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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #640 on: November 20, 2023, 11:17:06 pm »
Abu Dhabi buying the Torygraph. I mean, we only thought we had a corrupt, agenda-driven media before…

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #641 on: November 21, 2023, 05:14:13 am »
Abu Dhabi buying the Torygraph. I mean, we only thought we had a corrupt, agenda-driven media before…

RedBird IMI... is that the same as RedBird Capital Partners that bought a stake in LFC? Please don't tell me we're backed by Abu Dhabi....

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #642 on: December 1, 2023, 04:42:49 pm »
Asian Champions League quarter finals onwards, being solely hosted in Saudi for at least the next five years  :butt :butt :butt
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #643 on: December 8, 2023, 08:48:21 am »
Saudi Arabia World Cup 2034: Sports Minister defends state's right to host https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67650721

Another puff piece for Saudi Arabia in the bbc. Yes, there are questions regarding concerns on sportswashing and human rights but the answers to them go unchallenged. Articles like this that give an impression of balance are more insidious.

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"Everyone's welcome in the kingdom" said Prince Adbulaziz. "Like any other nation we have rules and regulations that everyone should abide by and respect. When we come to the UK we respect the rules and regulations, whether we believe in them or not. Through the 85 events that we have had so far, we haven't had any issues."

You can NEVER let this stand when given as an answer. What rights does a Saudi citizen not have that they have at home, apart from those that allow them to mistreat another with impunity?

Why wasn’t the next question “what uk rules do you disagree with and why?”.

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #644 on: December 8, 2023, 09:02:18 pm »
Never seen any clips of the Saudi league before but couldn't resist clicking on the BBC link below to see the 'weirdest pen ever given'.

Of course what's most weird of all is the crowd. It's not a case of 'spot the ball' but 'spot the spectator'.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67659554

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #645 on: December 8, 2023, 09:24:27 pm »

'Sportswashing claims 'very shallow' - Saudi minister':-

Saudi Arabia World Cup 2034: Sports minister defends state's right to host

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67650721
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #646 on: December 8, 2023, 09:29:57 pm »

'What Has Happened To Qatar's World Cup Stadiums?' - by HITC Sevens:-

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/0AUaHBtsTn4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/0AUaHBtsTn4</a>

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'How Saudi Arabia BOUGHT The FIFA World Cup' - www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT-VVNEBm9o

'Why Is No One Watching Football In Saudi Arabia?' - www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDAgWWShFkw

'Why FIFA Prefers Working With Dictatorships' - www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQwqiIu2nbg
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #647 on: December 9, 2023, 01:12:28 am »
I do not really follow golf, I had heard of Jon Rahm but assumed he was American, apparently he's won two major tournaments so hardly Jack Nicklaus the (heard of him)
£450m contract to play Saudi's version of Golf?  Has the world gone absolutely mad?
Do that many people actually watch golf that having Jon Rahm makes the slightest difference, or, as is more likely, these people have so much money they do not care what they do with it as long as they get total control.
If that's not a warning shot across Football I do not know what is.
Paying Jordan Henderson, a man ride on the tideline of being washed up, £109m seemed over the top, possibly not for Saudi
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #648 on: December 9, 2023, 07:53:24 am »
I do not really follow golf, I had heard of Jon Rahm but assumed he was American, apparently he's won two major tournaments so hardly Jack Nicklaus the (heard of him)
£450m contract to play Saudi's version of Golf?  Has the world gone absolutely mad?
Do that many people actually watch golf that having Jon Rahm makes the slightest difference, or, as is more likely, these people have so much money they do not care what they do with it as long as they get total control.
If that's not a warning shot across Football I do not know what is.
Paying Jordan Henderson, a man ride on the tideline of being washed up, £109m seemed over the top, possibly not for Saudi
I would imagine the Saudis have precisely zero interest in any sport. They just want to control it. All of it.

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #649 on: December 10, 2023, 10:34:55 pm »
Girona beat Barca 2-4 to go two points clear of Madrid at the top of La Liga (7 clear of Atleti and Barca).
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #650 on: December 11, 2023, 01:12:16 am »
Girona beat Barca 2-4 to go two points clear of Madrid at the top of La Liga (7 clear of Atleti and Barca).
Strangely enough they have hardly bought anyone even though they probably could, anyone who can make Daley Blind into a 1st place team player is doing well. Someone might educate me on them.
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #651 on: December 11, 2023, 06:29:39 am »
Strangely enough they have hardly bought anyone even though they probably could, anyone who can make Daley Blind into a 1st place team player is doing well. Someone might educate me on them.
Maybe they’ve signed some referees?

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #652 on: December 11, 2023, 01:56:00 pm »
City getting punished properly by the PL and Abu Dhabi thinking fuck this and instead concentrating on Girona would be lovely, wouldn't it?

Unfortunately La Liga actually seem to take proactive steps to stop clubs spending too much.
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #653 on: December 11, 2023, 02:03:50 pm »
No way will Girona be able to fuck around like City are, La Liga (I should hope) would put a stop to that. Imagine the noise their favourites Madrid and Barca would make.

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #654 on: December 11, 2023, 02:19:54 pm »
Girona v City in next years Champions league eh


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« Reply #655 on: December 11, 2023, 03:22:37 pm »
Are they both allowed in the same European competition? What happens if they both qualify?
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #656 on: December 11, 2023, 03:40:06 pm »
No way will Girona be able to fuck around like City are, La Liga (I should hope) would put a stop to that. Imagine the noise their favourites Madrid and Barca would make.

I'm hoping they try and them two and Atleti go mental about it
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #657 on: December 11, 2023, 05:12:16 pm »
Are they both allowed in the same European competition? What happens if they both qualify?

Technically not allowed but they always find a way around it. Union and Brighton are both in the Europa this year, and of course you have the RB clubs. Toulouse and AC Milan as well.

Girona are only 47% owned by the CFG, which I imagine is how UEFA will try and make out like it's okay.
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #658 on: December 11, 2023, 11:58:41 pm »
Technically not allowed but they always find a way around it. Union and Brighton are both in the Europa this year, and of course you have the RB clubs. Toulouse and AC Milan as well.

Girona are only 47% owned by the CFG, which I imagine is how UEFA will try and make out like it's okay.
Think Milan are in the CL. Both Toulouse and us in the Europa though, same situation applies.

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« Reply #659 on: December 12, 2023, 12:00:26 am »
Think Milan are in the CL. Both Toulouse and us in the Europa though, same situation applies.

Yeah they are but even then if it wasn't allowed you'd have to prevent one from entering as you can drop from the CL into the EL.
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« Reply #660 on: December 12, 2023, 12:02:48 am »
Yeah they are but even then if it wasn't allowed you'd have to prevent one from entering as you can drop from the CL into the EL.
Yep. Not checked either group but think there's potential all three of us red bird associated clubs are in the next round of the EL (we obvs have a bye, so wouldn't play, but still)

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #661 on: December 13, 2023, 02:44:58 pm »

'‘North Korea can own a club’: How fans grew to defend sportswashing':-

As nation-state ownership within football becomes normalized, growing numbers of fans are willing to make excuses for autocrats

www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/dec/13/north-korea-can-own-a-club-how-fans-grew-to-defend-sportswashing





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'It was the clearest definition of ‘sportswashing’ you could hope for. Buried within Foreign Office exchanges unearthed in a recent investigation by The Athletic into the Saudi takeover of Newcastle United, one line stuck out: “The takeover of Newcastle presents an opportunity to promote a different image of Saudi Arabia in the UK.”

The increased presence of nation-state ownership in sport – from the Saudi golf takeover to the acquisition of clubs such as Newcastle and Manchester City by investment funds linked closely to governments in Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi – is, inevitably, money-oriented. Gulf states are attempting to diversify their economies and decrease their reliance on fossil fuels, with Saudi Arabia aiming to boost sport’s percentage of the kingdom’s GDP to 10% by 2030.

But it’s not just about cash; it’s also about shaping a country’s global image and distracting from atrocities such as the execution of juvenile criminals and dissenting journalists like Jamal Khashoggi, the persecution of LGBTQ+ citizens, and the British-armed, Saudi-Emirati-led bombing of Yemen. According to Nick McGeehan, co-author of the Fairsquare report Easy Cities To Buy, European soccer offers “great PR for the image-conscious autocrat. It also opens up commercial opportunities and it’s great for political networking.”

And yet, there’s a growing contingent of football fans convinced that sportswashing isn’t real, and that anyone criticising Gulf state investment in football is hypocritical or even racist. Effectively, fans in the UK have actively joined the image-laundering campaign.'
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #662 on: December 15, 2023, 10:03:03 pm »
Not going to well for the KSA League

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Al-Ahly send Al-Ittihad out of Club World Cup as Benzema misses penalty
> Egyptian side win 3-1 to set up semi-final with Fluminense
> Manchester City will face Urawa Red Diamonds in last four

Karim Benzema missed a penalty as Al-Ittihad were knocked out of the Club World Cup by Egypt’s Al-Ahly, who cruised to a 3-1 victory in Jeddah.

Al-Ahly broke the deadlock in the 21st minute from the penalty spot after a handball by Al-Ittihad defender Hassan Kadesh. Left-back Ali Maaloul converted the penalty, but Al-Ittihad quickly earned their own spot kick for handball. Benzema failed to score, however, his kick brilliantly saved by Mohamed El Shenawy.

Marcelo Gallardo’s team fell further behing when Hussein El Shahat collected Kahraba’s pass and curled the ball into the net just before the hour mark. Kahraba, then set up Emam Ashour to get the third goal from a quick counterattack.

Benzema scored a last-minute consolation, moments after substitute Anthony Modeste had been sent off for Al-Ahly, who will now face the Copa Libertadores winners, Fluminense, in the semi-finals on Monday.

Al-Ittihad, who earned a place in the Saudi-hosted tournament as the national champions, were well beaten despite including Benzema, N’Golo Kanté and Fabinho in their line-up. The big-spending side are currently fourth in the Saudi league, 19 points behind runaway leaders Al-Hilal.

Manchester City will begin their Club World Cup campaign on Tuesday against the Asian Champions League holders, Urawa Red Diamonds. The Japanese side beat the Concacaf title winners Léon earlier on Friday, with Dutch striker Alex Schalk scoring the only goal.

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« Reply #663 on: December 16, 2023, 12:13:47 am »

The i is still going after Jordan and the Saudis, I assume these articles are in tomorrow's paper (the Weekend edition)            ‘It’s bullshit’: LGBTQ Saudis blast Henderson and the World Cup bid he supports

They fled for their lives to escape Saudi persecution. Now LGBTQ Saudis accuse Henderson of a having a 'white saviour complex'The idea that the England midfielder could change anything in this absolute monarchy which criminalises homosexuality with punishments including imprisonment, lashings, and the death penalty was “total bullshit”, said one gay Saudi. He forms one of three LGBTQ people from the Gulf state who are today revealing their stories of persecution and abuse to raise the alarm about the dangerous situation facing their community.

‘I was going to lose my life’: LGBTQ Saudis reveal the truth about the regime
“Your name is on the system. You’re going to be arrested soon.” These were the words that changed Alvin’s life. He knew what they meant: he would be captured, imprisoned, and possibly executed. He was 19 at the time. “I was going to lose my life,” he says now.
This is the reality for LGBTQ people in Saudi Arabia under sharia law – a death sentence, a prison sentence, or a life of secrecy and terror. But the details of how the regime hunts down this community can now be revealed: the secret network of officials and religious police who spy on them, the cyber surveillance through government apps and dating apps, the third-party agents who lure them back from abroad, and the doctors who collaborate with the authorities.



I am the sister of a Saudi political prisoner – this is what I want Newcastle fans to know


“The fact there’s no transparency in this decision is scary. It shows how much more influence Saudi Arabia has with buying Newcastle. I’ve seen politicians in Newcastle being so hesitant to meet me, because they might get political backlash.”

Hathloul is concerned that these fans may not realise how damaging their actions may be. She has a stark warning as to where it could all lead.
“Today Newcastle fans are still able to enter the stadium whoever they are,” she says. “If we are going in that direction of accepting to be silent towards Saudi, tomorrow maybe Saudi will be buying the stadium itself and forbidding some Newcastle fans from entering because of social media posts. It can get that bad where people will have their freedoms removed if we are silent with Saudi now.”[/size]
The prospect sounds far-fetched – until you consider, for a moment, what happened to Hathloul’s sister. Part of the reason Loujain was imprisoned sounds equally as outlandish as a football club owner restricting who can attend matches based on social media posts: being female and driving a car.
After being kidnapped from the UAE in 2018, over several years Loujain was detained and tortured – including, it is claimed, being beaten, waterboarded and given electric shocks – for supporting women’s right to drive and the abolition of the male guardianship system.
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #664 on: December 16, 2023, 08:26:09 am »
Bit one-sided that article. What about all the years of suffering Newcastle fans endured under Ashley?

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #665 on: December 16, 2023, 08:43:04 am »
Would winning a league cup make them feel better?

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #666 on: January 18, 2024, 08:51:24 pm »

In the Italian Super Cup tonight - Napoli vs Fiorentina - in Saudi Arabia...




^ the KSU Stadium has a 25,000 capacity stadium - this match was obviously a 'sell out' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSU_Stadium_(Riyadh)


Still looks more of a crowd there than most of Gerrard and Henderson's matches in Saudi Arabia.


Edit: '9,762' attended: https://onefootball.com/en/news/supercoppa-italiana-clash-involving-fiorentina-and-napoli-records-disappointing-attendance-38897966

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #667 on: January 18, 2024, 09:04:55 pm »
In the Italian Super Cup tonight - Napoli vs Fiorentina - in Saudi Arabia...




^ the KSU Stadium has a 25,000 capacity stadium - this match was obviously a 'sell out' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSU_Stadium_(Riyadh)


Still looks more of a crowd there than most of Gerrard and Henderson's matches in Saudi Arabia.


I had that on TV here with no idea - but I wondered if it was in Saudi... and sure enough

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« Reply #668 on: January 18, 2024, 09:08:03 pm »
The game doesn't seem to be "growing".
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #669 on: January 18, 2024, 10:42:50 pm »
In the Italian Super Cup tonight - Napoli vs Fiorentina - in Saudi Arabia...




^ the KSU Stadium has a 25,000 capacity stadium - this match was obviously a 'sell out' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSU_Stadium_(Riyadh)


Still looks more of a crowd there than most of Gerrard and Henderson's matches in Saudi Arabia.

must be a national day of mourning Henderson's departure. They've lost their famous no. 10 - it's a lot to process

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #670 on: January 19, 2024, 12:49:26 am »
The game doesn't seem to be "growing".

Its not growing, it is being kidnapped and abused
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« Reply #671 on: January 19, 2024, 12:17:34 pm »
Anyone have any knowledge of what fans of teams like this are saying about their games being moved to another country? It happened with a Spanish cup game too didn't it?
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« Reply #672 on: January 19, 2024, 12:35:24 pm »
Anyone have any knowledge of what fans of teams like this are saying about their games being moved to another country? It happened with a Spanish cup game too didn't it?

Yeah it did though I'm not sure if the crowd was so inconspicuous for that one.

I can only presume the Spanish and Italian FAs gave the decision their blessings seeing as they're their competitions.

Hopefully the Saudis will realise football fans are different to boxing, F1 and golf fans where it's more about the spectacle than the sport itself and stop bothering so we can have our game back.

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #673 on: January 19, 2024, 12:41:08 pm »
Anyone have any knowledge of what fans of teams like this are saying about their games being moved to another country? It happened with a Spanish cup game too didn't it?

"LAZIO MERDA" banner displayed during Napoli-Fiorentina, in response to Sarri, the Lazio manager, criticizing playing in Saudi Arabia:

"This tournament is about anything other than sport. You take the money and run. We take all that we can in this short-sighted manner. We go around the world begging for money."

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #674 on: January 19, 2024, 12:44:19 pm »
"LAZIO MERDA" banner displayed during Napoli-Fiorentina, in response to Sarri, the Lazio manager, criticizing playing in Saudi Arabia:

"This tournament is about anything other than sport. You take the money and run. We take all that we can in this short-sighted manner. We go around the world begging for money."



So the fans were happy it being in Saudi and unhappy at Lazio complaining about it?

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #675 on: January 19, 2024, 01:23:14 pm »
So the fans were happy it being in Saudi and unhappy at Lazio complaining about it?

Lazio play Inter tonight in the other semi-final of Italian Super Cup; Sarri the Lazio manager isn't too happy with the tournament being played there - and so that's probably why the fans showed up yesterday to highlight it - 'Lazio shit' for playing there - though I'm just guessing and linking the two on that. (I imagine it wasn't difficult to get hold of a ticket ;) and it did certainly get noticed).
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #676 on: January 19, 2024, 01:40:10 pm »
Lazio play Inter tonight in the other semi-final of Italian Super Cup; Sarri the Lazio manager isn't too happy with the tournament being played there - and so that's probably why the fans showed up yesterday to highlight it - 'Lazio shit' for playing there - though I'm just guessing and linking the two on that. (I imagine it wasn't difficult to get hold of a ticket ;) and it did certainly get noticed).
It’s robbing the proper fans of these teams of a chance to see the game.
Disgusting.

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« Reply #677 on: January 19, 2024, 01:52:59 pm »
Thanks for that Jason, good to see a manager not being afraid to speak up.
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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #678 on: January 19, 2024, 02:03:53 pm »
I do not really follow golf, I had heard of Jon Rahm but assumed he was American, apparently he's won two major tournaments so hardly Jack Nicklaus the (heard of him)
£450m contract to play Saudi's version of Golf?  Has the world gone absolutely mad?
Do that many people actually watch golf that having Jon Rahm makes the slightest difference, or, as is more likely, these people have so much money they do not care what they do with it as long as they get total control.
If that's not a warning shot across Football I do not know what is.
Paying Jordan Henderson, a man ride on the tideline of being washed up, £109m seemed over the top, possibly not for Saudi

I work in broadcast.

Livgolf’s broadcast budget for tournaments was about 6 times that of the pga for a quarter of the tournament’s.

Absolute insanity, just throwing money at every inch of it. Can’t do that? Ok, double money, can you do it now? No? Double again?
WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!

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Re: Sportwashing-A general thread
« Reply #679 on: January 19, 2024, 02:15:06 pm »
Lazio play Inter tonight in the other semi-final of Italian Super Cup; Sarri the Lazio manager isn't too happy with the tournament being played there - and so that's probably why the fans showed up yesterday to highlight it - 'Lazio shit' for playing there - though I'm just guessing and linking the two on that. (I imagine it wasn't difficult to get hold of a ticket ;) and it did certainly get noticed).

Wow so Lazio fans were protesting against having to play there but at a game between Napoli and Fiorentina? 

Good on them all, manager and fans but who the fuck decided to play there in the first place?  Club or FA?