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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9560 on: August 8, 2022, 08:02:32 pm »
Whilst they’re being allowed to sign (if not yet register) all these players, I wonder just how long their list of creditors is exactly? I don’t mean De Jong’s 17m or fees due agents etc, but the small contractors that are owed 10s or even 100s of thousands and the like. There’s an attitude here that is morally reprehensible. Don’t understand why they aren’t being threatened with bankruptcy proceedings.

They are simply too big to be wiped out mate.  I mean if Spain doesn't have Real and Barca then they're fucked. That reason alone means they will always survive.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9561 on: August 8, 2022, 08:02:36 pm »
Are they bringing in the Chelsea murderer left wing back too now? For actual money? What an insane window this is.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9562 on: August 8, 2022, 08:05:43 pm »
They are simply too big to be wiped out mate.  I mean if Spain doesn't have Real and Barca then they're fucked. That reason alone means they will always survive.
I get that, but why aren’t they being shamed and dragged kicking and screaming to pay up. This excuse about “criminality” in trying to pull a fast one with FDJ, if that were me I’d thank them for that comment and cite it front and centre of a legal application.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9563 on: August 8, 2022, 10:23:33 pm »
Are they bringing in the Chelsea murderer left wing back too now? For actual money? What an insane window this is.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9564 on: August 8, 2022, 10:28:17 pm »
I get that, but why aren’t they being shamed and dragged kicking and screaming to pay up. This excuse about “criminality” in trying to pull a fast one with FDJ, if that were me I’d thank them for that comment and cite it front and centre of a legal application.

Pay up for what? They dont owe FDJ that money yet so i have no idea why people keep saying they do.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9565 on: August 8, 2022, 10:32:37 pm »
Pay up for what? They dont owe FDJ that money yet so i have no idea why people keep saying they do.


They owe him millions in deferred wages don't they ?
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9566 on: August 8, 2022, 10:50:08 pm »
Are they bringing in the Chelsea murderer left wing back too now? For actual money? What an insane window this is.

Didn't Barca pull out of a verbal agreement to sign Azpilecueta cos they couldn't register him? So now they're turning to the 31 year old Alonso, who they have to pay actual money to? Bizarre.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9567 on: August 8, 2022, 11:31:35 pm »
The equally bizarre other side of the De Jong thing is that he’s a better player than all the ones they’re bringing in, except maybe Lewandowski.  I get that selling him would bring in a fee and get some big wages off the books - but aren’t those savings neutralised pretty much immediately by at most two or three of their new signings?  Who aren’t as good as him.  What am I missing for this to make sense on any level?!

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9568 on: August 8, 2022, 11:50:42 pm »
Pay up for what? They dont owe FDJ that money yet so i have no idea why people keep saying they do.

If you believe what they are saying (contract was illegal so should defer to old terms) then they do. His wages were more than he was being paid under the "illegal" so they've paid him less than what he should have been. So if they want to refer back that to the old contract they literally owe him money.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9569 on: August 9, 2022, 08:10:22 am »
Wonder what other bs they will pull by the end of the transfer window. Embarrassing club and their fans are even worse for defending this behaviour.

What I also find mental is that despite all of this drama, De Jong still apparently wants to stay and play for them  :butt
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9570 on: August 9, 2022, 08:52:20 am »
Pay up for what? They dont owe FDJ that money yet so i have no idea why people keep saying they do.

I may have this wrong but from what I’ve read, he was on a very big contract which he agreed to defer some of the wages to help their financial situation. Now they’re trying to claim that original very big contract was illegal and so he isn’t going to get any of the wages he deferred.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9571 on: August 9, 2022, 10:43:30 am »
I may have this wrong but from what I’ve read, he was on a very big contract which he agreed to defer some of the wages to help their financial situation. Now they’re trying to claim that original very big contract was illegal and so he isn’t going to get any of the wages he deferred.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9572 on: August 9, 2022, 10:55:16 am »
Martin Braithwaite got jeered by their fans because he had the temerity to not receive wages from Barcelona... Absolutely horrible set of c*nts from top to bottom. Fold the fucking thing and do society a favour.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9573 on: August 9, 2022, 11:04:02 am »
Martin Braithwaite got jeered by their fans because he had the temerity to not receive wages from Barcelona... Absolutely horrible set of c*nts from top to bottom. Fold the fucking thing and do society a favour.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9574 on: August 9, 2022, 01:02:46 pm »
Barca are acting like a teen who's stolen daddy's credit card this summer. Absolutely pathetic.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9575 on: August 9, 2022, 01:52:04 pm »
They've always been a fucking disgrace in their behaviour. But they've gone fucking mad this time.

The maddest part though is - ignoring the players - why are clubs doing business with them.

They're not going to pay for the players they're signing...

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9576 on: August 9, 2022, 01:55:43 pm »
Wonder what other bs they will pull by the end of the transfer window. Embarrassing club and their fans are even worse for defending this behaviour.

What I also find mental is that despite all of this drama, De Jong still apparently wants to stay and play for them  :butt

Seems to be a grudge thing right now, like angry sex. :D

More likely, he's just being professional.  He's probably worried if he leaves, Barcelona will find a way to welch on their deal.  They're trying hard enough as it is.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9577 on: August 9, 2022, 02:05:21 pm »
They've always been a fucking disgrace in their behaviour. But they've gone fucking mad this time.

The maddest part though is - ignoring the players - why are clubs doing business with them.

They're not going to pay for the players they're signing...
I don’t get this either. Surely clubs and agents are now acutely aware of their reputation for not paying fees, bonuses, and now salaries, and would avoid them like the plague. Even going back to Coutinho, where LFC eventually sold the outstanding fees Barcelona owed us onto a “third party”.

As for De Jong, it’s obvious they are still taking advantage of the fact he really doesn’t want to leave, despite their outrageous behaviour towards him. Selling him to United behind his back…well, it’s tantamount to human trafficking isn’t it? ;D
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9578 on: August 9, 2022, 03:15:36 pm »
They can't register or pay their players but about to spend another £50m. How they managing this one?

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9579 on: August 9, 2022, 04:33:54 pm »
As a business they are solvent. They had a huge amount of short term debt that they reorganised into long term debt.

Their problem now is the leagues FFP rules which are (quite hilariously) crippling them.

Mind you, their ling term debt is of real significance. It will impact them, but they seem to have a bizarre notion that they can just spend their way out of this mess
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9580 on: August 9, 2022, 05:23:24 pm »
As a business they are solvent. They had a huge amount of short term debt that they reorganised into long term debt.

Their problem now is the leagues FFP rules which are (quite hilariously) crippling them.

Mind you, their ling term debt is of real significance. It will impact them, but they seem to have a bizarre notion that they can just spend their way out of this mess

Are you sure? The La Liga FFP as posted before is generally revenue - wages = spending limit. If they were a positive cash-flow then they wouldn't be leveraging everything not bolted down to boost their revenue for their spending to be allowed and register the players. I believe it's even been noted that their expected wage bill will have grown in relation to last year in which they lost ~€150m. And now they're locking themselves into 25 years of lower revenue to boot.

In other news, the illegal contract stuff has to be a ruse. There's no way they can actually believe that would go anywhere as they would just be suing themselves since the previous board was acting as agents of the club. But since Pique wants to be club president some day he'll go along with it which will just ramp up pressure on De Jong and the others to do the same. Sound like Busquets will go along with it as well. Anything to stay on the good side of the socios.

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9581 on: August 9, 2022, 06:10:18 pm »
Messi should buy them when he retires. Assuming they've not gone bust by then.
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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9582 on: August 9, 2022, 09:09:52 pm »
Messi should buy them when he retires. Assuming they've not gone bust by then.
Even after he buys them, he'll probably want to be paid an astronomical salary.

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« Reply #9583 on: August 9, 2022, 10:15:24 pm »
Even after he buys them, he'll probably want to be paid an astronomical salary.

The guy may be a generational talent, but he's also a parasite that sucked the club he professed to love dry. What's he worth now? Half a billion? And that's all Barca's money.

*a quick google reveals an estimated worth in excess of £300m. I think, given shady accounting, tax avoidance, off the books payments etc, it's probably way more than that though.
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« Reply #9584 on: August 9, 2022, 11:20:45 pm »
Even going back to Coutinho, where LFC eventually sold the outstanding fees Barcelona owed us onto a “third party”.
I didn’t know about this.  What’s the figures, how much of a hit did we take on the overall fee?

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9585 on: August 10, 2022, 08:28:53 am »
I didn’t know about this.  What’s the figures, how much of a hit did we take on the overall fee?

4m or 4.5m IIRC

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« Reply #9586 on: August 10, 2022, 08:36:37 am »
I didn’t know about this.  What’s the figures, how much of a hit did we take on the overall fee?
Cha Cha is pretty much spot on; Barca paid two chunks of €26m, then an additional €66m that was comprised of €4.4m per 15 games over the first two seasons.

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« Reply #9587 on: August 10, 2022, 10:50:39 am »
It's interesting that a debt-collection company can enforce debts are met whilst football clubs - all under the umbrella of FIFA (and in the case of Barcelona and the clubs they owe money to, UEFA) - can't.

Barcelona are going to test the "too big to fail" theory to the nth degree.  It didn't work out too well for Rangers but I appreciate the SPL and La Liga are different beasts.

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« Reply #9588 on: August 10, 2022, 03:19:53 pm »
New signings Andreas Christensen and Franck Kessie could both leave Barcelona for free if they are not registered before Saturday's LaLiga opener against Rayo Vallecano, various sources have confirmed to ESPN.

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Fellow summer arrivals Robert Lewandowski, Raphinha and Jules Kounde are also yet to be inscribed with LaLiga, while the contract renewals signed by Sergi Roberto and Ousmane Dembele have not been registered either.

ESPN understands Christensen and Kessie's situations are slightly different, though, given they joined Barca for free. Therefore, if they so choose, they would be entitled to leave for free before the transfer window closes.

More here: https://www.espn.com/soccer/soccer-transfers/story/4718067/barcelona-signings-christensen-kessie-could-leave-club-on-free-transfers-if-not-registered-in-time

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Re: FC Barcelona
« Reply #9589 on: August 10, 2022, 03:23:45 pm »
In that article above:

"while the contract renewals signed by Sergi Roberto and Ousmane Dembele have not been registered either."

I'm guessing that is why Gavi still hasn't signed anything?

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« Reply #9591 on: August 10, 2022, 03:44:28 pm »


Reported by whom - Barcelona? Those seem so wrong.

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« Reply #9592 on: August 10, 2022, 03:45:20 pm »
Those are their "Official" numbers.  ;D

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« Reply #9593 on: August 10, 2022, 03:48:25 pm »
Those are their "Official" numbers.  ;D

haha that's what I thought.

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« Reply #9594 on: August 10, 2022, 03:48:30 pm »
I can see why Umtiti's happy to see out his contract  :o

I've seen other sources quote De Jong's salary as being £300k more than the £164k in that image.  Is the image showing the salaries post some players agreeing temporary reductions? 

Edit: the first image is Barca propaganda?  Umtiti - who they've publicly stated they want out of the club - goes from near the bottom to near the top.  Very cunning Baldrick.
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« Reply #9595 on: August 10, 2022, 03:51:00 pm »
The first chart is showing figures on what Barca say their stars are getting from them minus sponsors and image rights.  ;D

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« Reply #9596 on: August 10, 2022, 04:27:45 pm »
It's interesting that a debt-collection company can enforce debts are met whilst football clubs - all under the umbrella of FIFA (and in the case of Barcelona and the clubs they owe money to, UEFA) - can't.

Barcelona are going to test the "too big to fail" theory to the nth degree.  It didn't work out too well for Rangers but I appreciate the SPL and La Liga are different beasts.


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« Reply #9597 on: August 10, 2022, 04:30:46 pm »
Some of those salaries are obscene. No wonder everyone wants to go there. ;D

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« Reply #9598 on: August 10, 2022, 05:24:23 pm »



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« Reply #9599 on: August 10, 2022, 07:00:41 pm »
Some of those salaries are obscene. No wonder everyone wants to go there. ;D

And little wonder they want to leave. ;)

They honestly should have sold Messi when they had the chance instead of holding onto him for one more season.
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