Topic: Our own 'Green Brigade' first meeting...

[Scud02]

In relation to the other thread we are discussing:

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=291587.0

How many of us on here would be interested in meeting up in the Sandon or a pub up at Anfield within the next couple weeks.  This is a thread just to see how numbers would turn out, discussions take place in the other thread.

Count me - 1 

[.Mike]

Me and a couple of mates may be there. So put me down!

[koppitekop11]

Am game.

I'l try and guide a few lads to this thread and get em to come down as well.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

In but going to Blackburn so won't be able to make that date.

[Big Red Richie]

I'd be game.

[David H]

Will be at blackburn

[_Lfc_]

I've never really liked this idea but something now needs to be done. The old firm fans have done brilliant with their respective groups but forget about them this is about us. Id definitely be intrested but I would be against any links with "the green brigade " they arent the only uk fans to make the effort.

Another thing is I think we should be careful with the name because id hate for us to be refered to as any thing other than the kop. such as "the red brigade where loud" or " did you see the red ultras " etc, the way celtic fans are now almost solely refered to as the green brigade ..I think it should be a simple name like " the kop" where people can still say the kop was fantastic etc etc and not feel outside the group.

[Arcadian]

I've never really liked this idea but something now needs to be done. The old firm fans have done brilliant with their respective groups but forget about them this is about us. Id definitely be intrested but I would be against any links with "the green brigade " they arent the only uk fans to make the effort.

Another thing is I think we should be careful with the name because id hate for us to be refered to as any thing other than the kop. such as "the red brigade where loud" or " did you see the red ultras " etc, the way celtic fans are now almost solely refered to as the green brigade ..I think it should be a simple name like " the kop" where people can still say the kop was fantastic etc etc and not feel outside the group.

The Voice (of the Kop)

[BobbyDavro]

Reclaim The Kop II

All power to your vocal cords though, can't be there but applaud the attitude.

[stjohn65]

Another thing is I think we should be careful with the name because id hate for us to be refered to as any thing other than the kop.

spot on - the minute you do that it becomes less inclusive, people don't see it as being everyone together. the whole point about the old Spion Kop, what made it special was that everyone knew they belonged, just by turning up week in week out - all 28,000 of us.

[GODS LEFT BOOT]

Good luck - but please don't name yourselves anything that brings to mind images of men in balaklava's

[tjtaylor182]

I'd be in but can't go to midweek games because of work.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Will be at blackburn

Surely planning a meeting of some self-styled ultra group to take place at the same time as the team are playing and 7000 of the fans you should be attracting are actually going to be like... going the game ...is fucking stupid.

Armchair ultras we are here!  Sat on our arse with a can of beer!  Moaning about the atmosphere!

[smig]

Surely planning a meeting of some self-styled ultra group to take place at the same time as the team are playing and 7000 of the fans you should be attracting are actually going to be like... going the game ...is fucking stupid.

Armchair ultras we are here!  Sat on our arse with a can of beer!  Moaning about the atmosphere!

Yeah, not the best day to organise something of this ilk.

[KiNki]

why not take it down the annie road.  Get a big fat block next to the away fans.  Your motivation is right there sat next to you every home match. The microphones seem to be down that end of the pitch aswell.  The kop will sing when it wants to, stand when motivated by whats going on - on the pitch, and mumble and moan and sit on their hands when there's nothing to get them on the edge of their seats.

[Scud02]

To suggest a meeting before Blackburn was a stupid idea and I apologise if it has upset/annoyed anyone.  We'll get a proper date set in due course.

[Romford_Red]

why not take it down the annie road.  Get a big fat block next to the away fans.  Your motivation is right there sat next to you every home match. The microphones seem to be down that end of the pitch aswell.  The kop will sing when it wants to, stand when motivated by whats going on - on the pitch, and mumble and moan and sit on their hands when there's nothing to get them on the edge of their seats.

Agree with this. Number one priority should be to drown out away fans when they boo Luis at home.
I've found it embarassing to hear him booed of by the away support in recent matches, while our lot just sit there in silence, letting him take it.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

Agree with this. Number one priority should be to drown out away fans when they boo Luis at home.
I've found it embarassing to hear him booed of by the away support in recent matches, while our lot just sit there in silence, letting him take it.

Were you at the games? If so where were you sat? Did you try and get people around you going to drown out the boos?

If not then don't say you were embarrassed by the support. If you did the above things then fair enough and join in with the new group.

[Romford_Red]

Were you at the games? If so where were you sat? Did you try and get people around you going to drown out the boos?

If not then don't say you were embarrassed by the support. If you did the above things then fair enough and join in with the new group.

This is the kind of talk we don't need.
I have been to a few games this season, limited due to trivial things like buying a house, saving to get married and living in London.
The first was Norwich at home. I was sat in the main stand, right up the top, in the corner above the away fans and when we managed to get a chant or two going, to rally against the 'is this a library' chant, the Norwich fans applauded. Good lads.

I don't appreciate a post that is insulting. Putting a disclaimer in as your final sentence does not make a difference. Ask, before you insult.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

This is the kind of talk we don't need.
I have been to a few games this season, limited due to trivial things like buying a house, saving to get married and living in London.
The first was Norwich at home. I was sat in the main stand, right up the top, in the corner above the away fans and when we managed to get a chant or two going, to rally against the 'is this a library' chant, the Norwich fans applauded. Good lads.

I don't appreciate a post that is insulting. Putting a disclaimer in as your final sentence does not make a difference. Ask, before you insult.

How have I insulted you? If anything your post was insulting to lads at the match. How can you be 'embarrassed' by them if you didn't even go. That is insulting at least they were there. I understand how hard it is to go. I moved away from Liverpool for uni and struggled to keep up with going the match so I do know how it feels. But I would never dream of saying the support was embarrassing if I wasn't even there. What gives you the right?

[dannymc]

RAWK;

Please, please, don't do this.

[.Mike]

RAWK;

Please, please, don't do this.

Why?

[Giovanni]

Do you seriously think it's a bright idea to have a meeting based upon improving the match day atmosphere - in a pub when the match is on.

Surely the irony isn't lost on you?

[Red_Mist]

I've found it embarassing

Christ on a cracker.

(heard that line in Mad Men last night...congrats for giving me my first opportunity to use it 

[Giovanni]

This is the kind of talk we don't need.
I have been to a few games this season, limited due to trivial things like buying a house, saving to get married and living in London.
The first was Norwich at home. I was sat in the main stand, right up the top, in the corner above the away fans and when we managed to get a chant or two going, to rally against the 'is this a library' chant, the Norwich fans applauded. Good lads.

I don't appreciate a post that is insulting. Putting a disclaimer in as your final sentence does not make a difference. Ask, before you insult.

The point he's making is - don't criticise the support when your sat on your couch doing fuck all for the atmosphere.

And Luis gets protected by the kop every single game. I find it embrassing you think we don't.

Andy Carroll on the other hand..

[Romford_Red]

How have I insulted you? If anything your post was insulting to lads at the match. How can you be 'embarrassed' by them if you didn't even go. That is insulting at least they were there. I understand how hard it is to go. I moved away from Liverpool for uni and struggled to keep up with going the match so I do know how it feels. But I would never dream of saying the support was embarrassing if I wasn't even there. What gives you the right?

Meh, I'm out.
In my opinion, it is embarrassing that the home team's star player can get very loudly booed off. I'm sorry if that has been taken personally by anyone who was there, but that's just how I felt at the time.
I don't want to be part of a group where I can't be honest about how I feel about something.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

Meh, I'm out.
In my opinion, it is embarrassing that the home team's star player can get very loudly booed off. I'm sorry if that has been taken personally by anyone who was there, but that's just how I felt at the time.
I don't want to be part of a group where I can't be honest about how I feel about something.

How would you be part of a group when you don't go to the match though? It wouldn't be like the SOS where there would be a number of aims that many different fans can voice their opinions on and they would be valid. This group would be for regular match goers to make a difference to the atmosphere on a regular basis. Obviously people who come a few times a season can join in that would be the aim. But you wouldn't really be a part of the group if you came up twice a season or something.

[Scud02]

Do you seriously think it's a bright idea to have a meeting based upon improving the match day atmosphere - in a pub when the match is on.

Surely the irony isn't lost on you?

If you had read my second post in this thread you would have realised that I apologised for suggesting such a stupid idea, it was around 2am and I was tired, cut some slack man.

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

Quite frankly I think that anyone else who does not go to the majority of home games needs to follow Romford Red out of this thread. 

Threads about how to improve the atmosphere are primarily aimed at regular matchgoers.  Some blert slagging off the support from his armchair does not help. That is not to question your support or your love for the club, but unless you go week in week out then you are neither part of the problem or part of the solution so you should butt out

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

Quite frankly I think that anyone else who does not go to the majority of home games needs to follow Romford Red out of this thread. 

Threads about how to improve the atmosphere are primarily aimed at regular matchgoers.  Some blert slagging off the support from his armchair does not help. That is not to question your support or your love for the club, but unless you go week in week out then you are neither part of the problem or part of the solution so you should butt out

Put better than I ever could have.

[Fromola]

It should be in the Anny Road or Main Stand corner. Get a block at the back of the lower tier of the Anny, or the back of the Main Stand for people who want to sing and it'd make a difference. Liaise with the club and see if there's anything that could be done for next season. Even if it's just one block of maybe 100 tickets to start with and allow people to relocate their seasy. Then if we eventually move to a new ground allow something to be incorporated which can help the atmosphere.

I don't know if anyone's spoken to one of the supporters' committee and see what they can do. They'll have more power than the club than the SOS would anyway and it was setup for things like this.

Also the matchgoing fans on RAWK who'd be interested is a very small selection of fans overall. There's a lot of other Liverpool forums as well where fans would be interested in doing something.

[Eeyore]

Quite frankly I think that anyone else who does not go to the majority of home games needs to follow Romford Red out of this thread. 

Threads about how to improve the atmosphere are primarily aimed at regular matchgoers.  Some blert slagging off the support from his armchair does not help. That is not to question your support or your love for the club, but unless you go week in week out then you are neither part of the problem or part of the solution so you should butt out

As Arrigo Sacchi said "A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse".

Let's face those of us who have been going for decades have contributed and created the shite atmosphere what is wrong with an outsiders view.

[Romford_Red]

How would you be part of a group when you don't go to the match though? It wouldn't be like the SOS where there would be a number of aims that many different fans can voice their opinions on and they would be valid. This group would be for regular match goers to make a difference to the atmosphere on a regular basis. Obviously people who come a few times a season can join in that would be the aim. But you wouldn't really be a part of the group if you came up twice a season or something.

I've already stated that I do go to matches when I can.
Can I not be part of a group, just because I don't get to enough games to be considered 'regular'?
I thought one of the criticisoms of OOTs and day tripers was that they didn't get involved?

If this is the case and you can't be part of this unless you're a regular, then it's destined to fail, isn't it?
Who cares if people go regularly? The point is to get as many people as possible involved, isn't it?

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

As Arrigo Sacchi said "A jockey doesn't have to have been born a horse".

Let's face those of us who have been going for decades have contributed and created the shite atmosphere what is wrong with an outsiders view.

Because you can't say you're embarrassed of supporters when you yourself aren't supporting the team. It doesn't make any sense. This group would probably more aimed at young lads anyway. That is part of the problem there are so many fellas around Anfield who have been going for decades (and rightly so) who can't be arsed any more. We would want this to be predominantly for a younger fans to help set the example for the next generation of reds. Some of us (myself included) were lucky enough to have our education from dads, uncles etc. who were match goers. How do the new fans learn all the songs? How do they learn the ways the fans conduct themselves in the Liverpool way? Something needs to be done now whilst there is still potential for the atmosphere to be great as we saw in the City semi. If we don't it will be very easy to just end up like the Mancs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc with no atmosphere or character whatsoever.

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

I've already stated that I do go to matches when I can.
Can I not be part of a group, just because I don't get to enough games to be considered 'regular'?
I thought one of the criticisoms of OOTs and day tripers was that they didn't get involved?

If this is the case and you can't be part of this unless you're a regular, then it's destined to fail, isn't it?
Who cares if people go regularly? The point is to get as many people as possible involved, isn't it?

So just ignore the part where I said the aim would be to get day trippers involved? What is needed is a group that go regularly, get to know each other and form routines etc. Like the way it used to be when you stood on the same part of the Kop every week with your mates. Then the atmosphere will improve and be consistent making it easier for the likes of yourself who doesn't come often to join in. Where am I alienating OOTs? There are plenty of OOTs who go every week. The lad who made the initial post is Northern Irish for god sake!

[Eeyore]

Because you can't say you're embarrassed of supporters when you yourself aren't supporting the team. It doesn't make any sense. This group would probably more aimed at young lads anyway. That is part of the problem there are so many fellas around Anfield who have been going for decades (and rightly so) who can't be arsed any more. We would want this to be predominantly for a younger fans to help set the example for the next generation of reds. Some of us (myself included) were lucky enough to have our education from dads, uncles etc. who were match goers. How do the new fans learn all the songs? How do they learn the ways the fans conduct themselves in the Liverpool way? Something needs to be done now whilst there is still potential for the atmosphere to be great as we saw in the City semi. If we don't it will be very easy to just end up like the Mancs, Arsenal, Chelsea etc with no atmosphere or character whatsoever.

I've had a season ticket for over twenty years but because of family circumstances can't go to the away games anymore that doesn't stop me being proud of our away support. I think you are spot on about getting new blood into the support though there are far too many miserable auld bastards sitting on their hands moaning about the atmosphere but the only time they make any noise it is to groan at the likes of Henderson or latterly Lucas.

The thing is we have let them get away with it.

[lachesis]

So just ignore the part where I said the aim would be to get day trippers involved? What is needed is a group that go regularly, get to know each other and form routines etc. Like the way it used to be when you stood on the same part of the Kop every week with your mates.

Exactly, essentially something like this needs to be led by STH because they get exactly the same seat for every game. There's too much randomness thrown in with members sales and general which is why I think open seating (although it would have many issues to overcome) is a tangible thing to suggest or at least get the idea out there so ideas can be put forth on how to incorporate it into the new/redeveloped stadium.

Just being 20 rows down makes a massive difference in terms of people round you and like minded fans.

[Johnny Foreigner]

I've already stated that I do go to matches when I can.
Can I not be part of a group, just because I don't get to enough games to be considered 'regular'?

there is no group and will never be a group.. there are people that goes regularly and knows the score that can contribute to a better atmosphere.. currently there is not enough of them, or they don't bother of the stadium infrastruture kills any attempt..

by not going to the match regularly both of us are excluding ourselves from these people.. I'l also love to be a part of the hooters dressing room but unfortunately a couple of things are preventing me there as well..

[ohweloveyerbaldyhead]

@Al 555 - The problem I find being a younger lad is that I feel that I am in no position to tell an auld arse how to support a club he has supported since before I was born. I have no right too. Even though sometimes I feel like shaking them and saying you did this to Lucas, you are doing it again to Henderson when will you learn??? This is why I think it would be better to get it ranging from teens to mid twenties.

@Lachesis - I'm not an STH myself but I do agree with you. Get a few who want to be moved who are up for it and missed the opportunity with the 306 block. Then get the club to play ball with members allowing us to purchase tickets in the suggested area.

[KiNki]

the anny road blocks are available every home game.  As are the main stand block by the away fans.  Large blocks of the kop just aren't.  Its far more 'doable' to try and get abunch of people who are up for it to get in those blocks, and develop it, week by week.

main stand giz a song, main stand main stand giz a song.
Kemlyn giz a song, kemlyn, kemlyn giz a song.
Anny road lower next to the away end bastards giz a song.  Bit of a mouthful but would be nice to kind of reserect.