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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3880 on: April 21, 2024, 08:58:35 pm »
Came in did his job and helped us to three points.
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3881 on: April 21, 2024, 09:00:07 pm »
Sure our 8s have a good first touch, but they are far too easy to mark.

IMO Jones, Gravenberch, Harvey and Szobo have similar problems. They have skill, but they play too cute and with too many touches and slow us down. Their off the ball work is not sufficient.
Endo is a better player at his job, and often his simple passes are much more effective.

Mac is more skilled than Endo, and importantly hes able to use it effectively.

This is why Id rather see upgrades at 8 than at 6

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3882 on: April 21, 2024, 11:10:57 pm »
I think he needed that little rest, he was looking tired to be fair, but much more refreshed today.
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3883 on: April 22, 2024, 01:23:22 pm »
I like Endo, and I hope he has a squad role with us for another season or two, but it's obvious in every game we play that he is targeted by opposition managers as a weak-link on the ball.

Watch closely and you'll notice that every time he is on the ball for more than a few seconds, he is immediately pressed, in a way that MacAllister, Szobo, Jones, Elliott aren't.

As he isnt the best on the ball, he has been caught in possession a few times in recent games, and I think the team needs a new first choice DM, who is strong on the ball, to which Endo would then take on a squad role/cup games.
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3884 on: April 22, 2024, 04:49:37 pm »
I like Endo, and I hope he has a squad role with us for another season or two, but it's obvious in every game we play that he is targeted by opposition managers as a weak-link on the ball.

Watch closely and you'll notice that every time he is on the ball for more than a few seconds, he is immediately pressed, in a way that MacAllister, Szobo, Jones, Elliott aren't.

As he isnt the best on the ball, he has been caught in possession a few times in recent games, and I think the team needs a new first choice DM, who is strong on the ball, to which Endo would then take on a squad role/cup games.

All of our 6’s have been targeted over the years. It’s a potential weak link in our system that opens up both sides of the pitch on the counter, the easiest path to the goal. Even Fabinho was susceptible. He’s not exactly known for playing with the ball at his feet.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3885 on: April 25, 2024, 12:49:25 am »
Couldn't find the Endo thread was on the 2nd page. He's gone from one of the most discussed players to no mention. Probably sums up the disappointment we all feel now with the way the season has ended after a shit month

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3886 on: April 25, 2024, 12:51:26 am »
I reckon he has taken Milner’s tag for the worst Derby sub performance by a Liverpool player in Klopp’s tenure.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3887 on: April 25, 2024, 12:57:08 am »
The irony is that our biggest problem over the last month has been the ability of the six to get the ball to the eights.
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« Reply #3888 on: April 25, 2024, 02:19:06 am »
I reckon he has taken Milner’s tag for the worst Derby sub performance by a Liverpool player in Klopp’s tenure.
Really don’t see the point of digging out individual players when the entire team breaks down. There were obviously bigger problems than Endo.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3889 on: April 27, 2024, 01:20:52 pm »
Frightening how often he gets left for dead.
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3890 on: April 27, 2024, 03:40:04 pm »
He’s a long way from being good enough for a CL team, let alone a title hunting team. Given that our frailty is in transition he’s far too slow and given how much we can struggle to build up through a press he’s far too vunerable in tight spaces and when being pressed.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3891 on: April 27, 2024, 03:41:18 pm »
He's what he is. Has surpassed expectations and he'll be a decent squad player next year.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3892 on: April 27, 2024, 03:46:44 pm »
He's what he is. Has surpassed expectations and he'll be a decent squad player next year.

In some games he’s easily surpassed expectations. Against City for example. But in others he’s been significantly below them.

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« Reply #3893 on: April 27, 2024, 03:47:59 pm »
In some games he’s easily surpassed expectations. Against City for example. But in others he’s been significantly below them.
There was no expectation to begin with :D

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3894 on: April 27, 2024, 03:49:19 pm »
There was no expectation to begin with :D

If Klopp signs a player for £16 million I expect a player good enough to play for Liverpool. Otherwise why do it. And in some games he’s been more than good enough. But in others he’s been no where near good enough.

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« Reply #3895 on: April 27, 2024, 04:42:11 pm »
It was the "we need your legs" comment from Jurgen in meeting him that was surprising when you see him play.

It was like Steptoe had stepped on the field vs Newcastle. It was anything but legs. It could well be the German league makes you look quicker (he looked it on his YouTube footage, plus Keita looked much more powerful/quicker in that league). The first showing various people suggested he was tired having just signed, that was the hope anyway, but then you saw him again and he really is that slow. When he went off at Newcastle the tempo immediately ramped up, and we overturned a game in which we had been dominated. As you'd expect he has improved in his understanding of the team since then, and hes tidy, but the lack of athleticism and the effect he has on the 8s who have to stay near him so as not to expose him, restricts the midfield.

I dont think he would get in a top 10 PL side (he definitely wouldn't get in the 14th place Palace side who targeted him twice), this league is just so demanding physically (though Atalanta also did it to us/him). We saw last season what happened with Fabinho's legs going, pretty much every opposition ran through our midfield at will. Southampton who were already relegated opened up us time and again, with a completely shot Fabinho trailing behind the runners.

We were despondent in the summer when the big DM deals fell through as we knew how vital that position was. When Endo's name came up there was almost an incredulity (lots of googling), then Jurgen's first comments to him, which sounded promising (I thought this fella was going to be a Ji Sung Park type who could run all day). Its then when you see him, and the lack of mobility, and the restrictions it places on the midfield, when reality set in. The midfield has been disjointed all season as there isnt enough running power in the DM position to track runners when teams break (saw it again multiple times today, including when Bowen breezed past him which ended up with Allison saving, and when Kudus went past him which saw him get booked for dragging him back). The passivity, the lack of speed, athleticism, intensity, the lack of screening the back line, the slower tempo he imposes on the team, the 8s having to play closer to him as they know he doesn't have recovery pace when teams break (and being compact is not suited to a pressing side which takes risks), the effects are wide ranging. The 6 doing his job allows the 8s to do theres, and the whole team functions better, attacks are more effective with the 8s further advanced, and the defence has someone protecting them, putting out fires, preventing easy chances being given up (and we give up easy chances aplenty with a dreadful United putting 6 past us in 2 games despite us dominating possession).

It's such a key position that we have now gone two seasons without an adequate one for what the club aspires to achieve. It's the first thing Slot has to address as no doubt Klopp would have done.
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« Reply #3896 on: April 27, 2024, 08:46:31 pm »
Why the hell should we waste time verbally beating on a squad player who’s worked like a dog through an injury crisis and been seriously overplayed this season? His only cover is Mac who’s also been overplayed? It’s clear we don’t have enough depth for the position given the intensity with which we play. Endo is gassed. We need Bajcetic back in pronto.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3897 on: April 27, 2024, 08:49:50 pm »

Not his fault the club failed to bring a top young dm.

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« Reply #3898 on: Yesterday at 09:53:39 pm »
Very good game. We completely fell apart when he was taken off.

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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3899 on: Yesterday at 10:00:59 pm »
Taking him off is like drilling holes in the side of the Titanic to help the buoyancy. Baffling.
I don't agree, he'd go to Legoland. Bye.

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« Reply #3900 on: Yesterday at 10:02:47 pm »
How did Mac Allister stay on.

Was gassed after an hour
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3901 on: Yesterday at 10:03:41 pm »
We were conceding loads of transitions with him on anyway.

We need to work on our control of games over the summer. Grim watching us give goals up out of nothing.

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« Reply #3902 on: Yesterday at 10:05:35 pm »
Think they ran through us with him on and they ran through us when he came off to be honest. Not much pressure on the ball throughout.
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« Reply #3903 on: Yesterday at 10:06:52 pm »
Everytime Endo got substituted the last few games our midfield melts into butter.

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« Reply #3904 on: Yesterday at 10:07:27 pm »
Think they ran through us with him on and they ran through us when he came off to be honest. Not much pressure on the ball throughout.

Yep, we were shambolic with him and without, not sure this is the game to apparently show how vital he is.

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« Reply #3905 on: Yesterday at 10:07:53 pm »
Opinions, innit! I thought he was pretty awful in the first half, just continually a yard behind play and never in the places you'd expect him to be. They cut through us at will either way - the midfield rebuild has not worked.

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« Reply #3906 on: Yesterday at 10:11:02 pm »
Yep, we were shambolic with him and without, not sure this is the game to apparently show how vital he is.

He's not good enough to start for us ultimately, but he's the only midfielder we have who actually wants to get stuck in and do a defensive shift. He can't cover enough ground though.
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« Reply #3907 on: Yesterday at 10:14:50 pm »
Opinions, innit! I thought he was pretty awful in the first half, just continually a yard behind play and never in the places you'd expect him to be. They cut through us at will either way - the midfield rebuild has not worked.

It has, we were abysmal last season. this season we've been decent. It's just not complete because we bought a squad player for the most important part of the rebuild.

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« Reply #3908 on: Yesterday at 10:31:16 pm »
Think I must have been watching a different game again. Take him off against Spurs and we fall apart. Same again tonight.

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« Reply #3909 on: Yesterday at 10:32:38 pm »
He's very decent but we need an upgrade this summer.

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« Reply #3910 on: Yesterday at 10:33:59 pm »
Think I must have been watching a different game again. Take him off against Spurs and we fall apart. Same again tonight.

So are you suggesting you want to keep Endo as our starting no6 next season?

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« Reply #3911 on: Yesterday at 10:35:45 pm »
So are you suggesting you want to keep Endo as our starting no6 next season?
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Re: リバプールへようこそ 遠藤
« Reply #3912 on: Yesterday at 10:37:17 pm »
We would have been a lot worse of without Endo this season. That's for sure.

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« Reply #3913 on: Yesterday at 10:43:06 pm »
All the talk about our midfield revolves around the 6 position, but I think a bigger problem than our 6 is the lack of pressure and defense from our #8s.

We compare Endo with Fabinho, which is fair, but I seldom see comparisons of our 8s with Henderson and Gini. Fabinho didnt do all the defense on his own.
IMO only Mac is near those two in pressing, but the rest are too weak.
Everytime we face a strong midfield, players like Harvey,Jones and Gravenberch look so lost
 

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« Reply #3914 on: Yesterday at 10:47:31 pm »
yep

Well we will be fuked next season as well.  Can’t knock the lads effort but he’s simply not good enough.  We need a serious upgrade to compete.
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« Reply #3915 on: Yesterday at 10:50:02 pm »
Opinions, innit! I thought he was pretty awful in the first half, just continually a yard behind play and never in the places you'd expect him to be. They cut through us at will either way - the midfield rebuild has not worked.

He was. Just doesn't have the legs.

Jurgen made the changes as we were too open, as per usual.

Problem is he is the only DM in the squad. Having a DM in there is better than no DM, but we need alot better. And then putting Mac back there shows how desperate the situation is.


That's 1 away win vs the top 10 this season, and that the late steal at Newcastle. Going away from home you especially need a solid, athletic midfield, one that gives little away in terms of openings. We have been wide open all season.

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« Reply #3916 on: Yesterday at 10:54:54 pm »
Think I must have been watching a different game again. Take him off against Spurs and we fall apart. Same again tonight.

i agree 100% with this

i dont understand why endo was taken off

the only other 6 we have in the squad is bajetic

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« Reply #3917 on: Yesterday at 11:15:19 pm »
i agree 100% with this

i dont understand why endo was taken off

the only other 6 we have in the squad is bajetic
They were playing through us for fun when Endo was on the pitch. The difference is that they actually took their chance after he went off.

If we're less lucky and conceded more than 1 then the analysis of his performance would be different.  It's easy to use the scoreline to analyse performances.

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« Reply #3918 on: Yesterday at 11:38:25 pm »
would we have done better with Caiceido or the other bloke this season?
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