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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7440 on: January 8, 2011, 03:37:16 am »
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2010-11/content/current/story/495903.html

Interesting article. Scary that the captain would possibly not have full control over decelerations and 12th man duties. Someone remind Neilson he is just the coach. Warne would very much disapprove.

I fully agree with Clarke too. Hussey played well by staying positive and playing his natural game no matter the situation. Watson the same and on a few occasions Haddin also. When you try and hang around doing nothing is when you run into trouble, which Clarke was doing in the first couple of games but as he became more positive I think glimpses of form showed in Melbourne and Sydney.

The worst thing Hughes could do is try and play someone else's game. Smith the same (though I'm not sure his natural game will ever be good enough). Playing your natural game is what we need to instill in the young players coming through and its why I think Clarke would be a good captain.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7441 on: January 8, 2011, 03:52:37 am »
Read today that Hilditch seems to think he and his little band of selectors did a fine job, and placed the blame solely on the players.

Muppet. Should be the first head on the chopping block.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7442 on: January 8, 2011, 04:24:54 am »
Read today that Hilditch seems to think he and his little band of selectors did a fine job, and placed the blame solely on the players.

Muppet. Should be the first head on the chopping block.
Yeah I saw that too. Delusional. Him and Cox need to fuck off.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7443 on: January 8, 2011, 06:10:16 am »
Clarke would concern me as a captain for a couple of reasons.
Firstly I have watched him bat through this series and he has no apparent plan nor semblance of one. When Anderson was bowling on the fourth evening in Sydney Clarke was just a wicket waiting to be taken, he had no idea at all which way the ball was moving and I genuinely felt pity for him when he nicked off, he was clueless. No good saying that the rest were the same either because a) He is the leader of the group, and he has to stand up and be counted, no excuses and b) Siddle and Smith had no trouble picking Anderson at all.
Secondly he just really shows no leadership at all, nor strikes me as any kind of leader. When you watch the Aussies you really do not think that Clarke is indeed the captain, something you are in no doubt with either Ponting or Strauss, whatever their particular detractions. Also off both them, there is an aura of leadership, and Clarke just doesn't have that.
About the playing positive part, I would of thought that Aussie would of done quite enough of that this year. The amount of wild slashes outside off stump this series by them when 'playing their own games' has been criminal.

That said I don't particularly mind if you make Clarke captain one bit.  ;D
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7444 on: January 8, 2011, 06:32:49 am »
To be amongst the Barmy Army at the SCG was brilliant. The MCG was good (especially the sprinkler), but the SCG was just incredible.

But last night was one of the best nights of my life. Amazing being there to see them win the ashes but the celebrations were just unbelievable and many players turned up. At the BarmY Army HQ the guys were in full voice and sang all afternoon while bewildered Aussies came out of their offices to take pictures.

Michael Vaughan was the 1st famous face to turn up and stayed for a few photos. Then later I remember meeting Swann, Cook, Bell and I think Bresnan. Legends all of them and posed for hundreds of photos and chatted with all the fans. One of the best group of players you could ever come across.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7445 on: January 8, 2011, 06:43:41 am »
About the playing positive part, I would of thought that Aussie would of done quite enough of that this year. The amount of wild slashes outside off stump this series by them when 'playing their own games' has been criminal.
I dont think so. I think that its been proding at bad balls, which is worse. For Clarke on a few occasions he's slashed at one trying to attack and been caught at point or gully. Haddin too. What there has been is a lot of slip catches especially the backstop and thats not from people slashing at balls thats from straight and slightly angled bats just dangling out there. Thats being in two minds. Not knowing what to leave and what to play at. You dont look as clueless as we have if you were just being overly attacking, you'd look ballsy and a little nuts but nut clueless. Warne made a good point about Khawaja. As much as he's looked good, he doesn't leave much, which he will need to do when people are bowling as England did. Clarke has had the same problem. What Hussey has done well is leave a lot of good balls and punish the bad ones. Hughes has had the same problem as Clarke and Khawaja mostly because he's just in bad form, its a symptom.

I would have preferred it if we had gone down in flames trying to counter-attack the English bowling rather than being so scared and seemingly confused.

I think your assessment of the captain is both wrong and right.

I think Strauss is a really good captain. I dont think Ponting is. I dont think Strauss has a particular aura about him. I think Waugh did, I think Ponting at some stages does, but I dont think thats what makes you a good captain. I think its a lot about having plans, instilling confidence in players, knowing when to make bowling changes and communicating with your bowlers so they have fields they want and bowl to those fields, but at the same time knowing when that bowler may be wrong and getting that across too. I think Strauss has a really good understanding with his bowlers and is very good at making bowling changes, in that he brings Swann on at all the right times and always bowls Anderson in the right conditions. Over time I think this 'aura' of leadership is developed by constantly making good decision and being that good captain, its just our perception of them. Hell, Border was not a good captain for the first part of his career, but became one. I think Smith has that 'aura' now with South Africa because he has become a good captain (with a bit of help by Warney). I think Clarke could be a good captain.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7446 on: January 8, 2011, 07:25:53 am »
With the Ashes and the India-SA test series, it's been a real treat of cricket for the past couple of months. Steyn vs Tendulkar, Cook's heroics and some utterly inept Aussie batting and bowling. Took my mind off Hodge-Podge's antics. Now all I have to look forward to is the sight of Hodge-Podge rubbing his chin vigorously as we get hammered by the Mancs at Castle Greyskull.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7447 on: January 8, 2011, 07:29:56 am »
So, who won?

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7449 on: January 8, 2011, 09:11:49 am »
With the Ashes and the India-SA test series, it's been a real treat of cricket for the past couple of months. Steyn vs Tendulkar, Cook's heroics and some utterly inept Aussie batting and bowling. Took my mind off Hodge-Podge's antics. Now all I have to look forward to is the sight of Hodge-Podge rubbing his chin vigorously as we get hammered by the Mancs at Castle Greyskull.
England v India this summer is something to really look forward to on the Test series front. One more chance to see Sachin having first seen him at Lords in 1990. Amazing he is still box office now.

Do you all think Morgan will go straight in at 6 for England or is there a possibility that we put Prior up to 6, Bressie 7, Broad 8, Swann 9 so we can get the extra pace man in ?

I think I'd like to see that as I think Bressie has got a bit more to offer than first meets the eye with ball especially but also with the bat and Prior has shown himself to be a more than capable test match No 6.

However, I suspect they'll go Morgan.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7450 on: January 8, 2011, 09:19:11 am »
When do the 20-20 and ODI's start ?    and what do you think the team should be .
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7451 on: January 8, 2011, 09:26:11 am »
10 v Prime Minister's XI, Canberra
Play starts at 2245 GMT (9 January)

12 1st Twenty20 international, Adelaide (d/n)
Play starts at 0835 GMT

14 2nd Twenty20 international, Melbourne (d/n)
Play starts at 0835 GMT

16 1st ODI, Melbourne (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

21 2nd ODI, Hobart (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

23 3rd ODI, Sydney (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

26 4th ODI, Adelaide (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

30 5th ODI, Brisbane (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

February

2 6th ODI, Sydney (d/n)
Play starts at 0320 GMT

6 7th ODI, Perth
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Some Saturday games would of been nice !
 
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7452 on: January 8, 2011, 12:46:57 pm »
England V Prime Ministers X1 is actually live on telly Sunday which is nice

However I feel about women playing cricket, don't think she'll be any worse than some of the others they've put up, and she seems like a better captain at least  ;)
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7453 on: January 8, 2011, 01:33:57 pm »
Just a reminder.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7455 on: January 8, 2011, 02:29:22 pm »
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/nielsen-hilditch-in-gun-20110108-19jf9.html
Yes please to all of that.

Even if Hilditch does stay, it is likely he will be told in no uncertain terms what his focus will be.  Hopefully the following comment is the approach they focus on.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7456 on: January 8, 2011, 02:43:05 pm »
Even if Hilditch does stay, it is likely he will be told in no uncertain terms what his focus will be.  Hopefully the following comment is the approach they focus on.

Oh I agree. But he shouldn't stay. Darren Lehman I know has wanted the role before, how could he not get it now?

Concerning that actual dynamic of the team, I just recently listened to this http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/494980.html
An Ian Chappell summary of what made Mark Taylor good and it made me think of that Clarke-Neilson article I posted further up. Where Stuart Clark points to a possible power struggle between the two. In the summary Chappell talks about Simpson having too much control (Ian Chappell famously didn't like Simpson as coach). Now it cannot be denied that Simpson was a taskmaster who helped turn us into what we became but I also agree with Chappell in that coaches can become too controlling. The two main things he points to Taylor doing was a) regaining control of the team, and b) instilling the confidence in the Slaters and Waughs to play their natural games without the fear of a axing after a few failures. The Clarke-Neilson article I think demonstrates Clarke's desire to do both. Now I'm not pretending that we dont need a coach. Flower has shown that this is important, but as commentators have pointed out, he has appeared to be very backroom-helpful and there is no mistake that it is Strauss's team.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7457 on: January 8, 2011, 02:48:48 pm »
England v India this summer is something to really look forward to on the Test series front. One more chance to see Sachin having first seen him at Lords in 1990. Amazing he is still box office now.

Do you all think Morgan will go straight in at 6 for England or is there a possibility that we put Prior up to 6, Bressie 7, Broad 8, Swann 9 so we can get the extra pace man in ?

I think I'd like to see that as I think Bressie has got a bit more to offer than first meets the eye with ball especially but also with the bat and Prior has shown himself to be a more than capable test match No 6.

However, I suspect they'll go Morgan.

I'm pretty sure they'll go with Morgan and not revert to 5 front line bowlers, especially at home. Maybe in India next winter they might draft in Rashid as second spinner and have him at 7 but I don't see any other need for it.

As for Prior at 6, I don't agree with it unless we really need 5 bowlers like we would get in India. he's a perfect number 7 and the temptation should be resisted. Despite his average, which would decline if he were moved up the order I'd guess, he has too many weakness to be in the top six. Unlike Australia who fed his stronger points (wide outside off-stump) clever bowling attacks will focus on those weakness (full and swinging at and around the stumps), especially India and Zaheer Khan.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7458 on: January 8, 2011, 02:50:47 pm »
Clarke would concern me as a captain for a couple of reasons.
Firstly I have watched him bat through this series and he has no apparent plan nor semblance of one. When Anderson was bowling on the fourth evening in Sydney Clarke was just a wicket waiting to be taken, he had no idea at all which way the ball was moving and I genuinely felt pity for him when he nicked off, he was clueless.

There have been plenty of top batsmen in the same boat against Jimmy these last few years.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7459 on: January 8, 2011, 03:17:23 pm »
The final standings, well done top 3, as said before best thread thats been on RAWK for ages, so nice to be winning things again


1. Mavericks Nick Rayner 1411
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Thanks for posting, I just tried to find it on the site but it looks as though they've taken it down already!

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7460 on: January 8, 2011, 04:08:13 pm »
There have been plenty of top batsmen in the same boat against Jimmy these last few years.

Yes but not that were supposed to be the leader and future of a leading cricket country, really had no idea at all.

Still, onward and upward  ;D
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« Reply #7461 on: January 8, 2011, 04:39:15 pm »
He's in a rut BTI and faced quality bowling from Anderson. But I wouldn't getting too carried away with the gloating - Clarke is better than this and will do just fine. Time will tell, not one series as a batsman or one test as captain in a lost cause.

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« Reply #7462 on: January 8, 2011, 10:21:13 pm »
Haven't been in here since we won last night... did anyone else have a 2 am type radio fumble in the dark switching form LW to 5live? That whole shipping forecast panic moment? Jesus! I almost hyperventilated.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
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Haven't been in here since we won last night... did anyone else have a 2 am type radio fumble in the dark switching form LW to 5live? That whole shipping forecast panic moment? Jesus! I almost hyperventilated.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
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He bowls to the ri-igght....

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7467 on: January 9, 2011, 08:21:52 pm »
He's in a rut BTI and faced quality bowling from Anderson. But I wouldn't getting too carried away with the gloating - Clarke is better than this and will do just fine. Time will tell, not one series as a batsman or one test as captain in a lost cause.

Indeed, it was pretty remarkable how many Aussies were in desperate form for this series while for England apart from Collingwood everyone was firing.

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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7469 on: January 9, 2011, 11:50:50 pm »
Why has the batsman got white pads on, bit village.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7470 on: January 10, 2011, 12:12:03 am »
Anyone got a stream?
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« Reply #7472 on: January 10, 2011, 12:13:54 am »
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So as someone who doesnt follow cricket @ domestic level, whos this woakes guy bowling?
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« Reply #7473 on: January 10, 2011, 12:16:54 am »
Shahzad looks a little like Saj Mahmood did. Not very dependable, but maybe he just needs to get into his rhythm.
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7474 on: January 10, 2011, 12:36:30 am »
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« Reply #7475 on: January 10, 2011, 12:38:12 am »
Morning Nick, your sleep pattern still knackered too?
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7476 on: January 10, 2011, 12:43:08 am »
Morning Nick, your sleep pattern still knackered too?

I'm all over the place Jon. I put me head down for 20 mins at 4.30 and woke up at 8.40. Chance of me sleeping now are as close as the Australian top four scoring a century in the Ashes.

and a wicket to boot
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« Reply #7477 on: January 10, 2011, 12:43:48 am »
I'm all over the place Jon. I put me head down for 20 mins at 4.30 and woke up at 8.40. Chance of me sleeping now are as close as the Australian top four scoring a century in the Ashes.

and a wicket to boot
I'm sticking on this sleep cycle now got that bar job and it's late nights so may aswell carry on!
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« Reply #7478 on: January 10, 2011, 12:46:28 am »
I'm sticking on this sleep cycle now got that bar job and it's late nights so may aswell carry on!

Well done on getting the job. I am pleased for you.

i might set you a Who Am I ? post every day at this time, just to keep your mind alert  :P
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Re: Ashes 2010 - squad announcement, warm up's, Tests and ODI's
« Reply #7479 on: January 10, 2011, 12:50:51 am »
Absolutely plumb LBW there.

Commentator sugesting Doherty's change of pace must be like Yardy's. Yes.....I am sure it is ::)
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play