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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14360 on: November 30, 2022, 12:34:21 am »
Ah, I see we're now at the personal attack stage. Good for you.

Be that as it may, what does Joelinton do well in midfield that could only be replicated by signing someone for £40m? Further why would that then lead you to want to spend at the high end of the spectrum in the Bundesliga? You may happen upon a good player in a different position than you thought? Sancho didn't work out but Joelinton did in a different position so lets spend £100m on Wirtz, yes?

Joelinton not being an out and out striker would be news to Newcastle and Hoffenheim fans, he only started just about every game in a 2 for them before transfering.

Where is the personal attack there?

You know you can play in a 2 up top and not be an out and out striker? Where did someone say to go spend £100m on Wirtz?

He's proven he can play to a high standard for a top 4 team in the Premier League, that's going to cost you at least £40 million.
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« Reply #14361 on: November 30, 2022, 01:34:21 am »
Where is the personal attack there?

You know you can play in a 2 up top and not be an out and out striker? Where did someone say to go spend £100m on Wirtz?

He's proven he can play to a high standard for a top 4 team in the Premier League, that's going to cost you at least £40 million.

So saying someone learned a new word is just a normal pat on the back type thing for you?

As far as the rest, I think you should look at what my original point was and then get back to me.

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« Reply #14362 on: November 30, 2022, 08:35:00 am »
So your example is two best in the world type players from 6 and 7 years ago and one this season? The rest weren't top of the market which is what my point was but of course expecting people to read and understand the point isn't really necessary online.

Things are cyclical, there will be a time again when the league produces better talent. But for now to sit there and say all the failed transfers are due to all the different clubs, that's a stretch to say the least.

Dave, I didn't quite make it clear, I do agree with you, it's a league that is attack focused so allows attackers especially the space to flourish and pad stats etc that they might not necessarily get in other leagues. I was confident for example that Sancho wouldn't reach anywhere near the numbers he got at Dortmund, but didn't think he would bomb this badly.

My point was in addition to that, clubs in this league have too much money and not enough brains when signing players in general, and are signing players having a good season or 6 months and playing  them in different positions and formations than they are used to and expecting the same results.

Joelinton and Haller both played in a 2 and they were put up front on their own, Werner often played in a 2 at Leipzig, Havertz is more a number 10 in an era where we don't really play with 1, Pulisic was always talented but suffered with injuries, Utd signed Sancho to play right wing when I always found him better coming in off the left, then they proceeded to play him with a lamp post up front.

Even looking at my own club, we signed a wing back in Kolasinac who couldn't defend and played him in a back 4, it's took us years to get the best out of Xhaka eventually realising leaving him exposed as the deeper midfielder isn't a good idea, Sokratis was always just an ok defender. Auba was a success for the first 2 and a half years so can't argue with that.

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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14363 on: November 30, 2022, 10:42:13 am »
Bizarrely going to agree with Dave here. I dont think you can really class Joelinton as a success when he was signed as a striker and was so poor, so wasteful that he's ended up dropping into midfield and doing fairly well for half a season. If Darwin Nunez ends up as an adequate defensive midfielder and we have to then go and spend another shitload on a striker again because the one we signed hasn't worked as a striker (as Newcastle have had to do with Isak) then I dont think anyone will be painting Darwin as a good signing.
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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14364 on: November 30, 2022, 11:41:05 am »
I hate Joelinton and his short shorts. He is shite aswell.

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« Reply #14365 on: November 30, 2022, 05:54:23 pm »
Can't agree with that Lobo, if you sign a player and he ends up being good in any position then he's a success.
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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14366 on: November 30, 2022, 06:15:53 pm »
Can't agree with that Lobo, if you sign a player and he ends up being good in any position then he's a success.

And I guess regardless, he didn’t turn out to be the shit footballer many thought he was! It’s this thing about trying to prove a league is shit because of how signings do in other leagues. Yet somone like him didn’t light up the league he came from either. He just took a lot of time to get going, and yep, in a different role, he isn’t the first or the last player who’ll end up turning their careers around with a switch of position. And of course what was a hefty price tag at the time, put the spotlight on far more.
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« Reply #14367 on: November 30, 2022, 09:35:37 pm »
Dave, I didn't quite make it clear, I do agree with you, it's a league that is attack focused so allows attackers especially the space to flourish and pad stats etc that they might not necessarily get in other leagues. I was confident for example that Sancho wouldn't reach anywhere near the numbers he got at Dortmund, but didn't think he would bomb this badly.

My point was in addition to that, clubs in this league have too much money and not enough brains when signing players in general, and are signing players having a good season or 6 months and playing  them in different positions and formations than they are used to and expecting the same results.

Joelinton and Haller both played in a 2 and they were put up front on their own, Werner often played in a 2 at Leipzig, Havertz is more a number 10 in an era where we don't really play with 1, Pulisic was always talented but suffered with injuries, Utd signed Sancho to play right wing when I always found him better coming in off the left, then they proceeded to play him with a lamp post up front.

Even looking at my own club, we signed a wing back in Kolasinac who couldn't defend and played him in a back 4, it's took us years to get the best out of Xhaka eventually realising leaving him exposed as the deeper midfielder isn't a good idea, Sokratis was always just an ok defender. Auba was a success for the first 2 and a half years so can't argue with that.

I'm just saying it can't be all the clubs. If they were all run the exact same way you'd have a point but even if we concede they are run poorly they are run poorly in completely different ways. So to say it blanketly explains everything is just ridiculous. I get that some want to defend the Bundesliga and that's fine but they are blinded to the fact that I'm not really attacking it per se more than just saying their players are over valued. If Havertz or Sancho had cost half then it's a totally different discussion.

Can't agree with that Lobo, if you sign a player and he ends up being good in any position then he's a success.

So if you bought a striker for £40m instead of a midfielder for £20m and the £40m striker ends up being a decent midfielder but worse than the one you could have bought for £20m then it's a success? That's bonkers and no "real" club could actually afford to live that way.

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« Reply #14368 on: November 30, 2022, 09:37:57 pm »
When did that happen?
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« Reply #14369 on: November 30, 2022, 09:54:24 pm »

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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14370 on: December 1, 2022, 10:15:04 am »
Can't agree with that Lobo, if you sign a player and he ends up being good in any position then he's a success.

If you spend £40 million on a striker and he’s so bad as a striker that you convert him into a half decent midfielder, it’s not a success. He’s just the modern day Brazilian Alan Smith.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #14371 on: December 1, 2022, 10:20:33 am »
And I guess regardless, he didn’t turn out to be the shit footballer many thought he was! It’s this thing about trying to prove a league is shit because of how signings do in other leagues. Yet somone like him didn’t light up the league he came from either. He just took a lot of time to get going, and yep, in a different role, he isn’t the first or the last player who’ll end up turning their careers around with a switch of position. And of course what was a hefty price tag at the time, put the spotlight on far more.

He isn't exactly pulling up trees in midfield though is he? I watched him live against us this season and he is just average/shite.

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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14372 on: December 1, 2022, 11:04:48 am »
If you spend £40 million on a striker and he’s so bad as a striker that you convert him into a half decent midfielder, it’s not a success. He’s just the modern day Brazilian Alan Smith.

To be fair to him whilst Newcastle may well have spent £40 million on what they thought was a striker I'm not sure he actually was one. Happy to be corrected on this one but if I recall correctly he was in reality a bit of an 'in between' sort of player rather than an out and out striker  Which makes Newcastle look pretty stupid and does absolve Joelinton somewhat.

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« Reply #14373 on: December 1, 2022, 12:19:05 pm »
If you spend £40 million on a striker and he’s so bad as a striker that you convert him into a half decent midfielder, it’s not a success. He’s just the modern day Brazilian Alan Smith.

But what if he was destined to be a midfielder all along and it was the others who had got it wrong. When a signing plays well for you and contributes to the success of the team then I don't care if he was initially signed as a goalkeeper, it's still a good signing  ;D

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« Reply #14374 on: December 1, 2022, 12:55:10 pm »
That 40m fee was agreed between a chairman who wanted to show spending and a chairman who wanted to show earnings, wasn't it?


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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14375 on: December 1, 2022, 12:55:19 pm »
Real question - in FIFA 23 is he listed as a Mid or Striker now? I'm waiting for my son's copy to arrive today.

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« Reply #14376 on: December 4, 2022, 12:57:24 pm »
Another signing for Forest. Gustavo Scarpa from Palmeiras, an attacking mid who's won a couple of Brazilian Championships and Copa Libertadores titles with them in the past few years. Quite an impressive signing actually.

Seems like an interesting character judging by his wikipedia page ...

Scarpa is well-known for his hobbies, including skateboarding, rock music, Rubik's cubes, wakeboarding and reading novels, all of which have received extensive attention thanks to his posts on social media and goal celebrations. Among his favourite pre-game songs are Dire Straits's "Sultans of Swing" and Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird," and his favourite books include Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis and Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov. In 2018, Palmeiras posted a video on social media of Scarpa playing the club's anthem on electric guitar to celebrate World Rock Day. In 2022, after Scarpa's love of Rubik's cubes went viral on social media, Palmeiras began to sell personalised Rubik's cubes in their club shop in his honour.
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Re: THE NON-LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD
« Reply #14377 on: December 4, 2022, 01:35:49 pm »
Another signing for Forest. Gustavo Scarpa from Palmeiras, an attacking mid who's won a couple of Brazilian Championships and Copa Libertadores titles with them in the past few years. Quite an impressive signing actually.

Seems like an interesting character judging by his wikipedia page ...

Scarpa is well-known for his hobbies, including skateboarding, rock music, Rubik's cubes, wakeboarding and reading novels, all of which have received extensive attention thanks to his posts on social media and goal celebrations. Among his favourite pre-game songs are Dire Straits's "Sultans of Swing" and Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird," and his favourite books include Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis and Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov. In 2018, Palmeiras posted a video on social media of Scarpa playing the club's anthem on electric guitar to celebrate World Rock Day. In 2022, after Scarpa's love of Rubik's cubes went viral on social media, Palmeiras began to sell personalised Rubik's cubes in their club shop in his honour.

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« Reply #14378 on: December 4, 2022, 01:52:36 pm »
But he doesn't play as a striker anymore, he plays as a midfielder. He was never an out and out striker to begin with.

I see you've learned a new word for the day, brilliant, he's much better than acceptable or adequate though. I said it's the going rate these days as in if they were to go out and buy a midfielder comparable to Joelinton in January he'd cost at least 40 million.

I'd always thought it was a made up word on The Simpsons, the things you learn on RAWK eh?
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« Reply #14379 on: Yesterday at 09:29:39 am »
Sounds like Wolves will be getting Matheus Cunha in January.

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« Reply #14380 on: Yesterday at 10:59:28 am »
Sounds like Wolves will be getting Matheus Cunha in January.

About his level really, or at least Wolves working correctly is. Too good for Hertha, not good enough for teams playing in European competition. Still quite young so could maybe kick on from there

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« Reply #14381 on: Yesterday at 05:37:39 pm »
Sounds like Wolves will be getting Matheus Cunha in January.

He should do well for them. Not dirty enough for Simeone's team ...

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« Reply #14382 on: Yesterday at 10:25:50 pm »
Another signing for Forest. Gustavo Scarpa from Palmeiras, an attacking mid who's won a couple of Brazilian Championships and Copa Libertadores titles with them in the past few years. Quite an impressive signing actually.

Seems like an interesting character judging by his wikipedia page ...

Scarpa is well-known for his hobbies, including skateboarding, rock music, Rubik's cubes, wakeboarding and reading novels, all of which have received extensive attention thanks to his posts on social media and goal celebrations. Among his favourite pre-game songs are Dire Straits's "Sultans of Swing" and Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Free Bird," and his favourite books include Franz Kafka's The Metamorphosis and Fyodor Dostoevsky's Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov. In 2018, Palmeiras posted a video on social media of Scarpa playing the club's anthem on electric guitar to celebrate World Rock Day. In 2022, after Scarpa's love of Rubik's cubes went viral on social media, Palmeiras began to sell personalised Rubik's cubes in their club shop in his honour.

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He is well read and speaks several languages.