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[Jm55]

Firstly, the comment was directed at people with "anti-vax" thinking. It had nothing to do with block booking vaccine appointments. The analogy is absolutely abhorrent and dangerous. He was demonising and dehumanising a group of people who for whatever reason have made the personal choice not to get a medical treatment, by comparing them to ISIS. You do this by comparing them to cold blooded barbarians who behead people. It's a disgusting comparison and trivialises the actions of ISIS and all their victims.

I think those advocating Anti-vax thinking and especially those who are actively taking direct action to such as filling spaces to get jabbed only to not do are no better than ISIS.

That’s the quote ‘especially those who are actively taking direct action….’

You can ignore the second bit of the sentence and focus on the first of you want to but clearly it does have something to do with those people block booking vaccination slots as it directly references it.

I don’t think anyone is (intentionally) trivialising the actions of terror factions or their victims, people have just had enough of moronic, factless bullshit under the guise of ‘pro-choice’, it reeks of the anti-abortion stuff which we’ve seen in the past and the reality is those who campaign the most vehemently for pro-choice are the ones who really want the population to have as little choice as possible.

[El Lobo]

Mate, vaccinated people are spreading this all over the place as well. The science proves this. If anything, it was brought to the West by the vaccinated who are able to travel freely. The variant developed in a part of the world where vaccine supplies are low because wealthy countries hoard vaccine supplies and not because of "anti vax thinking" as you put it.

Sure they are. But that's a bit like having a go at someone for walking human shit through a corridor when some fucking lunatic has purposely shit his pants and then thrown said shit onto the first guy.

[tubby]

But that's a bit like having a go at someone for walking human shit through a corridor when some fucking lunatic has purposely shit his pants and then thrown said shit onto the first guy.

That sounds like a few of the threads on RAWK.

[LFC when it suits]

That’s the quote ‘especially those who are actively taking direct action….’

You can ignore the second bit of the sentence and focus on the first of you want to but clearly it does have something to do with those people block booking vaccination slots as it directly references it.

I don’t think anyone is (intentionally) trivialising the actions of terror factions or their victims, people have just had enough of moronic, factless bullshit under the guise of ‘pro-choice’, it reeks of the anti-abortion stuff which we’ve seen in the past and the reality is those who campaign the most vehemently for pro-choice are the ones who really want the population to have as little choice as possible.

My mistake. I don't know how I missed that second part. That makes it a little less abhorrent.

[TSC]

Mate, vaccinated people are spreading this all over the place as well. The science proves this. If anything, it was brought to the West by the vaccinated who are able to travel freely. The variant developed in a part of the world where vaccine supplies are low because wealthy countries hoard vaccine supplies and not because of "anti vax thinking" as you put it.

Nonsense

[LFC when it suits]

Sure they are. But that's a bit like having a go at someone for walking human shit through a corridor when some fucking lunatic has purposely shit his pants and then thrown said shit onto the first guy.

That's a poor analogy though. No unvaccinated person purposely spreads the virus. The thing is that this variant highly transmissible and developed in parts of the world where the people are unvaccinated not by choice, but rather because vaccine supplies are low.

Rich countries need to stop hoarding vaccine supplies.

[Commie Bobbie]

That’s the quote ‘especially those who are actively taking direct action….’

You can ignore the second bit of the sentence and focus on the first of you want to but clearly it does have something to do with those people block booking vaccination slots as it directly references it.

I don’t think anyone is (intentionally) trivialising the actions of terror factions or their victims, people have just had enough of moronic, factless bullshit under the guise of ‘pro-choice’, it reeks of the anti-abortion stuff which we’ve seen in the past and the reality is those who campaign the most vehemently for pro-choice are the ones who really want the population to have as little choice as possible.

The anti-abortion cranks comparison is admittedly a better comparison - but still the ultimate result is that people will die because of such selfish actions.

Rich countries need to stop hoarding vaccine supplies.

One thing we can agree on. Capitalism eh.

[El Lobo]

That's a poor analogy though. No unvaccinated person purposely spreads the virus. This thing is that this is variant highly transmissible and developed in parts of the world where the people are unvaccinated not by choice, but rather because vaccine supplies are low.

Rich countries need to stop hoarding vaccine supplies.

They dont no. What they do is either completely ignore the experts saying 'you need to be vaccinated to limit the spread and protect people' or they see experts saying 'you need to be vaccinated to limit the spread and protect people' and think they know better. Either way is thick, selfish and particularly dangerous.

[LFC when it suits]

Nonsense

Are you saying that the vaccinated can't spread the virus as well?

[Wabaloolah]

Firstly, the comment was directed at people with "anti-vax" thinking. It had nothing to do with block booking vaccine appointments. The analogy is absolutely abhorrent and dangerous. He was demonising and dehumanising a group of people who for whatever reason have made the personal choice not to get a medical treatment, by comparing them to ISIS. You do this by comparing them to cold blooded barbarians who behead people. It's a disgusting comparison and trivialises the actions of ISIS and all their victims.

So you think there is nothing wrong with Piers Corbyn telling his rabble to go out and burn the offices of MPs to the ground then.

I guess you were also OK with Trump inciting a riot at the Capitol in January. What about the hook handed preacher now in jail in the US, Abul Hamza isn't he.

Both inciting crowds to do their bidding, they are scum each and every one of them and their followers are as bad

[LFC when it suits]

So you think there is nothing wrong with Piers Corbyn telling his rabble to go out and burn the offices of MPs to the ground then.

Where did I say that. Inciting to violence is obviously a crime and unacceptable. Something definitely also needs to be done about the people deliberately block booking to prevent people who want to get vaccinated.

[Jm55]

My mistake. I don't know how I missed that second part. That makes it a little less abhorrent.

I don’t want to speak on behalf of anyone here but the idea of comparing some of the stuff that we’ve seen over a this pandemic with the actions of terror groups isn’t anything particularly new and isn’t as baseless as it might seem.

Off the top of my head:

- People block booking vaccinations
- Piers Corbin arrested for inciting arson
- Kate Shemerani comparing NHS staff to Nazis

There’s tonnes more but I’m making my point I think, it’s not a million miles away is it when you’re delivering that message either via Twitter to millions or standing on a stage doing it with a mass of people watching. Of course it’s nothing like the same as the absolute worst we’ve seen from terror factions across the world but the ethos is similar (albeit in this case they’re inciting it rather than delivering it).

[LFC when it suits]

Swerve it hijacking this thread with these useless discussions that almost always end up with no resolution. Sure there’s another thread where having or not having the vaccine can be discussed.

You are right. Apologies. Not going to engage in it anymore. Will save this energy for recovering from COVID.

[El Lobo]

Are you saying that the vaccinated can't spread the virus as well?

Honestly, what the fuck is the point you think you're making?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2294250-how-much-less-likely-are-you-to-spread-covid-19-if-youre-vaccinated/

A recent study found that vaccinated people infected with the delta variant are 63 per cent less likely to infect people who are unvaccinated.

This is only slightly lower than with the alpha variant, says Brechje de Gier at the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment in the Netherlands, who led the study. Her team had previously found that vaccinated people infected with alpha were 73 per cent less likely to infect unvaccinated people.

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De Gier says they cannot calculate the full reduction in transmission due to vaccination, because they don’t know exactly how much vaccination reduces the risk of infection. But even assuming vaccination only halves the risk of infection, this would still imply that vaccines reduce transmission by more than 80 per cent overall.

Yes. Very good, vaccinated people can spread it too. In far, far lower numbers and at far lower risk to themselves and others who have been vaccinated. Its not rocket science, its not brain surgery. If 100% of the global population were fully vaccinated we'd be nowhere near the numbers we're seeing everywhere at the moment in terms of cases, deaths, hospitalisations, whatever. Trivialising the conversation with such uneducated nonsense is pretty scary.

[Snail]

When do you leave to start the new job?

End of January, I am counting the days.

[Linudden]

So why haven't you had it? Do you wear masks?

If you read Wabaloobah's post you'll get a rundown on why I'm not vaccinated against covid and why I don't wear masks. He summed it up well to be honest although in a hilarious hyperbolic way I take as much steps as possible to not get covid, period, until there's a really harmless variant going around. Hopefully that is just around the corner. Even so, even during peak waves it's unlikely more than 0.3 % of people have it in the country at once so unless you deliberately seek out social gatherings or go on public transport you have a great chance at not catching it.

I support everyone who wants the vaccine to take it though and I definitely disagree with any attempts at stopping the vaccination program. My body and my choice go both ways for me unlike the stereotype that you were talking about.

[reddebs]

I've just had a close contact  notification from last Friday the 17th which is telling me I don't need to isolate but to book a PCR test?

I've got no symptoms, done two LFTs and a PCR since then and all were negative but I've also had both granddaughters and my sister staying since weekend.

Wtf am I meant to do as it'll be Xmas Eve before I can get one as I'm driving back to Yorkshire tomorrow to take one granddaughter home and got a client booked in whilst I'm there 😔🙄

[scouseman]

I have felt really rough the last few days. Today marks a week since our booster. and the last time I have left the house. Slept like a log all day yesterday, My issue is where the hell is all this green mucus cough/runny mucus from the nose coming from? My sides hurt a bit from all the mucus coughing.  Its like a lake. At least today I have managed to get up and am sitting at the computer. My pharmacist said to take paracetamol and lay low for a few more days. Cannot get though to my GP as he is hiding is his covid bunker. They just refer you to 119 and don't seem willing to help at all my GP I mean. I feel a little btter overall I guess.

[PaulF]

End of January, I am counting the days.

So we can add unrealistic notice period to your employers' sins

[Wabaloolah]

I've just had a close contact  notification from last Friday the 17th which is telling me I don't need to isolate but to book a PCR test?

I've got no symptoms, done two LFTs and a PCR since then and all were negative but I've also had both granddaughters and my sister staying since weekend.

Wtf am I meant to do as it'll be Xmas Eve before I can get one as I'm driving back to Yorkshire tomorrow to take one granddaughter home and got a client booked in whilst I'm there 😔🙄

if you've taken a PCR after the date when you came into contact, I would assume that covers you

[Commie Bobbie]

End of January, I am counting the days.

Congratulations and all that, but damn it - that's going to be a slog!

[reddebs]

if you've taken a PCR after the date when you came into contact, I would assume that covers you

Thanks mate.

[TSC]

Are you saying that the vaccinated can't spread the virus as well?

No, I responded ‘nonsense’ to the post, referring to most of the content.

To be fair the 1 point in that post I’d agree with is reference to ‘vaccine hoarding’.

[Elmo!]

That's a poor analogy though. No unvaccinated person purposely spreads the virus.

They are purposefully making themselves more likely to spread it.

[djahern]

Wondering if anyone can help me with this. So my partner and I have had a cough since last Thursday and we have both had a PCR test come back this morning as negative, as well as daily lateral flow tests come back as negative (including today, took one about half an hour ago and haven’t left the house since last Wednesday). Now that I have had a negative test result, my intention is to go and get my booster tonight, but they say to leave it 28 days after testing positive before taking the vaccine. Could it be that I did have COVID and the cough was the back-end of it so the PCR was done after I had the virus?  And if so, is it potentially dangerous for me to go and get the vaccine (as in previous infection plus COVID could make me very ill)? Or is the “don’t get it for 28 days” just to do with me potentially transmitting it to someone else, in which case I’m negative so it’s fine?

No it’s not dangerous at all. The point behind the wait is purely down to kinetics of the immune response. In response to an exposure (either vaccine or infection) antibody response ramps up quickly and then decreases and cellular immunity moves into the memory phase of the response. Ideally you want the booster after that ramp up and ramp down for most benefit, but getting it earlier doesn’t mean it doesn’t work and isn’t dangerous at all.

[UntouchableLuis]

How long does the booster actually take to have effect? Is it a week or longer?

[harryc]

How long does the booster actually take to have effect? Is it a week or longer?

1-2 weeks before peak effect.

[Lee1-6Liv]

I have felt really rough the last few days. Today marks a week since our booster. and the last time I have left the house. Slept like a log all day yesterday, My issue is where the hell is all this green mucus cough/runny mucus from the nose coming from? My sides hurt a bit from all the mucus coughing.  Its like a lake. At least today I have managed to get up and am sitting at the computer. My pharmacist said to take paracetamol and lay low for a few more days. Cannot get though to my GP as he is hiding is his covid bunker. They just refer you to 119 and don't seem willing to help at all my GP I mean. I feel a little btter overall I guess.

I have had the same. Had my moderna booster last Thursday and had cold like symptoms since, runny nose and coughing up mucus the last few days. Not too bad otherwise, did have a hot port and brandy which helped.

[UntouchableLuis]

1-2 weeks before peak effect.

Ah OK.

Shame people couldn't have got them 2 weeks ago in prep for Christmas but still grateful we can get them at all.

[Bincey]

Really interesting interview with Trevor Bedford on Omicron and his thoughts for the future.


https://www.statnews.com/2021/12/22/a-computational-biologist-weighs-in-on-omicron-the-future-of-vaccines-and-the-cdcs-variant-forecast/

[King_doggerel]

Don't let your mood down before you get the PCR results back. There is a strong cold that may have hit you, not Covid (re: Hendo). Take vitamins and zinc, if you have access to that.

And if it happens that it is Covid, your double-jab will go a long way to prevent you from going to a hospital and getting more severe symptoms (or worse). Then it would be the time to think what would have been had you not had the double-jab. Stay strong. The timing is unfortunate, but it's under no one's control. Try to make the best of it - raise virtual toasts with family and friends, talk to them, share stories... It's an experience that you will be telling about the next generations. Chin up, mate! Merry Christmas (it comes everywhere)!

That really sucks.

Wait on the result of the PCR obviously, lots of other viral infections that can give you fatigue. Have you got any other symptoms?

In the meantime order yourself a delivery of paracetamol, ibuprofen and multivitamins, or get someone to drop them round. None of them are cures but the first two can help with symptoms and the vitamins can help get your body back on track a little quicker. Don’t take more than recommended though obviously. Staying hydrated is big one, drink plenty of water.

You’ll be fine, but don’t hesitate to contact 111 if your symptoms get worse (if in UK) - they’ll have some good advice for you. Call them now if you think you should and ask for their opinion. Call them again if you have any doubts later on or are feeling worse, that’s what they are there for.

Hopefully you’ve got some wifi there so you could do some video contact if it does come back positive?

Oh, and order delivery of a box of lateral flow tests - guidance will likely change so that isolation can be 7 days rather than 10, if you are symptom free and have a negative lateral flow test on day 7 (not confirmed yet though).

thanks guys. Postiive PCR came through this morning. Thankfully i'm feeling stronger today and even had lunch. the timing is brlliiant though...

[filopastry]

106,122 cases

[The G in Gerrard]

106,122 cases reported. 140 deaths. Jeez.

[Bincey]

"301 London admissions (78% week on week increase). Still hard to judge what the right lag to take this on is, but seems like some of the case increase is working through, which isn't so good as it looked a couple of days ago. Record case numbers, but rate of increase is slowing."

https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1473685604852547601

[TSC]

106122 new cases and 140 deaths reported today.

Government advisors recommend Pfizer vaccine for 5-11 year olds.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-government-advisers-recommend-jab-for-vulnerable-five-to-11-year-olds-12502122

[rob1966]

End of January, I am counting the days.

Do you get sick pay? Personally, I'd be looking at just going on the sick during my notice period, get the GP to sign you off for anxiety do to them forcing you to go into the office while all this is going on.

[filopastry]

"301 London admissions (78% week on week increase). Still hard to judge what the right lag to take this on is, but seems like some of the case increase is working through, which isn't so good as it looked a couple of days ago. Record case numbers, but rate of increase is slowing."

https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1473685604852547601

I suppose the question on this remains is it admissions for Covid or admissions with Covid

[TepidT2O]

Omicron has peaked in London. Case numbers not as good as recently, but still better than we might have feared a couple of weeks ago

[TSC]

All devolved governments’ have now invoked further control measures, although they’re limited in the absence of required financial support from central Government .  No further measures announced for England yet.

[scouseman]

I have had the same. Had my moderna booster last Thursday and had cold like symptoms since, runny nose and coughing up mucus the last few days. Not too bad otherwise, did have a hot port and brandy which helped.

Thank your for your reassuring post mate. I am glad to know someone who is in the same situation as me. The weather is cold, this new new variant has come up with similar characteristics so its hard to know what to make of it all and not to worry about it. Maybe I should not have waited until our 6 months were up before our booster right in the middle of winter and the Christmas period.