Topic: Nottingham Forest

[El Lobo]

Oh, is he from Birmingham originally?

Not that the East Midlands is any better. He’ll talk like Kasabian and calls his missus “Me duck”.

Stop making stuff up you inbred tit

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Stop making stuff up you inbred tit

You spelt 'yow' wrong mate

[Barneylfc∗]

If you read my post then I said exactly that.

Hard to read and post at the same time. I'm a thick Irishman.

Although I'm concerned that we posted basically the exact same thing 

[Crosby Nick]

Stop making stuff up you inbred tit

How am I wrong?

[Buck Pete]

City ground was one of three grounds in the Prem/Championship I needed to to tick off the list.  Therefore I wanted them to come up.  After yesterday, its done and I hope we never see the c*nts again.

[redgriffin73]

Oh, is he from Birmingham originally?

Not that the East Midlands is any better. He’ll talk like Kasabian and calls his missus “Me duck”.

Hah, first steward I asked for directions called me duck yesterday, i'd forgotten they said it until then

[Crosby Nick]

Hah, first steward I asked for directions called me duck yesterday, i'd forgotten they said it until then

Fair play to Lobo. Helpful guy.

[tonysleft]

I'd like to see them back up and maybe Blackburn or someone too. So tired of Bournemouth/Fulham/Watford/Burnley

[Jm55]

A decent thread from a Forest fan on some of the stuff getting sung yesterday;

https://twitter.com/ziggerzagger67/status/1505813024430596098?s=21

[redgriffin73]

Fair play to Lobo. Helpful guy.

[afc tukrish]

I'm sure there are more than a few Americans that want gun control there. Many of those would also probably be able to find some statistic unrelated to intelligence that in their view means British people are thick as pig shit. You just have to look at the fact the Tories are in power, and the outcome of the Brexit referendum to suggest that the British are as thick as the Americans.

Of course it could be that to generalise the whole of either nation would be incorrect.

I'm one of them. But that doesn't fit HypocritefromAllerton's narrative.

Like, I'm certain that Liverpool's managed decline from Thatcher was accepted by all English citizens... because it happened. Right?

Nobody from the area tried to fight against it, because it happened.

That how the "logic" works?

[El Lobo]

Fair play to Lobo. Helpful guy.

I've been called many things on RAWK, but I'm not taking being called a Brummie. They're all thick as pig shit.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I'm one of them. But that doesn't fit HypocritefromAllerton's narrative.

Like, I'm certain that Liverpool's managed decline from Thatcher was accepted by all English citizens... because it happened. Right?

Nobody from the area tried to fight against it, because it happened.

That how the "logic" works?

People did fight against her Poll tax and it did get withdrawn because the anger and fight forced them to back down

I know there are plenty of people against guns in America, but until that level of anger and fight happens then you'll always have that problem.

It's nuts. 30-40,000 people A YEAR getting gunned down by your own people and it'll keep happening.

Bonkers.


The Poll tax was only an injust, shithouse law that fucked over people. Gun crime and that many people dying is shocking and should get more people up in arms (sorry) about it. Where are they? Were are the people FORCING the changes?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I've been called many things on RAWK, but I'm not taking being called a Brummie. They're all thick as pig shit.

El Lobo up in arms

[FlashingBlade]

Anyone mentioned Robin Hood  yet?

[El Lobo]

Anyone mentioned Robin Hood  yet?

Unsurprisingly....

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1339166/robin-hood-news-film-russell-crowe-mystery-legend-myth-sheriff-of-nottingham-crime-tv-spt

ROBIN HOOD could have shared a criminal connection with legendary foe the Sheriff of Nottingham, specialists have claimed.

Robin Hood became known as a legendary outlaw who lived in the Britain between the 13th and 14th Century. While countless TV and film adaptations portray him as a dogooder with masterful archery skills, the few existing documents from history tell a different story. The oldest account was in the ballad ‘Robin Hood and the Monk’, which was published more than 600 years ago. To this day, there is much debate over whether one or multiple Robin Hoods’ existed and whether his legacy matches up to his supposed feats.

Historians have listed two specific individuals who could have been or at least inspired the elaborate fables about Robin Hood – both of them came from Yorkshire and one could have been tied to the real life Sheriff of Nottingham.

Dr Julian Luxford, a manuscript expert, discovered a book buried in Eton College’s library that revealed one of the men supposedly behind the myth “was a hardened criminal”.

The document claimed that Robin and his accomplices “infested Sherwood and other law-abiding regions of England with continuous robberies” between 1294 and 1299.

Meanwhile Dr David Crook, from the University of Nottingham, believed that a Robert Hood detailed in a 1226 Latin document’s deeds could have been overhyped.

He felt that the individual’s acts could have inspired other copycats who continued his legacy by using his name or being branded as a “Robin Hood” as a term similar to “hooligan”.

Dr Crook said: “He is a fugitive from justice and his chapels – that is the moveable goods he left behind when he fled – are accounted for by the Sheriff, which is why they appear here in this account.”

Dr Luxford’s figure from the late 13th Century could be backed-up by later accounts between 1309 and 1322, which showed a Robert, or Robin, Hood committed 20 crimes including fighting and poaching.

Graham Phillips, author of ‘Robin Hood: The Man Behind the Myth’, referenced an ancient roll that detailed the penalties he paid to the Sheriff – who presided over Wakefield.

He said: “The first reference says Robert Hodde (an older spelling of Hood) drew blood from the wife of Henry Archer and for this he was fined 12 pence – so he was already a bit of a villain in 1309.”

Details about the Sheriff first came in the ballad ‘Robin Hood and the Monk’, where he arrested the outlaw while he prayed in a church.

He was thrown into a bottleneck shaped prison, called an oubliette, where he was left to rot until Little John broke into the jail and set him free – according to the legend.

Mr Phillips noted in the 2010 TV show ‘Mystery Files’ that his Robin Hood claims could be correct because he existed at the same time as the individual he suspects was the fabled Sheriff of Nottingham.

He said: “It was a man called Henry Fauconberg, he was interestingly not only Sheriff of Nottingham but Sheriff of Yorkshire as well.”

He's been slandering all of the East Midlands heroes today, he called Daniel Lambert 'nothing but a fat bastard' as well.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Unsurprisingly....

He's been slandering all of the East Midlands heroes today, he called Daniel Lambert 'nothing but a fat bastard' as well.

Your browser is broken mate. Everytime you post something it comes up with different information than what is actually there.

You seem to be Brummiebonkers**


** A condition usually affecting lobotomised carrots

[Lycan]

Forest fans have and always will be a massive gang of pricks.

[Kekule]

I wouldn’t have had this down as being the most entertaining thread on Rawk today. Well down folks. Marvellous stuff! 

[Linudden]

Given the previous thread was locked after the FA Cup meeting and some post-game tensions flaring feel free to merge it with that one.

Just curious what's going on with the former nemesis this summer. They're spending like crazy with two high-profile former Liverpool players in Williams and Awoniyi, an angry Dean Henderson aiming to prove a point over Man United by the looks of things and some other recruits.

Will this be a spectacular head dive or enough to propel Forest to a new contract? Given that Cooper seems to be a very good manager I'm giving them greater odds than 50/50 for staying up but if it doesn't work out that could be the club in ruins I guess?

While I know a certain poster won't agree with me I do believe it's good to see a classic club back. It's a bit of a change in guard to have Leeds and Forest in the Premier League together for once

It's definitely been a while since Forest last stayed up after a Premier League season, 26 years in fact. Two relegations in the late 90s and then really in the wilderness since, not even a lost playoff final in the meantime. Similar to fellow historical teams that once were famous around the football world in the same era such as Derby and Ipswich, it's been some very rough times recently for them.

[Mahern]

I think they'll do better than stay up - mid table at least.

Agree, much rather somebody like this in the premier league than say Bournemouth/Brighton/Brentford/Fulham - if it's a bit 'spicy' then all the better.

[disgraced cake]

Think they can be similar to Brentford last season but it depends on the start they make IMO. Start strongly and then you're allowed a couple of bad runs throughout the season but if you start poorly there's very rarely a way out of it for promoted sides. Can see them finishing 12th/13th/14th. Which would be decent for them. I know you get fucking loads for winning the playoffs but it looks like they might spend decent amounts in the future if they stay up.

[Linudden]

TV money isn't up front though which suggests they have signed a lot of players while awaiting future revenue on credit. Definitely a risk. If someone did that in 2019 a disaster waiting to happen.

We'll see what it renders either way. Still, for a freshly promoted team to have a proven PL commodity in goal is priceless and if Lingard is half the player for Forest that he was for West Ham it ought to be good enough.

Huge pressure will be on Awoniyi though. He's had one very prolific season in the Bundesliga but now he'll need to repeat that as a big-money signing in the Premier League which is not easy. The rest of the forward line screams Football League so if he doesn't deliver, they're in trouble.

[Peabee]

How much have they spent?

[Linudden]

How much have they spent?

Loads. Wikipedia reports above 54 million net spend in transfer fees alone. Then add the sign-on fees for the new signings, the same for Lingard and loan fee for Henderson on top of that. All that for a club with a 30 k stadium that ain't seen this revenue before. It's a big gamble and a lot of trust they're putting in Cooper. It would've been easy to just try and scrape by and collect the parachutes. If they just stay up one year it pays itself off.

[Fromola]

They're doing what Villa did a couple of years ago. Spending a fortune after sneaking the play offs and losing some of the players they had with loans etc. Fulham did similar as well the year before. Fulham went straight back down and Villa stayed up by the skin of their teeth.

I don't think you can just sign a shitload of players and expect them to gel. The newly promoted teams that do well are usually ones that have been built over a few years and just make a few signings to improve the team that's been built (Sheff United/Leeds/Brentford). Forest were bottom of The Championship before Cooper turned up last season.

[Too early for flapjacks?]

Sounds like they managed promotion against the odds with a paper thin squad which then lost players either by loans ending or players leaving. So I think they went into the summer from a position of weakness. But they did do a decent amount of business early which gives them time to bed in players. With all the new players to integrate, I can't see them doing a Brentford but they've given themselves a chance of staying up by acting early. Bournemouth and Fulham have struggled to get players in and both their managers have been having a moan about it in the press.

[Fromola]

Sounds like they managed promotion against the odds with a paper thin squad which then lost players either by loans ending or players leaving. So I think they went into the summer from a position of weakness. But they did do a decent amount of business early which gives them time to bed in players. With all the new players to integrate, I can't see them doing a Brentford but they've given themselves a chance of staying up by acting early. Bournemouth and Fulham have struggled to get players in and both their managers have been having a moan about it in the press.

Bournemouth are going to be a bigger waste of time than Norwich last season. If Forest can finish above them and Fulham then it's only one other club to get above. 

They've certainly invested, which gives them a chance, but just buying a new team near enough isn't a winning formula.

[Dave McCoy]

Unless you're a complete outlier like Bielsa's Leeds or Warnock's Cardiff then the biggest challenge is always going from being a dominant Championship side that sees a lot of the ball to being a minnow in the PL that rarely sees the ball. I think this is even more important than the signings which is all the pundits ever want to focus on. Unless you're a Wolves where you have a bunch of Mendes clients already there for his own monetary reasons then odds are you're not going to be able to buy players good enough regardless to continue to play in a progressive style. Norwich and Fulham have both shown consistently how hard this is in that they try to play the same way in the PL as they did in the Championship and it's just not good enough with the lower caliber of player they've been able to recruit. I don't actually get the concern for Brentford this year in that Frank has clearly shown he understands this with the 180 in play style they did from the Championship to the PL, think their purchases were pretty astute as well.

So as far as Forest, yes they've spent a lot but is Cooper going to be able to get them to be a hard to beat unit that is able to scrounge a goal here or there for some points? He seems a good manager as well but this is a pretty big step up from just being above average in the Championship.

[thaddeus]

I think they've spent better than Fulham did after their previous promotion.  Quite a lot of gambles on players with little or no Premier League experience but you can at least see there's a plan behind the signings (four new full-backs but all are 'modern' in style and fit with what I saw of how Cooper had Forest playing last season).

Cooper did an amazing job but it's difficult to know how much of what they achieved was down to momentum and belief.  They could be like Sheffield Utd in their first season where the belief and confidence carries through.  If they have a bad start - which seems more likely due to bedding in so many new players - I think they'll have a very tough season.

They have players like Scott McKenna that did really well last season but, based on international football, will struggle in the Premier League.  They also made great use of loans last season with Spence and Garner both standing out.  Time will tell if Williams () and Mangala can fill those positions.

[Lone Star Red]

Forest averaged about 50% possession last season in the Championship, so they're already comfortable being a side who doesn't need to dominate the ball. If they can avoid being a sieve defensively, I think they can comfortably stay up with Johnson/Lingard/Awoniyi being good enough to get them the goals they'll need, especially on the counter.

I'm excited to see them this season, glad they're in the PL along with Leeds.

[rossipersempre]

For nostalgia reasons alone, like I felt with Leeds, I’d like to see them survive and have a good few results along the way.

Apart from that obnoxious c*nt Lingard, naturally.

[elsewhere]

Yeah they could hve been much more likeable if they stayed away from Lingard

[Peabee]

For nostalgia reasons alone, like I felt with Leeds, I’d like to see them survive and have a good few results along the way.

Apart from that obnoxious c*nt Lingard, naturally.

I used to love the silver Panini Forest badge. Those reflective stickers. The Forest badge was one colour more like current crests.

[rossipersempre]

I used to love the silver Panini Forest badge. Those reflective stickers. The Forest badge was one colour more like current crests.

Yes! That and our crest were definitely the most valuable in the playground.

Is it true they have no shirt sponsor? Seen a few pics online of their new clean home shirt that’s all.

[OsirisMVZ]

They are also trying to build a new stand. Been some articles in June about renewal of plans etc. They are preparing to spend absolutely loads of money.

[Peabee]

Yes! That and our crest were definitely the most valuable in the playground.

Is it true they have no shirt sponsor? Seen a few pics online of their new clean home shirt that’s all.

I just had a look in google images. Motherwell was another one, I recognised it straight away. In fact, quite a few of the Scottish crests looked great on that metallic looking reflective silver background.

I think the 1986 stickers are the ones I’m remembering.

[stoopid yank]

I think they'll do better than stay up - mid table at least.

Agreed - of the 3 promoted teams, I would favor them the most to survive. Their manager seems competent (and ex LFC)  and they have picked up some better players. Bournemouth and brave Scotty Parker...looking vulnerable. And Fulham with little Marco...

[Bobsackamano]

Agreed - of the 3 promoted teams, I would favor them the most to survive. Their manager seems competent (and ex LFC)  and they have picked up some better players. Bournemouth and brave Scotty Parker...looking vulnerable. And Fulham with little Marco...

Think he's a bit more than competent, he managed our academy then won the kids Euro's with England. In 3 seasons as a championship manager he took Swansea to the playoffs twice then took over these when they were bottom and got them promoted. Read a few things about the guy and he's seems a very clever modern manager like Potter.

[Dubred]

The panini Forest sticker was pretty cool to be fair