Topic: Atmosphere at Anfield

[Indomitable_Carp]

Some good contributions from everyone in here.

For me the issue isn´t one of newcomers, regulars or every-now-and-theners. I think most of us agree that we could do entirely without the out-and-out tourists who have clearly paid well over the odds and put a load of money in the hands of a tout (who we could very obviously do without). I mean the stadium is big enough that there should be enough space for a couple of thousand out-and-out tourists to get tickets via the regular route, and I wouldn´t have a problem with it. What I don´t want to see is out-and-out tourists sat up in the £9 L-Postcode section, knowing they have probably paid at least 10-15 times the odds and denied one of the 500 seats in a stadium of 51,000+ set aside for locals. But again, that is the fault of touts, who are most likely local....

Regarding the passing on of tickets, of course it is better they are passed on then the seat simply not sat in. Indeed, if it wasn´t for tickets getting passed on, I´d go half as much as I do now, because getting tickets through the General Sales is practically a none-starter most of the time (and, as has been noted, almost never for League games). I do think if you have a season ticket, you should be obliged to personally attend a certain number of games, however.

But all that aside, I simply don´t see anyway of changing the atmosphere or getting a new generation on board within the confines of the ticketing system. For most people, and especially potential-young-regulars without connections, ticket sales are basically a closed shop. For me, the only thing that would consistently change the atmosphere and get a whole new generation in, is 10,000+ (let's say the whole Kop) tickets that are set aside to be bought in person and on the day. First come first serve, as it used to be. That way if you rock up with a group of mates, and you are there early enough, you can sit with your mates - and even if you are separated, you are in a stand with likeminded people. Not to mention it would have to be affordable (say £20 a ticket)

However, I also know that simply won´t happen. Aside from the logistics of it around Anfield, the club aren´t going to want to sacrifice the guaranteed income of pre-bought tickets. Which is why Anfield will only get older and older.

[Ghost Town]

Some good contributions from everyone in here.

For me the issue isn´t one of newcomers, regulars or every-now-and-theners. I think most of us agree that we could do entirely without the out-and-out tourists who have clearly paid well over the odds and put a load of money in the hands of a tout (who we could very obviously do without). I mean the stadium is big enough that there should be enough space for a couple of thousand out-and-out tourists to get tickets via the regular route, and I wouldn´t have a problem with it. What I don´t want to see is out-and-out tourists sat up in the £9 L-Postcode section, knowing they have probably paid at least 10-15 times the odds and denied one of the 500 seats in a stadium of 51,000+ set aside for locals. But again, that is the fault of touts, who are most likely local....

Regarding the passing on of tickets, of course it is better they are passed on then the seat simply not sat in. Indeed, if it wasn´t for tickets getting passed on, I´d go half as much as I do now, because getting tickets through the General Sales is practically a none-starter most of the time (and, as has been noted, almost never for League games). I do think if you have a season ticket, you should be obliged to personally attend a certain number of games, however.

But all that aside, I simply don´t see anyway of changing the atmosphere or getting a new generation on board within the confines of the ticketing system. For most people, and especially potential-young-regulars without connections, ticket sales are basically a closed shop. For me, the only thing that would consistently change the atmosphere and get a whole new generation in, is 10,000+ (let's say the whole Kop) tickets that are set aside to be bought in person and on the day. First come first serve, as it used to be. That way if you rock up with a group of mates, and you are there early enough, you can sit with your mates - and even if you are separated, you are in a stand with likeminded people. Not to mention it would have to be affordable (say £20 a ticket)

However, I also know that simply won´t happen. Aside from the logistics of it around Anfield, the club aren´t going to want to sacrifice the guaranteed income of pre-bought tickets. Which is why Anfield will only get older and older.

Good post

On your last point, about mates sitting together, which I agree wholeheartedly with, maybe thats someting that can return if safe-standing is reintroduced. i.e for the safe standing sections you dont buy for aparticular seat/spot, but for the section. Then once in there you stand together with your mates. Obviously a strict control on how many tickets are sold for the section, with maybe even another turnstile that counts people in a stops any more entries after the max is reached.

[swoopy]

Non-existant.
Morons taking selfies through the game when we're 2 down.
Snapchats. People looking at other scores on their phones.

Absolutely no point. How can we have 35k season ticket holders that go to each game and things be as bad as that today.

Knew it was going to be awful when YNWA didn't even get finished off properly.

[John C]

I think a lot of us there gazed up at the developing Anny Rd than down at the footy at times.

[Fromola]

Non-existant.
Morons taking selfies through the game when we're 2 down.
Snapchats. People looking at other scores on their phones.

Absolutely no point. How can we have 35k season ticket holders that go to each game and things be as bad as that today.

Knew it was going to be awful when YNWA didn't even get finished off properly.

3pm Saturdays are always like that.

[gazzalfc]

Lower Kenny is usually a crowd of moaning arses but today was off the scale

[jack witham]

Was in !07 on the kop today,absolutely dreadful.
I have been watching Liverpool for the best part of 60 years and today was as bad as I can ever remember.
I am sorry to say that with the exception of a couple of hundred at the back of the kop ,nobody is arsed.
Ils like going to a theme park ,everyone wants a selfie,look at me i am at Anfield.
Fucking atrocious,
As someone said they never even finished singing YNWA, what has become of us,it breaks my fucking heart to see it like this.
I am sorry but its gone and we wont get it back.

[swoopy]

3pm Saturdays are always like that.

It's just becoming the norm regardless of KO time now. The people that go and watch are there for "the experience" rather than to support the team and its awful. Don't understand how it can be the case when the majority in the ground are those on 13+ and STHs. Just shows exactly how many tickets are being passed round for christ knows how much.

[Fromola]

It's just becoming the norm regardless of KO time now. The people that go and watch are there for "the experience" rather than to support the team and its awful. Don't understand how it can be the case when the majority in the ground are those on 13+ and STHs. Just shows exactly how many tickets are being passed round for christ knows how much.

Probably but 3pm Saturdays are always a bad atmosphere.

See what the Rangers game brings. I think a lot of people are just pissed off, added to the fact they've changed the way tickets are sold.

[ToneLa]

State of our fans and I couldn't get any tickets

I'd sing in my scarf holding it high even two nil down

[TwitterJayy]

From personal experience this and many won’t agree but going to any league games is shite. Just full of tourists and glory hunters!

I generally believe that league games now is just for tourists and hardly any scousers especially the young ones, get to go anymore. However cups have been easier for us locals but even now especially champions league games it’s getting harder and you can see with the atmosphere.

Can somebody tell me the last time we had a decent atmosphere that wasn’t in a game that’s classed as big?

[Redric1970]

From personal experience this and many won’t agree but going to any league games is shite. Just full of tourists and glory hunters!

I generally believe that league games now is just for tourists and hardly any scousers especially the young ones, get to go anymore. However cups have been easier for us locals but even now especially champions league games it’s getting harder and you can see with the atmosphere.

Can somebody tell me the last time we had a decent atmosphere that wasn’t in a game that’s classed as big?

I don’t buy into that crap, I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace, and still my favourite atmosphere is the smallest attendance 23,000 against auxerre. I myself am from london and I chant and scream as much as anyone, I have a scouser who sits directly behind me and has done for years and all he ever does is moan and whinge, it doesn’t matter where you are from some fans are more vocal than the others.

[andy07]

I don’t buy into that crap, I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace, and still my favourite atmosphere is the smallest attendance 23,000 against auxerre. I myself am from london and I chant and scream as much as anyone, I have a scouser who sits directly behind me and has done for years and all he ever does is moan and whinge, it doesn’t matter where you are from some fans are more vocal than the others.

Some of the worst are Scouse.  Don’t sing, don’t wear colours, just moan.  Maybe they should fuck off to the waterfront stadium when it opens, they would be in their element.

[bird_lfc]

It’s been sing when you’re winning or jump on the bandwagon at a big European game for as long as I can remember to be honest

Yes the ‘tourists’ are a drain on the atmopshere, but the blame is equal along with the local season ticket holders actually selling off their tickets and the other locals who just stand their with a face like a slapped arse as mentioned above

[Redric1970]

Some of the worst are Scouse.  Don’t sing, don’t wear colours, just moan.  Maybe they should fuck off to the waterfront stadium when it opens, they would be in their element.

The only point I’m trying to make is the fact it doesn’t matter where your from some fans scream their heads off and others sit on their hands and moan non stop.

[RedBec1993]

Sat all over Anfield, 306 by far the best Atmosphere by a country mile.

Can’t blame the tourists like, sat in the local £9 seats today, lots of tourists taking pictures during the game and locals getting annoyed. But they’ve prob been charged about £100 for a £9 ticket.

Don’t think it’s right blaming scousers either. The atmosphere is bad when things aren’t going our way, as with any club, but we pride ourselves on our home support and it’s quite disappointing when you get looked at weird for screaming and singing by a tourist with their camera out.

[Ghost Town]

It's just becoming the norm regardless of KO time now. The people that go and watch are there for "the experience" rather than to support the team and its awful. Don't understand how it can be the case when the majority in the ground are those on 13+ and STHs. Just shows exactly how many tickets are being passed round for christ knows how much.

Does it? Or does it just show that 13+ and STHs are no different from non-STH: i.e some will sing and create atmosphere; most won't. That's the sad state of modern fandom.

I know many don't want to hear it, but I know for a fact that some STHs are among the worst at creating atmosphere; it's almost like they feel they've ponied up and now wish to be entertained without contributing anything further. And they're just as free with their phones as anyone, because phone use isn't just about capturing memories it's about capturing content for their SM and that applies to all types of attendees.

Meanwhile a lot of 'tourists' at least try and make an effort. They might not know all the songs (maybe we can go back to the old days of song sheets?) but they try and make a noise while some of the regular old arses sit there with a cob on.

And then there's all the many who are non-STH and probably non-local but who go regularly. And who contribute as much as possible to the atmosphere because they truly appreciate their good fortune, and understand what a privilege it is to be there, unlike some STH who have forgotten what it's like to have to work to get a ticket.

I'm pretty confident that even if they made the stadium 100% STH the atmosphere would be little different. Then who would people blame?

Obviously I'm playing devil's advocate a bit here; I'm not really intending to trash STH, many of whom are perfectly fine. But I'm trying to underline that poor atmosphere is a modern phenomenon regardless of the source of your ticket and just moaning on about 'tourists' and phones won't solve anything or make the problem better, though like all scapregoating, it might make those doing it feel better.

[Ghost Town]

I don’t buy into that crap, I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace, and still my favourite atmosphere is the smallest attendance 23,000 against auxerre. I myself am from london and I chant and scream as much as anyone, I have a scouser who sits directly behind me and has done for years and all he ever does is moan and whinge, it doesn’t matter where you are from some fans are more vocal than the others.

Yep

[andy07]

Sat all over Anfield, 306 by far the best Atmosphere by a country mile.

Can’t blame the tourists like, sat in the local £9 seats today, lots of tourists taking pictures during the game and locals getting annoyed. But they’ve prob been charged about £100 for a £9 ticket.

Don’t think it’s right blaming scousers either. The atmosphere is bad when things aren’t going our way, as with any club, but we pride ourselves on our home support and it’s quite disappointing when you get looked at weird for screaming and singing by a tourist with their camera out.

Mentioned earlier about 23000 at Auxerre which was one of the best atmospheres ever.  There will have been at least 25000 locals in the ground today, so no reason other than apathy for the atrocious atmosphere.  And this is not dissing those who are out of the area who gave it loads today.

[Redric1970]

Sat all over Anfield, 306 by far the best Atmosphere by a country mile.

Can’t blame the tourists like, sat in the local £9 seats today, lots of tourists taking pictures during the game and locals getting annoyed. But they’ve prob been charged about £100 for a £9 ticket.

Don’t think it’s right blaming scousers either. The atmosphere is bad when things aren’t going our way, as with any club, but we pride ourselves on our home support and it’s quite disappointing when you get looked at weird for screaming and singing by a tourist with their camera out.

Absolutely you can’t put blame on locals or non locals I’ve been going to anfield for nearly 40 years and I remember anfield being dead even back then and you could blame tourists back then.

[RainbowFlick]

bit bizarre to me that people expected a big atmosphere... it's brighton, we're shite and it's the first half of the season still.

seen quite a few families manage to take kids etc for the first time today. it is what it is. the way the additional members sale and ballot sales are probably don't help in getting a consistent crowd together but eh.

[CornerTakenQuickly]

It's not even as though just people in the 300s sing. It's now the back few rows of the 300s some will sing. Constantly straining my voice trying to carry the noise down to where I was in row 63. Don't know what to suggest to fix this- it's just atrocious. Felt more angry at the crowd than our defence today. I've only been going a few years so maybe I'm naive to think the crowd would still be behind the side when they're playing like they are. Can see the players are just as frustrated as we all are. Saw a few gesturing towards the crowd for more noise after we'd gone 3-2 up. How were we so quiet when we made a 3 goal comeback? Its baffling. Then there was no real response from the crowd when Brighton equalised. 10 minutes left to find a winner would have got the crowd crazy in recent years but it was just silent. Don't think there's a particular set of fans to blame. It's really a collective thing. In general as a fan base we don't seem to have the resilience that we should have because we've been spoilt with success. Its as though people stop caring if we're not in a title battle.

[TwitterJayy]

I don’t buy into that crap, I’ve had a season ticket on the kop since it was a terrace, and still my favourite atmosphere is the smallest attendance 23,000 against auxerre. I myself am from london and I chant and scream as much as anyone, I have a scouser who sits directly behind me and has done for years and all he ever does is moan and whinge, it doesn’t matter where you are from some fans are more vocal than the others.

Don’t buy into it but just saying our best atmosphere at home in my opinion was Leicester in the cup…
Very easy and lots of young local fans…

Not starting any debate but clearly you can see the new glory hunters from a mile away. Tickets was in demand and the atmosphere was shite.

[Redric1970]

Don’t buy into it but just saying our best atmosphere at home in my opinion was Leicester in the cup…
Very easy and lots of young local fans…

Not starting any debate but clearly you can see the new glory hunters from a mile away. Tickets was in demand and the atmosphere was shite.

I know what your saying buddy, but you will never get every fan singing and when I started going in the 80s and there definitely wasnt as many tourists as people call them the atmosphere was still crap except for the big games, the only difference was the kop as a terrace was 1000 times better as a fan.

[MPowerYNWA]

The fans could at least have sung the Klopp song more - yes things are bad on the field, but at least give the manager working miracles some love!

I have noticed the atmosphere usually follows how intense the players are pressing - that has become the modern day substitute for the old bone crunching challenge.

[TwitterJayy]

I know what your saying buddy, but you will never get every fan singing and when I started going in the 80s and there definitely wasnt as many tourists as people call them the atmosphere was still crap except for the big games, the only difference was the kop as a terrace was 1000 times better as a fan.

Don’t expect anything like the old days but it’s gone to something I’d never have imagined.
When we was 3-2 up, it should of been bouncing after being 2-0 down…

Sad times because we already mentioned, nows the time to get behind the lads!

[Bembo10]

It won’t even be good for Rangers. I can see it now. They will put song us 100%. It wasn’t even good when we were in the fight for the title. I see so many absolute whoppers, grinning  and taking photos when we’re 2-0 down and I can’t tell you what I want to do with the p*cks. I look at every other league and see passionate fans. Even United last year as painful as it is to say had a decent atmosphere.

This video sums it up really:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyLimbs/status/1576274606897319937?t=QQxcB_8jbKgMGIAWJh9kkw&s=08

[RedBec1993]

It won’t even be good for Rangers. I can see it now. They will put song us 100%. It wasn’t even good when we were in the fight for the title. I see so many absolute whoppers, grinning  and taking photos when we’re 2-0 down and I can’t tell you what I want to do with the p*cks. I look at every other league and see passionate fans. Even United last year as painful as it is to say had a decent atmosphere.

This video sums it up really:

https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyLimbs/status/1576274606897319937?t=QQxcB_8jbKgMGIAWJh9kkw&s=08

Whilst I understand a club as big as ours will have day trippers, it’s still infuriating when you see people with their phones out for a corner/free kick etc… does my head right in. Or getting their phone out to video when we score. Abysmal. What happened to living and enjoying in the moment. The best atmosphere for me so far this season was the back of 306, none stop singing all game and a huge let off when we scored the winner. Was weird in the upper main yesterday, the kop were singing allez allez allez, and some in the upper main were doing some mad clap like we were about to take a corner. I just looked and thought wtf. I do feel sorry for the day trippers/tourists who quite clearly are paying over the odds for their tickets. Like by me yesterday in the £9 area local seats.

[gravy red]

Why we are questioning atmosphere at home (only) is beyond me. Yes I know how passionate we are (or should be!) but this is also happening, and has been for a few years. Our AWAY support is just as bad. If not worse. I’ve been going home away, Europe for too many years to remember. You only have to look at games like Bournemouth away to see what’s happening with (OUR) support. Different type of (supporters) these days which generate a different experience to the match going fan, supporters or what ever label you want to give.

[davidsteventon]

The league start has been a disaster. Everyone knows it. It all reflects it.

Everyone sort of knows this league season is now a bit pointless where we have to go through the motions.  (Players included).

I'd expect if we go on a run for top 4 it will come back a bit.

[mikeb58]

I think it's just a generational thing, when I was in the Kop in the 70' you lived for that Sat afternoon. Got in the ground early, had a laugh, good piss take and a sing a long. The Kop wasn't always at full pelt, but it was never dull.

That was your 90 minutes to live the game, so you didn't try and miss a thing as that moment maybe gone forever.

These days, everything is too sterile, sanitised and diluted for my liking, every moment of the game is filmed, dissected and analysised to the point of boredom. No chance you'll miss anything these days, the spontaneity and enjoyment of a 'live' event is not the same anymore in my opinion, it's hard to create a worthy atmosphere in such surroundings.

When I went to the match, 20 odd thousand (mainly local fellas) had fuck all else to do in The Kop but make the most of their time in the ground.

For a variety of reasons, it's obvious now the current version The Kop will never be as raucous or as spontaneous as back in the 60/70s. Times change, and your average Kopite now is a bit different to a long time ago, probably a bit more affluent for a start!

The only way I can see to improve atmosphere (and it's been discussed endlessly before) is a cheaper, standing area in The Kop for like minded fans, younger fans in particular, out to enjoy themselves, have a laugh and to vocally get behind the Reds, win lose or draw.

[jillcwhomever]

I think it's just a generational thing, when I was in the Kop in the 70' you lived for that Sat afternoon. Got in the ground early, had a laugh, good piss take and a sing a long. The Kop wasn't always at full pelt, but it was never dull.

That was your 90 minutes to live the game, so you didn't try and miss a thing as that moment maybe gone forever.

These days, everything is too sterile, sanitised and diluted for my liking, every moment of the game is filmed, dissected and analysised to the point of boredom. No chance you'll miss anything these days, the spontaneity and enjoyment of a 'live' event is not the same anymore in my opinion, it's hard to create a worthy atmosphere in such surroundings.

When I went to the match, 20 odd thousand (mainly local fellas) had fuck all else to do in The Kop but make the most of their time in the ground.

For a variety of reasons, it's obvious now the current version The Kop will never be as raucous or as spontaneous as back in the 60/70s. Times change, and your average Kopite now is a bit different to a long time ago, probably a bit more affluent for a start!

The only way I can see to improve atmosphere (and it's been discussed endlessly before) is a cheaper, standing area in The Kop for like minded fans, younger fans in particular, out to enjoy themselves, have a laugh and to vocally get behind the Reds, win lose or draw.

Great post, Mike. Especially the spontaneity and enjoyment aspect of it, sometimes you cannot get away from football now and it just kills all the passion for it. Nothing is off limits everything is discussed to death.

[So… Howard Philips]

Mentioned earlier about 23000 at Auxerre which was one of the best atmospheres ever.  There will have been at least 25000 locals in the ground today, so no reason other than apathy for the atrocious atmosphere.  And this is not dissing those who are out of the area who gave it loads today.

It’s been going on for years. In 1976/7 me and my mates had the same spec on the Kop. Close by were this bunch of, to us, middle aged but certainly miserable, sour faced fuckers who moaned about everything, particularly Ian Callaghan for some bizarre reason.

That said no one paid them any attention and just got behind the team with spectacular results.

[Bembo10]

I think it's just a generational thing, when I was in the Kop in the 70' you lived for that Sat afternoon. Got in the ground early, had a laugh, good piss take and a sing a long. The Kop wasn't always at full pelt, but it was never dull.

That was your 90 minutes to live the game, so you didn't try and miss a thing as that moment maybe gone forever.

These days, everything is too sterile, sanitised and diluted for my liking, every moment of the game is filmed, dissected and analysised to the point of boredom. No chance you'll miss anything these days, the spontaneity and enjoyment of a 'live' event is not the same anymore in my opinion, it's hard to create a worthy atmosphere in such surroundings.

When I went to the match, 20 odd thousand (mainly local fellas) had fuck all else to do in The Kop but make the most of their time in the ground.

For a variety of reasons, it's obvious now the current version The Kop will never be as raucous or as spontaneous as back in the 60/70s. Times change, and your average Kopite now is a bit different to a long time ago, probably a bit more affluent for a start!

The only way I can see to improve atmosphere (and it's been discussed endlessly before) is a cheaper, standing area in The Kop for like minded fans, younger fans in particular, out to enjoy themselves, have a laugh and to vocally get behind the Reds, win lose or draw.

Agree 100% with the last comment. The main stand development had a positive Impact on the atmosphere for a few weeks but it’s a placebo. If people think that the new stand and over 60k fans will improve the atmosphere, it won’t. What is needed is areas in the Kop where like minded people congregate, one in the Kop and one in the Anny Rd ala Palace. Even Arsenal have a section, all dressed in black who get things started. Obviously we won’t go along those lines where we try to emulate ultras in a watered down version but we’d do our own thing.

This group will Kickstart things and it will be easy to create a knock on affect around the ground as at the moment all three like minded people are spread out and it’s nigh on impossible to get started.

[So… Howard Philips]

Agree 100% with the last comment. The main stand development had a positive Impact on the atmosphere for a few weeks but it’s a placebo. If people think that the new stand and over 60k fans will improve the atmosphere, it won’t. What is needed is areas in the Kop where like minded people congregate, one in the Kop and one in the Anny Rd ala Palace. Even Arsenal have a section, all dressed in black who get things started. Obviously we won’t go along those lines where we try to emulate ultras in a watered down version but we’d do our own thing.

This group will Kickstart things and it will be easy to create a knock on affect around the ground as at the moment all three like minded people are spread out and it’s nigh on impossible to get started.

Hopefully these are ideas that the fan representation are pushing with the club.

[deanloco9]

Thoughts on yesterday

3pm kick off against Brighton, I was never expecting it to be a good atmosphere (It never has, even in title runs)

Touts visibly happening on the ground outside the Dalglish Stand and given instructions where to return phones

Anfield Road lower 126 had a massive queue build up pre match as fans didn't know what rows they are sat in and it caused a dominio effect - HOW DON'T YOU KNOW WHERE YOU ARE SAT ALWAYS BAFFLES ME.

Usual coke head abusing our own fans for not singing and spends 90% of the match trying to provoke the away fans anyway

Fans once again having the urge to go the toilet or have a beer on 39th minute - I genuinely don't get this!?

Locals laughing at people trying to get a song going!?

A constant problem (not just our ground) - Beggy cardboard signs which a parent then forces a kid to hold up for the entire 90 minutes asking Alisson or Salah or Curtis Jones for a shirt just so he can flog it on ebay *PLS CAN I HAVE YOUR SHIRT SALAH*

Fans leaving on the 83rd minute at 3-3 - I know we are playing bad but what message does that say to the players if you've given up? I can reluctantly accept if we are losing a match but everything is still to play for at 3-3 ffs.

I really hope things can be sorted soon. YNWA. 

[ScubaSteve]

State of our fans and I couldn't get any tickets

I'd sing in my scarf holding it high even two nil down

Yeah it’s an embarrassment. Can’t get a ticket and don’t have the time to be refreshing all the time for every game. It puts me off spending so much money to watch people on their phones all game. Social media is destroying the match experience for a lot of people and for others it’s the norm now

The way the tickets are being passed on is a BiG issue. It’s not your regular STHs or members going, the majority are day trippers. Need to see the figures for this season.

Honestly, if it’s silent on Tuesday there’s no hope.

[Teapot Bob]

First Post. Probably will be a long ramble. Read the forum off and on for a fair while,  really enjoy it, but this thread can evoke strong feelings in me more than most. Dont read expecting too much new. Basically an overdue vent.

Agree with much of what's been written. We've been a special occasion crowd for a very long time now. I've been told by multiple people that there was a drop off in the average atmosphere around the end of the 70s. Can imagine at least a couple of reasons why that might be.

My first games were in the mid 80s and whilst the noise was not always great then and through the 90s, we could raise it during games and the periods of quiet were not as long. It's got gradually worse through the decades. The average game has a few minutes of half-hearted singing at the start, that then dies out around 10 minutes (give or take) and is follwed by an eerie silence. It's been that way for far too long. I reckon plenty of our support think it's normal because it's been that way for so long - 'that's just what happens at home games in the prem'. While the atmosphere at your average PL game isn't incredible, most grounds at least have some sort of hint that there are tens of thousands of humans sitting somewhere close to the pitch. What's worse, our support is rarely much better for the big games these days.

Probably similarly to others on this thread, I've always loved the footy for the atmosphere as much as the game. We have a manager who would relish a booming, chanting, singing, snarling kop. The most annoying thing for me is that we have loads of fans who would love to get to anfield and get behind the team - every game. You see it in the pubs and bars around the city, you see it in the passion of supporters groups who watch us all over the country and the world. It's been said in this thread that we've lost a generation and that the kids are different now. I agree to some extent but as others have said, our best atmospheres are often cup games - usually the league cup. What I've noticed at those games is a much younger crowd (including teenagers), both scouse and non-local, who want to make noise and get behind the team. There are still a few tourists, there are still some of the usual stale regulars, but they're far fewer in number and the atmosphere reflects it.

Personally I reckon the crowd have a massive effect on the team and therefore on results. I know thats not something everyone agrees with but I can never relate to the folks who shrug and say we've always made noise when we've felt like it, no big deal. We do actually have loads of supporters who would fill the ground and give the team a lift. We have loads around Liverpool, if they could sit with their mates. We have fans around the country and the world who love the club and were first drawn to it because of the culture and the mythos. But instead we've got the oldest crowd around  (that's obvious to anyone paying attention), who are now seeped in a decades-long culture of going the game and hardly ever singing/chanting, mixed with and an avalanche of tourists - there to sample the sweet, sweet silence through their videos.

Of course in amongst that we have loads of great supporters too. Also, of course people can support how they like. No one has to sing and cheer and vocally get behind the lads. I dont make noise as much as I used to, but I still give it a go.
It will always be the teenage - 35 ish lot that will be the most boisterous and consistently noisy. The fuckers have the energy to do it. I don't know how its going to come about but we really do need to find a way of getting like-minded supporters sitting (standing) together on the kop ... and if we did likewise in the Anny Road we might actually be in a good position to out-sing all the away fans that make most of the noise at anfield these days.

Hands up, at this point in my life I'm not going to be the one to lead the charge to FSG, but I hope some group of young lads do - just to stop JK having to pretend he was impressed by the occasional slightly-above-abysmal atmosphere every so often, and to stop Luis Diaz giving those 'what the fuck is this?' looks up to the stands when all he can hear is the groaning and moaning. I reckon  a bit of consistent support from the stands would go a long way - as well as make going the game much more enjoyable for many of us too.

[mikeb58]

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Great debut post mate!

[Redric1970]

Good first post teapot, it has changed over the years, I remember the first time I went to anfield I was in the main stand anfield road end, I watched the old kop and I was bitten, I went in the next year and got a season ticket the next £70 I think it was there wasn’t a waiting list then. The buzz from standing on the kop was amazing I still remember 23k against auxerre (still my favourite atmosphere). What winds me up is the constant moan on here about having to be a local to chant, I have a mix of locals and non locals where I sit on the kop (block 205) and without doubt the worst are 2 local gentlemen who Sit behind me all they do is moan constantly. I have always screamed my head off and I’m not local, I don’t know If many of the fans on here will remember this but when the kop was a terrace and the fans groups used to make up flyers and throw them up during the game calling for a flag day in the next game, I used to collect them and stick them on the wall but I always turned up with at least a scarf to hold up if not a flag, nowadays that doesn’t really happen anymore. But if people think the atmosphere was always electric even back in the old days with less day trippers you are wrong it was exactly the same some games were superb and others were crap, although the kop as a terrace helped mask it.