Topic: Trump Faceached & Twattered. "Instakarma's gonna getcha....." #bannedontherun

[No666]

A section of the American populace seems so ready to believe conspiracy theories now, that ongoing populism seems more likely than not. It's as if they lost faith in the 'American Dream' myth so they've substituted an elaborate reason to explain their failure.

[stoa]

More of the Capitol Terrorists are now being identified because a bunch of them (the militia types) stuck a 'walkie talkie' app (Zello) on their phones to communicate military style with each other and advisors not physically present at the coup, the messages and recordings from which are apparently now available to the Feds. As opposed to older, low tech solutions like... walkie talkies. Or cups on a bit of string.

I'm really looking forward to the outcome of the various investigations. I have a feeling that - fitting to how stupid the President and everyone around him is - it will turn out to be one of the dumbest coup-attemtps in history. There'll probably be shitloads of evidence in terms of communications between the people on various channels. There are a shitload of cameras everywhere that will have recorded everything that has happened in and around the Capitol. And if it's true that people were given tours of the building by members in the day(s) before the riot there'll be evidence for that. I bet there are a lot of people who are currently shitting themselves...

[Buggy Eyes Alfredo]

The "Camp,  Auschwitz" hoodie guy was arrested in Newport News, VIrginia.

[12C]

The role white exceptionalism plays in the Republican mindset is staggering.
Those deplorables at the Capitol can’t see the difference between their insurrection and civil rights.
So many of them are affluent and  white. They flew to the Capitol and stayed in nice hotels, but think their lives are shit.
Lawyers, business owners, medical professionals all bitching that their lives are shit, when really they fear black people having the same life chances as them -literally Life chances as in not being shot by the cops or having their necks knelt on for an alleged traffic offence or allegedly passing a dodgy $bill.

[rafathegaffa83]

In other news, Taylor Greene is planning to submit articles of impeachment on Biden on the 21st January.

I was wondering how quickly one of these idiots would pull this stunt to raise funds.

[gazzalfc]

All the videos from the Parler leak have started making their way into the public domain.

https://www.tommycarstensen.com/terrorism/index.html

It's all a bit slow due to server demand but some of them are truly incredible. Over 11 hours of footage. All with date, time and GPS stamps all over them

Some are in 4K60fps so even the worst public prosecutors in America will be able to make convictions based on single frames of these videos alone.

[wige]

Anyone see the ITV piece on last night? was about 11:45 UK time. Thought it was a fantastic and incredibly brave piece of journalism.

Left me totally disillusioned about America's future though. For all talk of Trump being roundly rejected, he still secured over 75 million votes. SEVENTY FIVE MILLION. Conspiracy theories and radicalisation is rife, and I'm not too sure how you turn that around, especially in the short term. It seems anyone who puts forward a different argument or tries to engage is labelled a liberal/commie/fake news spouter. The sheer sincerity on some of these peoples faces as they explained that they were fighting to take back their Congress from a corrupt political class who'd sold their country to the Rothschilds, Middle East and Israel.. How do you even combat that?

I wonder if there's any scope to leverage potential criminal investigations against Trump and his family to attempt to undo the damage. If they find the silver bullet that would lock him and his family up and devastate them financially, maybe, maybe they could offer him a deal to avoid it - if he came clean about everything. A live, national address in his own words, no perfectly pre-written statements. That he'd lied about the 'steal', that he'd encouraged conspiracies A through Z. Etc Etc. Maybe he alone could get through to this mob of racists, idiots, conspiracy mentalists, domestic terrorists, morons.

If you can't change the direction that America is heading in though, there's dark times ahead I fear. This isn't a small number of people and the division is real, fueled by hatred, mistrust, ignorance and stupidity. There's a lot of people with organisational skills involved in this with bigger numbers of armed residents seemingly at tipping point. Somehow we/they/us need to help in regaining public trust in facts/discourse, weakening the power of wild conspiracies that incite, divide and enrage. Tech companies are both a big part of this problem and crucial to solving it (there's a great Netflix documentary, I forget the name, about them and their algorithm's impact). It's deeper and wider than that though and I don't pretend to understand how many and deep the rabbit holes are.

[Jono69]

Don't know if anyone saw Newsnight before?
James Comey was on, then fucking hell they had a former Bush speechwriter on, Michael Johns, and he was still spewing shite about election fraud. I'm not always onboard with the BBC bashing but there was no need to allow him to further these lies, there's no balance to be obtained. There's no two-sides to this matter, the US courts said so!

Fucking idiots for permitting that to happen.

Saw James Comey and thought he came across very well and articulated but held back considering how Trump treated him . Didn't bother with Johns as he was on something over Christmas time and he was chatting wham then about the 100% no doubt about it guaranteed election fraud as he put it at the time

[stoa]

All the videos from the Parler leak have started making their way into the public domain.

https://www.tommycarstensen.com/terrorism/index.html

It's all a bit slow due to server demand but some of them are truly incredible. Over 11 hours of footage. All with date, time and GPS stamps all over them

Some are in 4K60fps so even the worst public prosecutors in America will be able to make convictions based on single frames of these videos alone.

It just shows how stupid those people are. I've only watched a few of them, but there's one where the guy is panning around the whole area he's in (inside the Capitol) showing all the others there most without mosts and clearly visible. He then turns the camera towards his (girl?)friend and starts talking to her. She has a mask on and as she replies she takes down the mask. You can clearly see her face for a couple of seconds before he turns the camera away and tells her "Put on your mask, I don't want them to see your face". 

[Andy_lfc]

The role white exceptionalism plays in the Republican mindset is staggering.
Those deplorables at the Capitol can’t see the difference between their insurrection and civil rights.
So many of them are affluent and  white. They flew to the Capitol and stayed in nice hotels, but think their lives are shit.
Lawyers, business owners, medical professionals all bitching that their lives are shit, when really they fear black people having the same life chances as them -literally Life chances as in not being shot by the cops or having their necks knelt on for an alleged traffic offence or allegedly passing a dodgy $bill.

I've had interactions with US clients since the storming of the Capitol - very successful, affluent people - and they are completely unable to see the distinction between what happened last Wednesday and the BLM protests over the summer.  As far as I know they have no grievances about the hand life has dealt them, but they are either unable or unwilling to empathise or even acknowledge the existence with the challenges faced by poorer/minority communities in America.  They are people that would never riot, but I would argue that if they are who occupies the middle ground in America, then change of the better will be incredibly hard and right wing atrocities more easily accepted.

[John C]

The "Camp,  Auschwitz" hoodie guy was arrested in Newport News, VIrginia.

I can only wish him peace and suffering.

[BarryCrocker]

The "Camp,  Auschwitz" hoodie guy was arrested in Newport News, VIrginia.

Maybe 'they' should put him to 'work'.

[FlashGordon]

I saw someone earlier predicting that they could turn into an IRA of sorts and America could have a period like the troubles. Seemed plausible to me

Remind me again who has invaded their country and treated them as second class citizens for hundreds of years?

[Alan_X]

Remind me again who has invaded their country and treated them as second class citizens for hundreds of years?

I think the answer will be "blacks, muslims, jews, communists, socialists..."

These people are the same kind of people that have been lynching and opressing minorities for decades, centuries because of their pathetic insecurities.

[FlashGordon]

I think the answer will be "blacks, muslims, jews, communists, socialists..."

These people are the same kind of people that have been lynching and opressing minorities for decades, centuries because of their pathetic insecurities.

So nothing like the IRA then. They'll carry on being themselves.

[Jshooters]

Anyone see the ITV piece on last night? was about 11:45 UK time. Thought it was a fantastic and incredibly brave piece of journalism.

Left me totally disillusioned about America's future though. For all talk of Trump being roundly rejected, he still secured over 75 million votes. SEVENTY FIVE MILLION. Conspiracy theories and radicalisation is rife, and I'm not too sure how you turn that around, especially in the short term. It seems anyone who puts forward a different argument or tries to engage is labelled a liberal/commie/fake news spouter. The sheer sincerity on some of these peoples faces as they explained that they were fighting to take back their Congress from a corrupt political class who'd sold their country to the Rothschilds, Middle East and Israel.. How do you even combat that?

I wonder if there's any scope to leverage potential criminal investigations against Trump and his family to attempt to undo the damage. If they find the silver bullet that would lock him and his family up and devastate them financially, maybe, maybe they could offer him a deal to avoid it - if he came clean about everything. A live, national address in his own words, no perfectly pre-written statements. That he'd lied about the 'steal', that he'd encouraged conspiracies A through Z. Etc Etc. Maybe he alone could get through to this mob of racists, idiots, conspiracy mentalists, domestic terrorists, morons.

If you can't change the direction that America is heading in though, there's dark times ahead I fear. This isn't a small number of people and the division is real, fueled by hatred, mistrust, ignorance and stupidity. There's a lot of people with organisational skills involved in this with bigger numbers of armed residents seemingly at tipping point. Somehow we/they/us need to help in regaining public trust in facts/discourse, weakening the power of wild conspiracies that incite, divide and enrage. Tech companies are both a big part of this problem and crucial to solving it (there's a great Netflix documentary, I forget the name, about them and their algorithm's impact). It's deeper and wider than that though and I don't pretend to understand how many and deep the rabbit holes are.

The Social Dilemma.  It's very good

[rafathegaffa83]

Five Olympic medals and several federal charges including disorderly conduct and obstructing law enforcement

Geoff Bennett@GeoffRBennett
Former USA Olympic swimmer Klete Keller has been charged in federal court for participating in the Capitol riot, court records show. Keller, who medaled in the 2000, 2004 and 2008 Olympics was seen on video in the Capitol wearing a USA Swimming jacket.

[Red Beret]

Five Olympic medals and several federal charges including disorderly conduct and obstructing law enforcement

Geoff Bennett@GeoffRBennett
Former USA Olympic swimmer Klete Keller has been charged in federal court for participating in the Capitol riot, court records show. Keller, who medaled in the 2000, 2004 and 2008 Olympics was seen on video in the Capitol wearing a USA Swimming jacket.

Let's see if they get a pardon.

[Machae]

Bizarre that people who are high ranking, or semi famous would participate in something like this. I mean, sure have those opinions but why take part in an obvious illegal activity. Did you think nothing would happen?

[Malaysian Kopite]

Bizarre that people who are high ranking, or semi famous would participate in something like this. I mean, sure have those opinions but why take part in an obvious illegal activity. Did you think nothing would happen?

White privilege

[Chakan]

White privilege

In a nutshell

[Alan_X]

White privilege

This - and don't forget they believe the shit they see on Fox, OAN, Newsmax, Facebook groups and fuck knows what else. They think they are doing the right thing. Many still believe Trump will serve another four years once 'The Storm' comes and the paedophile, baby eating satanists are driven out by 'The greatest President ever'.

[Alan_X]

So nothing like the IRA then. They'll carry on being themselves.

Without getting too deep into Irish politics, the closer analogy would be the Loyalist gangs like the UVF, UDA and UFF.

[Alan_X]

Andrew R.R. Moxon
@JuliusGoat
·
Mar 15, 2020
2016: FUCK YOUR FEELINGS
2017: YOU LOST GET OVER IT
2018: DRINKING UR LIBERAL TEARS
2019: FOUR MORE YEARS BITCHES
2020: look guys this is a time for unity not finger-pointing

[rafathegaffa83]

Bizarre that people who are high ranking, or semi famous would participate in something like this. I mean, sure have those opinions but why take part in an obvious illegal activity. Did you think nothing would happen?

This sums it up well

Jake Tapper@jaketapper
The suggestion has been made that the terrorists who attacked the Capitol are just stupid for being so open about their crimes but it seems at least as likely they didn’t think anyone in power would ever hold them accountable.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

I know that by definition these people are a bit stupid and highly suggestible. But despite that I cannot believe so many were so blatant and made no attempt to cover tracks.
Wouldn't be too much of a leap to suggest that they thought (were told) they had some kind of immunity from any action, which they stupidly believed.

[Qston]

I know that by definition these people are a bit stupid and highly suggestible. But despite that I cannot believe so many were so blatant and made no attempt to cover tracks.
Wouldn't be too much of a leap to suggest that they thought (were told) they had some kind of immunity from any action, which they stupidly believed.

I personally think that it is because they really do think they are doing the right thing. That they are patriots protecting their country. Some of them are the standard right wing, gun toting so called libertarians who just want a scrap no matter what. I suspect a lot of them are just people who are, as you say, highly suggestible who have been radicalised by online conspiracy nonsense and being constantly in an echo chamber of people with the same view.

[rafathegaffa83]

I know that by definition these people are a bit stupid and highly suggestible. But despite that I cannot believe so many were so blatant and made no attempt to cover tracks.
Wouldn't be too much of a leap to suggest that they thought (were told) they had some kind of immunity from any action, which they stupidly believed.

Look at those two police officers from Virginia who claimed they had done nothing illegal while challenging authorities "to keep poking us." A certain set of these people believe the law doesn't apply to them, while asking for more anger against the government

[Red Beret]

This sums it up well

Jake Tapper@jaketapper
The suggestion has been made that the terrorists who attacked the Capitol are just stupid for being so open about their crimes but it seems at least as likely they didn’t think anyone in power would ever hold them accountable.

So... like their Dear Leader then?

Without getting too deep into Irish politics, the closer analogy would be the Loyalist gangs like the UVF, UDA and UFF.

I'd suggest that some people in the southern states seem to have felt like they lived in an "occupied" nation for at least a hundred years.

Republicans' concept of "unity and healing" is the expectation that everyone else march over the the insane right where they are currently living, rather than them trying to put some effort in and moving back to the centre.

At this point, America has become so diverse it's pulling itself apart politically. I've likened it before to a continent splitting into two.  The most dangerous aspect now is that in the eyes of the extreme right, the only good liberal is a dead liberal.  Seems anybody who doesn't hold their views has become less than human.

Sidebar: I remember V for Vendetta's references to the "former United States"; honestly, it doesn't seem so far fetched these days. It's like a lot of states want the prestige and benefits of being within the USA, but none of the responsibility that goes with it. I don't know how the economy of the US works, but I believe the stronger state economies are in the north?

[TSC]

The fact Trump has instructed his ‘team’ to not pay Guiliani is likely out of spite.  In that his involvement hasn’t led to the election being overturned.

[rafathegaffa83]

I don't know how the economy of the US works, but I believe the stronger state economies are in the north?

A lot of manufacturing moved to the South in the past three decades due to weaker labour laws/anti-union governments

[AndyInVA]

Let's see if they get a pardon.

I'm hoping that a lot of them are just getting the lower charges of trespassing at the moment just to get them identified. My guess is that the more serious charges will be made after Jan 20 when there is no possibility of pardons for any of them.

[Chakan]

The fact Trump has instructed his ‘team’ to not pay Guiliani is likely out of spite.  In that his involvement hasn’t led to the election being overturned.

Nah it's just trumps MO, get work done, don't pay. It's just what he does, why people still think they're going to be paid is one of the mysteries of the universe.

[Rush 82]

Nah it's just trumps MO, get work done, don't pay. It's just what he does, why people still think they're going to be paid is one of the mysteries of the universe.

Reminds me of this

[Kekule]

So... like their Dear Leader then?

I'd suggest that some people in the southern states seem to have felt like they lived in an "occupied" nation for at least a hundred years.

Republicans' concept of "unity and healing" is the expectation that everyone else march over the the insane right where they are currently living, rather than them trying to put some effort in and moving back to the centre.

At this point, America has become so diverse it's pulling itself apart politically. I've likened it before to a continent splitting into two.  The most dangerous aspect now is that in the eyes of the extreme right, the only good liberal is a dead liberal.  Seems anybody who doesn't hold their views has become less than human.

Sidebar: I remember V for Vendetta's references to the "former United States"; honestly, it doesn't seem so far fetched these days. It's like a lot of states want the prestige and benefits of being within the USA, but none of the responsibility that goes with it. I don't know how the economy of the US works, but I believe the stronger state economies are in the north?

Case in point.  I saw a republican representative yesterday make a speech in the house about how "America now needs to heal. We need to now be working together, in a bipartisan manner. So I extend my hand across the aisle in friendship to my Democrat colleagues and together we should vote down this impeachment and move on".

So basically his idea of compromise was that the other side (i.e the majority) should move towards his position, and his side of the bargain was allowing them to do that instead of just insulting them.  No actual concession on his part at all.

Sadly he's not alone in thinking that that is compromise.

[Red Beret]

A lot of manufacturing moved to the South in the past three decades due to weaker labour laws/anti-union governments

Makes you wonder how the cards would fall in the event of an actual, formal split between north and south.  I think a lot of people would be desperate to escape north, but probably couldn't leave because of their jobs.

[Red Beret]

Case in point.  I saw a republican representative yesterday make a speech in the house about how "America now needs to heal. We need to now be working together, in a bipartisan manner. So I extend my hand across the aisle in friendship to my Democrat colleagues and together we should vote down this impeachment and move on".

So basically his idea of compromise was that the other side (i.e the majority) should move towards his position, and his side of the bargain was allowing them to do that instead of just insulting them.  No actual concession on his part at all.

Sadly he's not alone in thinking that that is compromise.

Pretty much.  Seems they've all been reading "art of the deal". 

"Here's the deal - I name the terms, and you accept them, no questions asked. Ok?"
"err, no."
"Well now you're just being completely unreasonable."

[oldfordie]

Maybe Woodward +Bertstein will get together again and write another follow up book.
All the Presidents arseholes looks a good title.
How many people has Trump dropped right in it, ruined many careers. what a pity.
Sydney Powells gone awfully quiet the last few days. she couldn't keep her mouth shut for weeks now she refuses to comment,    shame Trumps chopped Rudys wage as well as he's going to need every penny he can get soon.

[stara]

Rudy Guiliani: “I was referencing the kind of trial that took place for Tyrion in that very famous documentary about fictitious medieval England"

 

[mickeydocs]

don't know how the economy of the US works, but I believe the stronger state economies are in the north?

California would be the world's fifth largest economy.
Population of 40million and a larger economy than the UK.