Topic: Jeffrey Epstein confidante Ghislaine Maxwell sentenced to 20 years

[Elmo!]

Apologies.

Don't sweat it.

[AndyInVA]

She has to abide by the NDA in public but nothing can stop her talking to law enforcement or testifying in a court of law.

Thanks. I wondered about that. I would have assumed if Andrew wanted it buried then he would try to stop her testifying in actions brought by other girls, the same way Epstein tried to stop Guiffre testifying against his 'unnamed friends'.

[KurtVerbose]

Thanks. I wondered about that. I would have assumed if Andrew wanted it buried then he would try to stop her testifying in actions brought by other girls, the same way Epstein tried to stop Guiffre testifying against his 'unnamed friends'.

That's not what her agreement with Epstein said. It stopped her from pursuing civil actions against 'Other Potential Defendants' in either state or federal courts. The judge in Andrew's case said there's no such thing as a 'potential defendant', and it was drawn so broadly that it was meaningless. Also, it was secret, so no 'potential defendant' would know about it.

In any case, if I murdered your partner, just because we make a settlement that we keep it secret in return for me paying you off doesn't mean if the police ask you about it you are unable to tell them. Such a clause would be unenforceable.

[KurtVerbose]

There's talk that the settlement was £12m, and that's before lawyer fees and court costs. Probably +£15 all in.

[Nobby Reserve]

[Dr. Beaker]

Andrew should be publicly stripped of all his military paraphernalia a la Chuck Connors in Branded.

[KurtVerbose]

Andrew should be publicly stripped of all his military paraphernalia a la Chuck Connors in Branded.

Fixed for you. 

[Tesco tearaway]

Fixed for you. 

Each to their own I suppose

[TSC]

Now Charles under ‘cash for honours’ investigation

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/met-cash-for-honours-prince-charles-foundation-charity-b982858.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=section_banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3

[Brissyred]

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[kavah]

Ha ha 

[west_london_red]

Now Charles under ‘cash for honours’ investigation

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/met-cash-for-honours-prince-charles-foundation-charity-b982858.html?itm_source=Internal&itm_channel=section_banner&itm_campaign=breaking-news-ticker&itm_content=3

Let’s be honest, the fucking Tories make a fortune out of handing out honours to their mates and each other and no one bats an eyelid at it so hardly surprising Charles mate are at it too.

[So… Howard Philips]

Another one bites the dust in 'mysterious' circumstances.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60443518

[Dr. Beaker]

You're next Jizzer.

[jambutty]

The list of old, powerful men refreshing themselves at the fountain of impressionable youth has been around since Adam were a lad.

Bet there's more than a few of them hiding assets, maintaining a low profile, and answering calls very cautiously these days.

[So… Howard Philips]

The list of old, powerful men refreshing themselves at the fountain of impressionable youth has been around since Adam were a lad.

Bet there's more than a few of them hiding assets, maintaining a low profile, and answering calls very cautiously these days.

Silvio Berlusconi says hello.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Two people with information on some of the most powerful men in the world allegedly sleeping with underage girls, both hanging themselves in their prison cells before they could go to trial, and the security cameras had briefly stopped working in both cases? I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

[vblfc]

If I read it properly this guy in France is another one that V Guiffre was trafficked to and she was going to testify a his trial. She really has been brave to face up to these nasty but powerfully connected people. I’m glad she took Andrew’s case as far as she did. Must be many other powerful people out there feeling very uneasy.

[KurtVerbose]

[jambutty]

When she tells her guards "See you in the morning."  They respond "Maybe."

[So… Howard Philips]

Andrew Windsor formerly known as ‘The Prince’?

[KurtVerbose]

Andrew Windsor, the Ar$e formerly known as ‘The Prince’?

[shy_talk]

Forgive the Express, its the lesser of many evils but if its still 'non grata' kibosh it replace as you deem fit.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1590449/Prince-Andrew-Fergie-Duchess-of-York-delete-HRH-instagram-post

the (C)Harm offensive by this lemon isn't going to stop. "a changed man". pi** the f*** off!

[jambutty]

Associated Press
Judge upholds Ghislaine Maxwell's sex trafficking conviction
By LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press - 1h ago

NEW YORK (AP) — A judge concluded Friday that there was enough evidence to convict British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell of sex trafficking girls for financier Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse, but she also gave Maxwell a legal victory by concluding that three conspiracy counts charged the same crime and she can only be sentenced for one.

U.S. District Judge Alison J. Nathan said in her written ruling that the jury’s guilty verdicts were “readily supported” by extensive witness testimony and documentary evidence at a one-month trial that concluded in December.

Lawyers for Maxwell had asked her to reject the verdict on multiple grounds, including insufficient evidence.

Maxwell, 60, was convicted of recruiting teenage girls for financier Jeffrey Epstein to sexually abuse from 1994 to 2004.

Nathan said that she'll only sentence Maxwell in late June on three of the five counts she was convicted on after concluding that two conspiracy counts were duplicates of the third.

“This legal conclusion in no way calls into question the factual findings made by the jury. Rather, it underscores that the jury unanimously found — three times over — that the Defendant is guilty of conspiring with Epstein to entice, transport, and traffic underage girls for sexual abuse,” Nathan wrote.

The reduction of counts from five to three was not expected to have much effect on the sentencing, when Maxwell could face a sentence ranging from several years to decades in prison.

Lawyers for Maxwell did not return messages requesting comment. Prosecutors declined comment.

Earlier this month, the judge refused to toss out Maxwell's conviction after a juror disclosed to other jurors during jury deliberations that he had been sexually abused as a child even though he had not revealed that fact in response to questions about prior sex abuse posed in a written questionnaire.

The juror had said he “skimmed way too fast” through the questionnaire and did not intentionally give the wrong answer to a question about sex abuse.

In refusing to toss the verdict, Nathan said the juror’s failure to disclose his prior sexual abuse during the jury selection process was highly unfortunate, but not deliberate.

The judge also concluded the juror “harbored no bias toward the defendant and could serve as a fair and impartial juror.”

Maxwell, arrested in July 2020, has remained incarcerated. Epstein was 66 when he took his own life in a federal jail cell in August 2019 as he awaited a sex trafficking trial.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/judge-upholds-ghislaine-maxwell-s-sex-trafficking-conviction/ar-AAWKOYB?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c0549698e2ea48999c12224b875928cc

[bigbonedrawky]

Saw this bumped thought, she was dead.

[Dr. Beaker]

Her oily face keeps slipping out of the noose.

[Ray K]

Sentenced to 20 years imprisonment by a federal judge today. Being a federal case, she'll serve at least 17-18 years of that.


Good. Now go after the men.

[Commie Bobbie]

Sentenced to 20 years imprisonment by a federal judge today. Being a federal case, she'll serve at least 17-18 years of that.


Good. Now go after the men.

She's definitely whistled...

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Sentenced to 20 years imprisonment by a federal judge today. Being a federal case, she'll serve at least 17-18 years of that.


Good. Now go after the men.

Lots of the men I've heard mentioned as being part of this whole affair are either too high profile/well connected/rich to get any kind of conviction.

[rushyman]

Wonder how long it’ll be before she accidentally brutally cuts her head off while combing her hair?

[KurtVerbose]

Anyone hazard a guess what she would've got if she'd been tried in England?

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Anyone hazard a guess what she would've got if she'd been tried in England?

A seat in the House of Lords or something.

[capt k]

A seat in the House of Lords or something.

i shouldnt ... BUT 

[Kenny's Jacket]

She's definitely whistled...

Her sentence seems very light.  Especially when you look at the draconian sentences handed out in America.

Snitches get stitches.'

[Red Beret]

Her sentence seems very light.  Especially when you look at the draconian sentences handed out in America.

Snitches get stitches.'

This. An American friend of mine is raging. There are people over there serving life sentences for being caught with weed. For what she's done, 20 years is ridiculous.

[BarryCrocker]

She's definitely whistled...

I'd say more like the opposite. Kept her mouth shut.

[Red-Soldier]

This. An American friend of mine is raging. There are people over there serving life sentences for being caught with weed. For what she's done, 20 years is ridiculous.

The probation officers recommended 20 years, and that is what the judge gave her.  Seems pretty standard to me.

[Kenny's Jacket]

The probation officers recommended 20 years, and that is what the judge gave her.  Seems pretty standard to me.

A quick search gives 3 examples people getting over 120 years each for basically theft.

[Nobby Reserve]

A seat in the House of Lords or something.

 

[Red-Soldier]

A quick search gives 3 examples people getting over 120 years each for basically theft.

I don't have much experience of US law, but in the UK, the judges sentence is often similar to the probation dept recommendations.

I don't know what the recommendations were, or any other details, in the cases you mention.  Being black often increases your sentence in the US too.