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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104760 on: July 1, 2022, 11:59:41 pm »
Wonder if this will help get Quansah a good loan. Doyle and Edwards have just come off 30+ game seasons in League one and the championship and he looked just as good, if not better than them at times.

Well done lads. Some very impressive talents in that side. The young lad from Spurs, Devine looks really good I thought. Was in our academy once actually and seems highly rated at Tottenham.

Seems the England youth set ups have fared well in tournaments in recent years, winning a few and coming close in others.
I thought he was pretty anonymous! Not sure it was really his fault though as the whole te.struggled.to.keep.posession let alone in dangerous areas to allow him and the other forwards to really effect the game.

This age group is so strong though. Won this without Colwill, Bellingham, Elliott and Musiala (I know he plays for Germany now but played loads with this age group) who could have been there. Then players like Mbete or patino who are supposed to be quite highly thought of but didn't make it.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104761 on: July 2, 2022, 02:06:09 pm »
Pitaluga to Macclesfield (loan)


This is such a weird move. I can't think of any other top flight youth player going to such a low level - he'll be playing with and against guys who work standard 9-5 jobs after spending 18 months with Alisson and Klopp! No idea how it's supposed to work with training etc. because I can't imagine they train more than 3 times a week?

I know they're loaded for that level but still...
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104762 on: July 2, 2022, 02:12:50 pm »
Wonder if this will help get Quansah a good loan. Doyle and Edwards have just come off 30+ game seasons in League one and the championship and he looked just as good, if not better than them at times.
I thought he was pretty anonymous! Not sure it was really his fault though as the whole te.struggled.to.keep.posession let alone in dangerous areas to allow him and the other forwards to really effect the game.

This age group is so strong though. Won this without Colwill, Bellingham, Elliott and Musiala (I know he plays for Germany now but played loads with this age group) who could have been there. Then players like Mbete or patino who are supposed to be quite highly thought of but didn't make it.

I didn't actually watch it last night, but I have seen him a few times in the past and he's already impressed. As I say at Spurs they seem to rate him quite highly going forward.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104763 on: July 2, 2022, 03:28:59 pm »
This is such a weird move. I can't think of any other top flight youth player going to such a low level - he'll be playing with and against guys who work standard 9-5 jobs after spending 18 months with Alisson and Klopp! No idea how it's supposed to work with training etc. because I can't imagine they train more than 3 times a week?

I know they're loaded for that level but still...
 

I think i read on the non league site that Macclesfield are doing day time training,kinda full time rather than the afterwork sessions.They average 3,000 odd crowdwise so i'm guessing Robbie Savage ain't planning on hanging around the division.Guess it depends on if Pitaluga can nail down the starting position or not.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104764 on: July 2, 2022, 04:50:27 pm »
 

I think i read on the non league site that Macclesfield are doing day time training,kinda full time rather than the afterwork sessions.They average 3,000 odd crowdwise so i'm guessing Robbie Savage ain't planning on hanging around the division.Guess it depends on if Pitaluga can nail down the starting position or not.
https://macclesfieldfc.com/2022/05/05/silkmen-set-to-implement-daytime-training-model/

Ah makes slightly more sense! If he can't nail down the starting position at that level then I think it's safe to say there is no hope for him ;D
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104765 on: July 4, 2022, 06:28:26 pm »
In other keeper news,Jaros on loan to Stockport.Also noticed a couple of pre season games for the u-21's at Wigan and Kidderminster listed on the official site.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104766 on: July 4, 2022, 06:57:40 pm »
This is such a weird move. I can't think of any other top flight youth player going to such a low level - he'll be playing with and against guys who work standard 9-5 jobs after spending 18 months with Alisson and Klopp! No idea how it's supposed to work with training etc. because I can't imagine they train more than 3 times a week?

I know they're loaded for that level but still...

They did similar with Rhys Williams.

Macc have gone full time as well. It's a very low level though, they'll be playing league games against City of Liverpool and Prescot Cables and are a league below Marine.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104767 on: July 4, 2022, 07:41:23 pm »
They did similar with Rhys Williams.

Macc have gone full time as well. It's a very low level though, they'll be playing league games against City of Liverpool and Prescot Cables and are a league below Marine.
I used to play in the same league as Marine are in now. Would’ve been mad to line up against a Liverpool goalie. We trained twice a week in the evenings.

You’d see the odd pro drop down on loan (we had a feeder system with a local pro side - League Two/One - who would get all our best young players in exchange for essentially retainer fees and loan signings) but they’d never really make a career out of it after, or if they did it was the lower reaches of the football league.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104768 on: July 4, 2022, 10:37:38 pm »
They did similar with Rhys Williams.

Macc have gone full time as well. It's a very low level though, they'll be playing league games against City of Liverpool and Prescot Cables and are a league below Marine.

Even Kidderminster were two divisions higher than Macclesfield are now, which is a pretty big difference in standard down at that level. I'm genuinely flabbergasted by it.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104769 on: July 5, 2022, 10:53:26 am »
Would have thought Jaros would have been doing better than Stockport aswell (just back in football league). He was on loan in Ireland with St Patricks Athletic in the Irish Premier Division, was their player of the year and won the cup, they played some European games the following season too, but he was loaned to Notts County in non league after that.

Saw him play many times in Ireland and he was superb. Would have thought league 1 at least for him anyway. The Pitaluga loan is pretty baffling, surely there is a league club out there for him. We paid nearly 2 million for the lad too.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104770 on: July 5, 2022, 11:06:53 am »
Young keepers are hard to find loans for so they end up lower than an equivalent talent in an outfield position. League 2 at 20/21 is decent for Jaros. Can't imagine many loans keepers at that age were in the football league last season

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104771 on: July 5, 2022, 11:19:36 am »
For goalkeepers its probably not as important to be at a good team, or even at a particularly good level. You want them to get plenty of action.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104772 on: July 5, 2022, 12:10:36 pm »
I don't think sending Pitaluga so low down means they have little faith in him, as Chris and Lobo say it's not easy to find loans for goalies and playing games is really important.

If he does really well there, it's more than likely that he won't make one step up the pyramid next season. I think they're 8th tier, so let's say they get promoted and want him again, hopefully someone above a 6/7th tier want him. Perhaps he could go to a National League side which I think is 5th tier, maybe after that somewhere in League 2. If he can do that in the next few years he'll still only be in his early 20s and will probably still have 15+ years ahead of him in his career
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104773 on: July 5, 2022, 12:46:54 pm »
I don't think sending Pitaluga so low down means they have little faith in him, as Chris and Lobo say it's not easy to find loans for goalies and playing games is really important.

If he does really well there, it's more than likely that he won't make one step up the pyramid next season. I think they're 8th tier, so let's say they get promoted and want him again, hopefully someone above a 6/7th tier want him. Perhaps he could go to a National League side which I think is 5th tier, maybe after that somewhere in League 2. If he can do that in the next few years he'll still only be in his early 20s and will probably still have 15+ years ahead of him in his career

Ah lads seriously, 8th tier for a young lad who cost us 2 million quid, surely there is a club higher up the food chain. Even national league FFS.

Completely take the point about GK loans being different though, but he will be testing himself against amateurs. His club might be the Man City of the amateur leagues but the point stands, the standard is crap.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104774 on: July 5, 2022, 01:06:02 pm »
Maybe there is a reason we're not seeing? just wants games, doesn't care where? maybe getting over potential injury and needs games? Someone he knows there? maybe problem with lad, club just want him out? maybe work permit related?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104775 on: July 5, 2022, 01:08:18 pm »
He's a baby in goalkeeping terms, don't see a problem with this kind of loan if it means he'll get a ton of action and a bit of rough and tumble from the bruisers lower down the leagues to help him get used to football over here.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104776 on: July 5, 2022, 02:34:11 pm »
Bobby Clark, Stefan Bajcetic, Luke Chambers, Isaac Mabaya and Tom Hill among the kids training with the first team today. Nice that Hill is back in action after missing last season due to injury.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104777 on: July 5, 2022, 03:03:48 pm »
Bobby Clark, Stefan Bajcetic, Luke Chambers, Isaac Mabaya and Tom Hill among the kids training with the first team today. Nice that Hill is back in action after missing last season due to injury.

Hope they all get a chance pre season but Mabaya looks like he could be a really good player

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104778 on: July 5, 2022, 03:06:12 pm »
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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104779 on: July 5, 2022, 03:16:30 pm »
Young keepers are hard to find loans for so they end up lower than an equivalent talent in an outfield position. League 2 at 20/21 is decent for Jaros. Can't imagine many loans keepers at that age were in the football league last season
This is true, at 21 Kasper Schmeichel was on loan in League 2 at Bury and then in Scotland at Falkirk. Alisson hadn't made an appearance for Internacional and only had 6 appearances before he turned 23. Pickford was at Darlington then Bradford in league Two, Nick Pope was at Welling Utd in non-league.

Looking at the Premier League's Keepers, it's only really De Gea that was playing elite football at that age and Lloris also playing top flight football (early steps).
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104780 on: July 5, 2022, 03:18:21 pm »
Maybe there is a reason we're not seeing? just wants games, doesn't care where? maybe getting over potential injury and needs games? Someone he knows there? maybe problem with lad, club just want him out? maybe work permit related?

Likely just want him nearby to continue to work closely with him when they can.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104781 on: July 5, 2022, 03:45:22 pm »
This is true, at 21 Kasper Schmeichel was on loan in League 2 at Bury and then in Scotland at Falkirk. Alisson hadn't made an appearance for Internacional and only had 6 appearances before he turned 23. Pickford was at Darlington then Bradford in league Two, Nick Pope was at Welling Utd in non-league.

Looking at the Premier League's Keepers, it's only really De Gea that was playing elite football at that age and Lloris also playing top flight football (early steps).

This is all true. I know Alisson was highly rated when we signed him but at the time I remember being a bit confused as to why we never went for someone a bit more experienced. He'd played a bit for Internacional but not many games in the proper Brazilian league. Then he spent two years at Roma but barely played in his first season as back up to Sczesny.

No two player's developments' are the same it's important to remember. I imagine Pitaluga will still be under contract five years down the line and he might be on loan for all of it. Even so he'll still only be early/mid 20s I think, baby years for a keeper. As I said in a post above there's a chance he really impresses for Macclesfield then climbs about 3 tiers up the pyramid, it's certainly possible.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104782 on: July 5, 2022, 03:51:16 pm »
Bobby Clark, Stefan Bajcetic, Luke Chambers, Isaac Mabaya and Tom Hill among the kids training with the first team today. Nice that Hill is back in action after missing last season due to injury.

No Musialowski? Is he injured?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104783 on: July 5, 2022, 03:56:55 pm »
Ah lads seriously, 8th tier for a young lad who cost us 2 million quid, surely there is a club higher up the food chain. Even national league FFS.
Why does his fee matter? Or indeed, why does it matter which tier he's at loan at at this early age? It's not a game of oneupmanship.

What he needs is planty of game time and plenty of action, Lots of saves to make, which a lacklustre defence will probably allow. And experience of a few giant grocks steaming into him won't hurt either (well it might, literally ;) )
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104784 on: July 5, 2022, 04:01:14 pm »
No Musialowski? Is he injured?

Or just not particularly highly rated at the moment.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104785 on: July 5, 2022, 04:20:09 pm »
Or just not particularly highly rated at the moment.

Suppose this could be the case.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104786 on: July 5, 2022, 04:35:20 pm »
Or indeed, why does it matter which tier he's at loan at at this early age?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104787 on: July 5, 2022, 04:37:56 pm »
Maybe there is a reason we're not seeing? just wants games, doesn't care where? maybe getting over potential injury and needs games? Someone he knows there? maybe problem with lad, club just want him out? maybe work permit related?

We don't just loan players anywhere, we're quite thorough and analytic about it. I read a piece on Rhys Williams when he broke into the first team and they explained how they loaned him out because they wanted him to get that experience of playing against big physical teams and to deal with it, as well as the grounding of playing non league football. It'll be similar here, although the level he's dropped to is odd. Macclesfield are a much bigger club than that level though and will be expected to win the league and be playing to crowds of about 3000 at home and big away support, so it's not a one man and his dog thing. They'll be getting bigger crowds than some EFL clubs.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104788 on: July 5, 2022, 04:41:39 pm »
Or indeed, why does it matter which tier he's at loan at at this early age?

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« Reply #104789 on: July 5, 2022, 04:44:54 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104790 on: July 5, 2022, 08:12:09 pm »
Suppose this could be the case.

Don’t think so, he’s at a more advanced stage than most of the names in that list IMO, I think his injury problems have probably curtailed a lot of his progress here, but after Kaide Gordon Bajcetic I wouldnt put any of those other names above him in terms of talent and performances.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104791 on: July 5, 2022, 08:54:52 pm »
Don’t think so, he’s at a more advanced stage than most of the names in that list IMO, I think his injury problems have probably curtailed a lot of his progress here, but after Kaide Gordon Bajcetic I wouldnt put any of those other names above him in terms of talent and performances.

He's missed his chance a few times by being injured IIRC, i.e. last pre-season and the League Cup match last season where players behind him got called up to play at Preston.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104792 on: July 5, 2022, 09:07:37 pm »
Bobby Clark, Stefan Bajcetic, Luke Chambers, Isaac Mabaya and Tom Hill among the kids training with the first team today. Nice that Hill is back in action after missing last season due to injury.
How big size wise is Mabaya?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104793 on: July 5, 2022, 09:47:19 pm »

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104795 on: July 6, 2022, 12:45:36 am »
Quansah got in to the u19 team of the tournament

https://www.uefa.com/under19/news/0277-158d3934d81a-206a691b8c37-1000--u19-euro-team-of-the-tournament/

Have to think he’s within a shout of a L1 or Championship loan.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104796 on: July 6, 2022, 12:46:51 am »
How big size wise is Mabaya?

He’s not quite a Balagizi but he’s a tall and strong lad. Quite pacy and powerful.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104797 on: July 6, 2022, 01:28:10 am »
Maybe there is a reason we're not seeing? just wants games, doesn't care where? maybe getting over potential injury and needs games? Someone he knows there? maybe problem with lad, club just want him out? maybe work permit related?

It could be that he's just not good enough to play at a higher level yet?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104798 on: July 6, 2022, 04:13:28 am »

Why??
I heard he been good as a 6 in the youth team was wondering if he has the size to be that in full time in the first team. Klopp has always favored players who are dominate in the air there

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #104799 on: July 6, 2022, 06:39:57 am »
I heard he been good as a 6 in the youth team was wondering if he has the size to be that in full time in the first team. Klopp has always favored players who are dominate in the air there
I don't think he's ever played as a 6.. Much more of a mix between box-to-box mid and right back.