Topic: Better Call Saul

[Andy @ Allerton!]

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Nacho

Me and the missus are gutted

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[Peabee]

Oh man. Episode!!!

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Had a feeling Nacho was going to do that.  At the start of the show it warned of episode content (violence and suicide).

Wonder why Nacho didn't shoot Balsa and/or Hector?  Was it to save his father from any reprisals from the cartel?

You wouldn't put it past Hector to still go after his father.  He was shooting bullets into a dead body FFS

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Yes, mate. That’s all he was concerned about at the end, protecting his Dad. If he shot anyone or ratted on Gus, his Dad would have been killed.

I have a feeling that Gus will have his Dad moved for his protection. I’d assume Mike would demand that as some sort of payment for Nacho’s loyalty/silence.

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[Snail]

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RIP to a real one

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Absolutely fantastic episode.

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

loved the episode

[Buck Pete]

LFC on the brink of yet another European final and episode 4 of BCS drops


Its gonna be a good day

[Buck Pete]

Round of applause for Rhea Seehorn.

What i suspect is her directorial debut, she did a brilliant job of EP4.  Great episode.

Nowhere near as heavy as last weeks but still moved the story on significantly.

Not a massive E4 spoiler but still...

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If I'm not mistaken, first onscreen time together for Mike and Kim.

The falling parking sign was a massive movie trope but still done really well and was very funny

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[duvva 💅]

Round of applause for Rhea Seehorn.

What i suspect is her directorial debut, she did a brilliant job of EP4.  Great episode.

Nowhere near as heavy as last weeks but still moved the story on significantly.

Not a massive E4 spoiler but still...

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If I'm not mistaken, first onscreen time together for Mike and Kim.

The falling parking sign was a massive movie trope but still done really well and was very funny

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Yep very different episode to last weeks but great all the same just slowly joining dots. This weeks scheme had me laughing out loud

[ToneLa]

Lol Howard

Rhea directed this. Couldn't tell. The lawn waterer clack thing was a very classic shot

[Henry Gale]

Brilliant episode again this week. I know I'm probably alone in this but I'm really not feeling the Howard story line, It feels like they have been going back and forward with him for years now and I can barely remember what started it all. I'm guessing it's leading to something big and it could be what finally splits up Saul and Kim but I do feel like it's been dragged out a bit and I'm guessing it's going to carry on all season. I do enjoy the little scams they play on him but it's the last season and there's only a few episodes left so I was hoping they had moved on from stuff like this but I guess not.

Not a negative of the show as It's great and really enjoyable 

[bradders1011]

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Think at the moment the Get Howard storyline is light relief from the grim inevitability of the cartel threat and what we know happens to everyone in BB, but I do think it'll coalesce into some huge consequence for Kim. Her pro bono support work suggestion being taken up was the start of a wedge between them I think, especially when it came in the same episode as him beginning to fully embrace being a cartel lawyer and seeing the consequences of that in him becoming persona non grata at court.

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[ToneLa]

Brilliant episode again this week. I know I'm probably alone in this but I'm really not feeling the Howard story line, It feels like they have been going back and forward with him for years now and I can barely remember what started it all. I'm guessing it's leading to something big and it could be what finally splits up Saul and Kim but I do feel like it's been dragged out a bit and I'm guessing it's going to carry on all season. I do enjoy the little scams they play on him but it's the last season and there's only a few episodes left so I was hoping they had moved on from stuff like this but I guess not.

Not a negative of the show as It's great and really enjoyable 

I love the sort of nasty spite of the Howard storyline

Then I think back to the Chuck days and him doing stuff like making Good Kim do boring work as punishment. Almost like Saul and this later Kim are a reaction to and product of their circumstances.

Howard is just some square lawyer blert I find the current storyline just entertaining. My guess is

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the hint about Howard's home life - which we haven't seen before - is humanising him. And Kim will finally go too far. Maybe he will kill himself or something - or imagine he somehow meets Lalo!

The Howard stuff is totally about Kim I reckon. Jimmy is just pulled along as she breaks bad. He's already Saul, just not the full thing. Kim is going to get Howard in serious fucking trouble even dead and that closes out this half of the season

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[Peabee]

I love the sort of nasty spite of the Howard storyline

Then I think back to the Chuck days and him doing stuff like making Good Kim do boring work as punishment. Almost like Saul and this later Kim are a reaction to and product of their circumstances.

Howard is just some square lawyer blert I find the current storyline just entertaining. My guess is

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the hint about Howard's home life - which we haven't seen before - is humanising him. And Kim will finally go too far. Maybe he will kill himself or something - or imagine he somehow meets Lalo!

The Howard stuff is totally about Kim I reckon. Jimmy is just pulled along as she breaks bad. He's already Saul, just not the full thing. Kim is going to get Howard in serious fucking trouble even dead and that closes out this half of the season

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I think you’re pretty much spot on.

Also, a lot of what Howard did wasn’t malicious and it was Chuck who didn’t want Jimmy to be employed by HHM. Howard actually wanted to hire him. He had a begrudging respect for Jimmy and his tenacity. He even backed him for the job at the other law firm.

The demotion for Kim was pretty standard given her actions when Jimmy ran the commercial etc. She could Easily have been fired.

She’s pretending her motivation is revenge, when it’s actually money and the thrill. She wants the sandpiper money to enable her pro-bono work, but she’s also just enjoying “one last scam” as she has a history of scams don’t forget, and she’s enjoying the excitement.

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[Ravishing Rick Dude]

That was quite quiet episode

[Andy @ Allerton!]

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I think it's pretty clear that Kim is going to get killed by someone fairly soon

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[Ravishing Rick Dude]

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I think it's pretty clear that Kim is going to get killed by someone fairly soon

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it's a tricky one. Saul not grieving in BB would mess things up a little bit. I reckon she will just leave him at one point and move to another state or country?

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[Barefoot Doctor]

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I think Kim dying, at the hands of the cartel or whoever, is a little too obvious. I’m also not sure it’d logically follow that Jimmy would be driven to go ‘full Saul’ if it happened. Feels to me that her totally rejecting him would be likelier to cause that. Although at this stage, it’s hard to see what actions would cause Kim to do that.

Started a rewatch of season 1 this week. Amazing that the plan was for Jimmy to become the BB version of Saul by the end of that season. Instead, six seasons in and he’s still more Jimmy than Saul. Shows that having a big plan for a TV show isn’t always the best thing, instead you see where the story and performances take you.[\spoiler]

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[duvva 💅]

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I think Kim dying, at the hands of the cartel or whoever, is a little too obvious. I’m also not sure it’d logically follow that Jimmy would be driven to go ‘full Saul’ if it happened. Feels to me that her totally rejecting him would be likelier to cause that. Although at this stage, it’s hard to see what actions would cause Kim to do that.

Started a rewatch of season 1 this week. Amazing that the plan was for Jimmy to become the BB version of Saul by the end of that season. Instead, six seasons in and he’s still more Jimmy than Saul. Shows that having a big plan for a TV show isn’t always the best thing, instead you see where the story and performances take you.[\spoiler]

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I actually think the way she's turning more towards the dark side it could be Jimmy that actually rejects her, and it may also be the only way he can save her life perhaps

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[Buck Pete]

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I think Kim will be the primary reason for Lalo’s downfall.  She”ll take the blame for Jimmy and will call Vacuum cleaner man. She will then disappear.

In my ideal final episode, Jimmy (Gene) and Kim will be reunited in Omaha and work together happily at Cinna-Bon under their assumed identities. 

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[afc tukrish]

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I think Kim will be the primary reason for Lalo’s downfall.  She”ll take the blame for Jimmy and will call Vacuum cleaner man. She will then disappear.

In my ideal final episode, Jimmy (Gene) and Kim will be reunited in Omaha and work together happily at Cinna-Bon under their assumed identities. 

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Or, see and recognize each other across the mall decking, but turn away because their new identities must be protected...

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[duvva 💅]

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I think Kim will be the primary reason for Lalo’s downfall.  She”ll take the blame for Jimmy and will call Vacuum cleaner man. She will then disappear.

In my ideal final episode, Jimmy (Gene) and Kim will be reunited in Omaha and work together happily at Cinna-Bon under their assumed identities. 

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Or, see and recognize each other across the mall decking, but turn away because their new identities must be protected...

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#KimandJimmy4ever

[Barefoot Doctor]

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I also like the idea that Kim has truly broken bad and is doing a long con on Jimmy to get the Sandpiper money. Now the devastation of that could easily tip him into full Saul territory. 

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[duvva 💅]

Fuck sake come on Tuesday!

[Zlen]

Fuck sake come on Tuesday!

😁 Indeed.

[Snail]

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I also like the idea that Kim has truly broken bad and is doing a long con on Jimmy to get the Sandpiper money. Now the devastation of that could easily tip him into full Saul territory. 

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I think it’s going to be something like this.

[Buck Pete]

Wow. Good episode on reflection...

Not a massive E5 spoiler but still....

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Come away thinking nothing much happened but after vising reddit post-episode discussion I see loads more!

There's now 2 big fuck off games of chess in play.  Kim/Jimmy v Howard.  Lalo v Gus.

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[duvva 💅]

2 more episodes until the mid series break. Think things are about to ramp up

[Barefoot Doctor]

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Not really a spoiler, but Lalo is a brilliant villain isn't he? So charismatic and cool. One of my favourite things about Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that it treats intelligence as a superpower. Gus and Mike are so smart and methodical, and Lalo is cut from the same cloth. Makes it much more satisfying when they're on the losing side of a situation, as it has to be really earned.

Obviously we know that Lalo is going to fail, at least to some extent. That could make things boring, but instead I'm really interested to see how Gus is going to overcome him.

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[ToneLa]

ANYBODY FANCY A MATCH

[Snail]

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Not really a spoiler, but Lalo is a brilliant villain isn't he? So charismatic and cool. One of my favourite things about Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul is that it treats intelligence as a superpower. Gus and Mike are so smart and methodical, and Lalo is cut from the same cloth. Makes it much more satisfying when they're on the losing side of a situation, as it has to be really earned.

Obviously we know that Lalo is going to fail, at least to some extent. That could make things boring, but instead I'm really interested to see how Gus is going to overcome him.

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Tony Dalton is a very handsome man.

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[Graeme]

Didn’t realise there are 35 crossover characters from Breaking Bad in Better Call Saul

[ToneLa]

Didn’t realise there are 35 crossover characters from Breaking Bad in Better Call Saul

KEN WINS

[Ravishing Rick Dude]

Is this the final season?

The last episode was ok, not much going on.

[Phineus]

Yep, final season and 13 episodes total.

It’s always been a slow burn though.

[Buck Pete]

Personally I thought  lots happened last episode.

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Setting up a Gus <> Lalo showdown was huge

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[Henry Gale]

Personally I thought  lots happened last episode.

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Setting up a Gus <> Lalo showdown was huge

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Now for me that’s the problem with prequels as we all kinda already know how it goes so there’s no real suspense to it.

Really enjoying this season though, not as much as the earlier ones as I think the writing has dropped off a bit since the Chuck days but it’s still a good show. My only real interest now is what happens to Kim! I do have a sneaky feeling she will somehow end up…..

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In prison! And that very important phone call Saul was telling Francesca about on his birthday in the last episode of Breaking Bad is Kim calling him to wish him happy birthday

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[Barefoot Doctor]

Now for me that’s the problem with prequels as we all kinda already know how it goes so there’s no real suspense to it.

Really enjoying this season though, not as much as the earlier ones as I think the writing has dropped off a bit since the Chuck days but it’s still a good show. My only real interest now is what happens to Kim! I do have a sneaky feeling she will somehow end up…..

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In prison! And that very important phone call Saul was telling Francesca about on his birthday in the last episode of Breaking Bad is Kim calling him to wish him happy birthday

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I’ve seen a few say this regarding it being a prequel, but personally don’t agree with it. Yes, we know the likes of Jimmy, Mike and Gus all survive and what they become. So on a purely plot level, there’s not much intrigue, beyond the Kim question. But for me the show is much more interested in the why and the how. What happens to Jimmy to make him the kind of person who tells Walter he should just murder Badger?

So for me, it’s more about the journey than the destination. 

[Peabee]

I’m starting to think Kim married Jimmy/Saul so that he doesn’t have to testify against her, not the other way round.

[duvva 💅]

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loved that episode, the tension is really building and some proper badass Lalo behaviour

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[markedasred]

I'm torn between thinking that all the pegs of backstory that the show hangs on are a free framework for the writers to launch off, or a restriction that forces certain conclusions. The fact that the episodes so far flow so well and that we are suspending disbelief whilst watching people we have seen die in previous years is testament to craft. It still could get boring though if all it is meant to do is tie up loose ends. The follow up to the Lord of the Rings (the Silmarillion) is unreadable because Tolkien thought everything needed explaining.

[Buck Pete]

wow that cold open

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So Kim was taught from an early age that there are no consequences for breaking the law.  This really isn't going to go well for her is it.

Kim also clocked the "Vacuum man" business card in the dodgy vets black book.

As others have suggested in this thread.  Vacuum man could have made Kim disappear during the Breaking Bad timeline.

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