter twat.

[El_Pistolero]

This whole affair stinks of Ferguson, the Gobshite will do anything to halt our progress, anything.

Aye.

It's like someone's just spilt a bottle of Whiskey over all the paperwork.

[rodderzzz]

Can anyone list the 3 names that were this "independent" panel used by the FA?

Denis Smith, ex wrexham manager was one of them. cant remember the other two

[jpr]

Fergie should be sued for defamation. If the he has actually used the word "racially abused", then he should be worried!

[Lush is the best medicine...]

When it comes down to it, what did everyone expect Mr Alex Ferguson to say?  He's bound to come out and defend Evra just as Kenny has Luis.

We'll see whose right when the paper work is viewed and the appeal goes through, but it wouldn't surprise me if Mr Alex Ferguson hasn't seen it already

the funny thing is that his statements appear to rule out any criminal action, which is quite interesting really

[Stretch Armstrong]

If I hear another ex-footballer qualify their opinion (despite having no idea what the evidence was) with take me as an expert on world culture and racism because I am an ex-football I'll bruise my head with face palm.  Being an ex-footballer generally means you're clueless not an expert.

[Macphisto80]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2078170/The-picture-shows-caring-John-Terry-poses-Hamleys-black-baby.html


HAHAHA. ffs...  this is so emberrasing, Suarez is labled as a rasist in the media, while terry as a hero and saint. There is evidence against Terry.. while there is none for suarez.

[AllyouneedisRush]

My latest media outrage: on Soccernet.com, all Suarez-related articles have comments enabled and are filled with absolute dickheads. No Terry-related articles even have comments enabled.

Probably because that is a legal case...

[TravisBickle]

"The media is the most powerful entity on Earth. They can make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent" - Malcolm X.

 Very apt.

[Sevo]

No, i'm from Bootle and support Liverpool but just believe we should take our rose tinted specs off and form our own opinions.

It's natural for us to want to defend one of our own, but I think we're doing more harm than good in this instance.

I'm from Bootle and I want to correct what I perceive as a miscarriage of justice. Luis plays for us which only makes my desire for justice even stronger.

[Ziggy09]

You make a good point about the media's hunting of Benitez. A foreign manager at a big club has to pander to the media to a certain extent but a British manager will never be scrutinised  in the same way. Steve Kean is having a hard time of it and seems to somehow be escaping criticism for his flaws. A foreign manager may not be afforded the same generosity, even one as gifted as Rafa. These very same journalists are the one proclaiming that racism needs to be stamped out of the game when they clearly have their own 'agenda's' towards foreign coaches in general

Very true....totally agree with this.

And while we are talking about Rafa, after what that twat Gordon Taylor said today...how come he didnt step up and back Rafa when he was subjected to the taunts of "Fat Spanish waiter" for at least 5 of the years he managed us?

I know, hes a players rep, but he still has a sizeable voice in English football and he seems to not tolerate anyone mentioned anything about nationality, so how come he didnt speak up publicly and tell fans to shut it or ask the FA to take action against the 30,000 plus fools who chanted this at Rafa every away match?

Just shows what a self serving hypocrite he really is. Hes seen a bandwagon he can jump on, to make himself look necessary and important....fuck that he has to screw over one of the people who pay his wages to do it!

[Lenin.]

No, i'm from Bootle and support Liverpool but just believe we should take our rose tinted specs off and form our own opinions.

It's natural for us to want to defend one of our own, but I think we're doing more harm than good in this instance.

What are you basing your opinions on?

[SportBilly]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/23/alex-ferguson-luis-suarez-ban

Whiskey nose gets his two cents in.

"Our support of Patrice was obvious right from the word go and that's still the same. The matter is over and I think we're satisfied that they [the FA's independent commission] found the right decision. This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situation where one person was racially abused."

Yes it was. And the person who was allegedly abused got the punishment. 

[Lord Roger Hunt]

My latest media outrage: on Soccernet.com, all Suarez-related articles have comments enabled and are filled with absolute dickheads. No Terry-related articles even have comments enabled.

That's because it's sub-judice, as he's been charged with a criminal offence. They can't discuss it other than state the facts e.g. his name and the details of the charge - that's it , otherwise you (or more likely the website owners) could be found to be in Contempt of Court. 

[Hymer Red]

No, i'm from Bootle and support Liverpool but just believe we should take our rose tinted specs off and form our own opinions.

It's natural for us to want to defend one of our own, but I think we're doing more harm than good in this instance.

OK worst case scenario : Suarez is a dirty racist bastard that did everything he could to wind up Evra and called him names 10 times over the course of the match and was really pleased with himself that nobody heard or saw a thing. By the way not even Evra or the FA beleive that according to the FA statement. So why didnt Suarez simply say nope I said nothing at the enquiry and the case would have been dropped due to lack of evidence?

I'll have a stab at why. Maybe its because he didnt say any of those things hes being vilified for and thought after being called a bad word in Spanish that "the little shit" (my words) Evra was up for some banter.  Surprised that the little shit couldnt take it after dishing it out (like most little shits) he told the truth at the hearing and is now being hung out to dry for his honesty. Something that pisses off royally his team mates his club and the fans, although if you are a Liverpool fan it must be apart from the really thick ones!

[sideshowme]

Did an Arsenal fan ban United defender Evra?
The Football Association is refusing to comment on claims the official responsible for handing Manchester United defender Patrice Evra a four-game ban is an Arsenal season-ticket holder.
Evra was suspended by an independent four-man panel which investigated his on-pitch scuffle with Chelsea groundstaff following United's trip to Stamford Bridge last May.
The panel was chaired by Nicholas Stewart QC, a regular visitor to Arsenal's Emirates Stadium, a revelation that has reportedly infuriated Mr. Ferguson.
The Daily Mail claims the United boss was so angry he wanted to voice his displeasure in his programme notes for Sunday's rematch with Chelsea - the game in which Evra made his comeback - but was persuaded to keep quiet by United chief executive David Gill.
The integrity of Stewart, a specialist in sports law, is not in question but Ferguson, and Gill, are said to be angry the FA felt comfortable leaving the fate of their player in the hands of a known fan of one of their biggest rivals.
The FA, United, and Patrick Stewart have refused to comment.

[DoogyRev]

Probably because that is a legal case...

true. on any phone-in discussing racial abuse issue you'll here the presenter stop anyone referring to terry vs ferdinand because its gone legal.

[Slinky]

For fucks sake Alex Ferguson had nothing to do with an FA panel finding Suarez guilty. Those in this thread who are blaming it on some sort of conspiracy masterminded by ferguson are just making themselves  look like idiots.

[smicer07]

For fucks sake Alex Ferguson had nothing to do with an FA panel finding Suarez guilty. Those in this thread who are blaming it on some sort of conspiracy masterminded by ferguson are just making themselves  look like idiots.

Is anyone really saying he had anything to do with it though? I don't see it. Most people are just rightly calling him a c*nt.

[Dr Stop]

Is anyone really saying he had anything to do with it though? I don't see it. Most people are just rightly calling him a c*nt.

The man's a c*nt for sure, but I don't think he's been that controversial or outspoken in this instance. He's basically just supported his player and accepted the verdict of the independent tribunal.

I thought he would start coming out with all the 'it'll be tricky for the boy to carry on in this country now, there's no doubt about that' kind of nonsense.

[Hymer Red]

For fucks sake Alex Ferguson had nothing to do with an FA panel finding Suarez guilty. Those in this thread who are blaming it on some sort of conspiracy masterminded by ferguson are just making themselves  look like idiots.

The way I heard it mate was Evra didnt bother reporting it to any match officials during the game then told a TV station at the end of the game and then told Bacon Face when he got to the dressing room. Bacon Face then took him to see the referee to complain. Its hard to think these charges were not masterminded by Bacon Face in light of that no?

[CHOPPER]

Is anyone really saying he had anything to do with it though? I don't see it. Most people are just rightly calling him a c*nt.

Perhaps we should just have a 'Alex Ferguson is a massive c*nt' thread. It would save on all the pointless posts that have nothing to do with the Suarez fiasco.

[blert596]

The way I heard it mate was Evra didnt bother reporting it to any match officials during the game then told a TV station at the end of the game and then told Bacon Face when he got to the dressing room. Bacon Face then took him to see the referee to complain. Its hard to think these charges were not masterminded by Bacon Face in light of that no?

Why do you think he's "masterminded" anything? If Evra's gone to him with a complaint (no matter who Evras told previously) then he's quite right to make him go to the ref with it.

[Lenin.]

The man's a c*nt for sure, but I don't think he's been that controversial or outspoken in this instance. He's basically just supported his player and accepted the verdict of the independent tribunal.

I thought he would start coming out with all the 'it'll be tricky for the boy to carry on in this country now, there's no doubt about that' kind of nonsense.

He's not going to fucking disagree with it is he!
(Unlike when Evra was banned)

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

He's not going to fucking disagree with it is he!
(Unlike when Evra was banned)

Correct

Saw a massive opportunity.

[Dr Stop]

He's not going to fucking disagree with it is he!
(Unlike when Evra was banned)

He could have said he thought it too lenient a sentence for someone convicted of racial abuse, or something like that. You never really know with him do you...

[telekon]

"The media is the most powerful entity on Earth. They can make the innocent guilty and the guilty innocent" - Malcolm X.

 Very apt.

[Lenin.]

He could have said he thought it too lenient a sentence for someone convicted of racial abuse, or something like that. You never really know with him do you...

No one has been convicted of racial abuse though have they?

[SuperMilan]

A question for everyone, Are the top people behind talksport driving a anti hate campaine against liverpool football club?

[robblac1]

Dont know if this has been posted but it makes a good point


http://www.twitlonger.com/show/esnrrj

"If a "diving, cannibalistic" Uruguayan was facing criminal prosecution for calling an English footballer a "black c--t". Now imagine reading this:

(Express): "Now Luis Suarez makes a real point"

(Guardian): "Luis Suarez departed the turf here bare-chested and with a trademark salute to the travelling support, his evening transformed from a shaky start into a familiar show of strength"

.................. "

This really sums it up for me....I have read the media from top to bottom since the charge agaisnt Luis and now Terry, and the difference in the overall tone is f@#king amazing. In Luis's case we have most (not all thank god) of the media hanging him out to dry character wise, and with Terry, its mostly about defiance, spirit, leadership and such bollocks.....
If that don't tell you the really story here, then nothing will.
The FA, media, and wider British establishment.....doing their way again, and two fingers to any other "Jonnie foreigner" and their  maybe differing cultural ways (Gordon Taylor's recent quotes highlight this so well, but he ain't even clever enough to hide it very well)........very subtly racist, protecting their status quo.....

We have a massive fight on our hands.........not just against the three white, fat, FA establishment types who chaired the panel, we are taking them all on.....(with a few notable exceptions, thank f#@K)
YNWA

[CHOPPER]

No one has been convicted of racial abuse though have they?

That depends on which paper you read am guessing.

[Hymer Red]

Why do you think he's "masterminded" anything? If Evra's gone to him with a complaint (no matter who Evras told previously) then he's quite right to make him go to the ref with it.

Yes he is quite within his rights to take Evra to the ref thats not the question here. The question is whether Bacon Face would see this as a great way to hit out at LFC and Kenny and going off his past record you have to think yes of course he would. I will wager he couldnt get Evra to ref quick enough. Looking back perhaps "masterminded" is giving him too much credit as I am not saying he had any other input to the panels decision but you can guarantee he will be loving the shitstorm coming our way right now.

[Sudden Death Draft Loser]

He could have said he thought it too lenient a sentence for someone convicted of racial abuse, or something like that. You never really know with him do you...

But he didn't

Mr. Ferguson says Luis Suárez ban was 'right decision'

• United coach indicates Liverpool should accept ban
• Kenny Dalglish concerned about crowd reaction to Suárez

       

    Daniel Taylor and Andy Hunter
    guardian.co.uk, Friday 23 December 2011 22.29 GMT
    Article history

Mr. Ferguson Manchester United
Mr. Ferguson says Manchester United were 'astounded' by Patrice Evra's four-match ban in 2008 for an incident with a Chelsea groundsman but had accepted it. Photograph: Laurent Gillieron/EPA

Mr. Ferguson has broken his silence on the Luis Suárez affair, describing the Liverpool striker's eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra as "the right decision" and indicating that the Anfield club should accept the guilty verdict.

Liverpool's vigorous defence of the Uruguayan, including the controversial decision to warm up for their game at Wigan in Suárez T-shirts, has led to widespread criticism throughout the game. Ferguson was not willing to talk about Liverpool's protest statement, in which they described Evra as "not reliable" and called on the Football Association to issue a separate charge against the Manchester United defender, but he made clear that the Premier League champions felt vindicated.

"Our support of Patrice was obvious right from the word go and that's still the same. The matter is over and I think we're satisfied that they [the FA's independent commission] found the right decision. This wasn't about Manchester United and Liverpool at all. It was nothing to do with that. This was an individual situation where one person was racially abused."

Liverpool maintain that was not the case, despite Suárez reportedly admitting using the word "negro", and are now waiting for the commission chairman, Paul Goulding QC, to deliver his full written findings before deciding whether to lodge an appeal.

That risks an even longer ban and Ferguson drew a parallel with the way United reacted when Evra was banned for four matches in 2008 for becoming embroiled in a post-match fight with Sam Bethell, a Chelsea groundsman. The club, he pointed out, had accepted the verdict.

"Patrice got that suspension for the incident down at Chelsea when no one was there, just a groundsman and our fitness coach. He got a four-match ban and we had to wait two weeks for the evidence to come through. We were quite astounded at that. A four-match ban? We thought it was well over the top for a trivial incident. But it happened and there's nothing you can do about it, you know."

The insinuation was that Liverpool should accept Suárez's guilt but there is no sign of that from Anfield, with Kenny Dalglish maintaining he had no regrets over the T-shirt protest and aggressive wording of their statement.

"The club have issued a statement and the players have made their statement both visually and verbally," said Dalglish. "The statement couldn't have caused anybody any trouble. I don't think the players have caused any trouble with the FA either with their statement or by their support with the T-shirts. If we are not in any trouble, we will just leave it at that before we do get into any trouble."

Dalglish said "it might be weeks" before the commission's findings are made public and believes the verdict and the reasons for it should have been released simultaneously. In the vacuum, the Liverpool manager fears opposition crowds will declare open season on Suárez, as was the case at the DW Stadium on Wednesday.

He said: "I wouldn't think it is helpful to anybody that it [the verdict] is done before we have seen the written documents. If that's the way they have always done it then we cannot complain. I wouldn't know because I have never been involved in anything like this before.

"They [the Football Association] run the game; we don't, do we? Whether you agree with it is another matter. In another walk of life, they would have walked away and waited until they had it ready. But this is what happened. I think where they have to be more supportive is the reaction from people – and the antagonism of the crowds – towards Luis. That is the great problem."

The Liverpool manager believes the fallout from the complex case will be far-reaching for the FA. "It would be helpful to everyone if someone gave us some guidelines about what you can and cannot say," he argued. Yet despite his concerns over the hostility towards Suárez, who is also facing an improper conduct charge for allegedly making an offensive gesture towards Fulham supporters at Craven Cottage on 5 December, Dalglish is adamant the 24-year-old can handle the scrutiny.

"Obviously he would be better off without it, but he is a strong enough character and he has handled it very well up to now so I wouldn't expect him to show anything other than total strength. If Luis is fit and well, he will be considered for the matches until such time that he is under sanction."

Ferguson is clearly unimpressed with the lengths to which Liverpool have gone, including Dalglish's decision to wear a Suaárez T-shirt during a television interview on Wednesday. "I don't need to talk about it," he said, before adding pointedly: "I'm happy with how I run my club."

The United manager was asked whether he fears it will worsen the rivalry between the two clubs. "This is the biggest derby game in the country," he replied. "It's never needed anything to light the powder keg; it's always there."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/23/alex-ferguson-luis-suarez-ban?newsfeed=true

[Dr Stop]

No one has been convicted of racial abuse though have they?

Fine, he could have said '...too lenient for someone convicted of insulting someone by referring to their colour' then.

[Lenin.]

Fine, he could have said '...too lenient for someone convicted of insulting someone by referring to their colour' then.

Oh, sorry, I suppose we should be thankful that Lord Bacon Face didn't demand more than the maximum punishment possible. What would you suggest, deportation?

[horne]

cant half spot the mancs on here cant yer

[24/7]

cant half spot the mancs on here cant yer

It's getting harder to do so......

[Uruguayan36]

Spitting in South America IS common.

If you're a fucking llama.

If a person spit somebody in southamerica is going to be a big trouble...

[Bouncer]

This really sums it up for me....I have read the media from top to bottom since the charge agaisnt Luis and now Terry, and the difference in the overall tone is f@#king amazing. In Luis's case we have most (not all thank god) of the media hanging him out to dry character wise, and with Terry, its mostly about defiance, spirit, leadership and such bollocks.....
If that don't tell you the really story here, then nothing will.
The FA, media, and wider British establishment.....doing their way again, and two fingers to any other "Jonnie foreigner" and their  maybe differing cultural ways (Gordon Taylor's recent quotes highlight this so well, but he ain't even clever enough to hide it very well)........very subtly racist, protecting their status quo.....

We have a massive fight on our hands.........not just against the three white, fat, FA establishment types who chaired the panel, we are taking them all on.....(with a few notable exceptions, thank f#@K)
YNWA

I'm up for that ... We all should be ...

[horne]

It's getting harder to do so......

the post count gives them away....bear in mind the fiasco with gillette and hicks and the battles going on with the court cases etc....i ask yer...if they were proper reds,they would have been in there clocking up the post count wouldnt they...where were they then?...
all the posters going against the grain here seem to be below the 1000 mark says it all