Topic: Chewer of Toffees, scourge of Barça, Peeler of Spuds, Arse kicker, Wolves slayer

[Mighty_Red]

Really scratching my head with this one.

We buy exciting young prospect, he shows promise and actually starts delivering (rare for a young striker), then we ship him out and give Sturbridge and Solanke (an inferior talent, just IMO) minutes he could've had...

He got tons of minutes last season, but unfortunately did not fit into the team, despite a few goals around Xmas. He certainly wasn't producing the performances he had prior to that injury in the derby because of that c*nt.

From the evidence of pre-season, he looked behind Solanke in terms of what he can offer to the side, so I think the best thing was for him to go away and get more starts elsewhere. I don't think 3-4 starts this season would've helped him progress. Hope he can kick on and come back next season but we are not at that stage yet.

[Yorkykopite]

Is it a mystery? Almost without exception each Liverpool player improved under Klopp. The one who didn’t was Origi. He started well enough but by the end he had seriously regressed. There were times when he actually appeared to be hiding from the ball.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Is it a mystery? Almost without exception each Liverpool player improved under Klopp. The one who didn’t was Origi. He started well enough but by the end he had seriously regressed. There were times when he actually appeared to be hiding from the ball.

I think the issue with Origi was that his off the ball movement was rather non-existant, to say the least. He's great at playing the vertical game, but he never could play the interchange with the front 3 properly. Add to that he always looked like he had stamina issues. Great striker nevertheless, and he's getting a chance in Wolfsburg to learn the pressing game on a more consistent basis. Hopefully he returns a different player.

[ManiacKop]

I like origi. There is a proper player in there. For someone still young he can still improve as well.
Not comparing him to solanke because they are different types of striker. I would say that solanke has not looked ready this season. Origi may have given a few extra options off the bench.

[Eeyore]

Whatever people say he was pretty crucial to us getting top 4 last season. He came on and broke the deadlock with a fantastic goal at Home to Sunderland when it look like Moyes park the bus tactics would frustrate us. He also scored in League draws against West Ham and Bournemouth plus he sealed the derby win against Everton with the third in a 3-1 win.

In all comps Coutinho scored 14, Mane 13, Firmino 12 and Origi got 11 so he had a decent return for a back up striker.

He is still only 22 and for me is worth giving another chance to if he can develop further whilst on loan.

[pjk66]

Whatever people say he was pretty crucial to us getting top 4 last season. He came on and broke the deadlock with a fantastic goal at Home to Sunderland when it look like Moyes park the bus tactics would frustrate us. He also scored in League draws against West Ham and Bournemouth plus he sealed the derby win against Everton with the third in a 3-1 win.

In all comps Coutinho scored 14, Mane 13, Firmino 12 and Origi got 11 so he had a decent return for a back up striker.

He is still only 22 and for me is worth giving another chance to if he can develop further whilst on loan.

yeah I would stick with him. no harm at all.

how is he doing in Germany??

[Dim Glas]

yeah I would stick with him. no harm at all.

how is he doing in Germany??

Wolfsburg want to make the deal permenent, so they are liking what they see.

He's has been playing pretty much every game for them. He played some games on the right wing at times in the first half of the season, cos of Mario Gomez being the main striker, but he's left now to go back to Stuttgart, so Origi will be their main striker now for the 2nd half of the season. 

[pjk66]

Wolfsburg want to make the deal permenent, so they are liking what they see.

He's has been playing pretty much every game for them. He played some games on the right wing at times in the first half of the season, cos of Mario Gomez being the main striker, but he's left now to go back to Stuttgart, so Origi will be their main striker now for the 2nd half of the season.

Thanks. all seems very positive so.

I say Klopp will have a serious think about him in the summer

[David Struhme]

Hasn't he only scored 4 goals this season? Doesn't seem like a very good return for an attacking player

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

Hasn't he only scored 4 goals this season? Doesn't seem like a very good return for an attacking player

He wasn’t in the 9 slot before the winter break. Though now it seems he will be the main man without Gomez. His production should pick up, theoretically.

But Wolfsburg are pretty dire this term. Not sure if he will get much joy in the second half.

[Dim Glas]

thats another thing with Origi staying at Wolfsburg - frankly, he can do much better. Wolfsburg - the draw specialists of the season, are going to have start turning them draws into wins if they want any chance at qualifying for Europe next season - they are 6 places out at the moment, so it'd be a massive ask. There's better clubs in the Bundesliga he could end up at if he wants to stay in the league, clubs who would be in Europe.

[G Richards]

Offer him to Leipzig, plus cash, for Werner.

[Caligula?]

We should have kept him and loaned out Solanke, who is nowhere near ready for this level as of yet.

[farawayred]

We should have kept him and loaned out Solanke, who is nowhere near ready for this level as of yet.

Hindsight is a wonderful teacher. How many games would have either of those had had Sturridge been half-time fit?

[LFC when it suits]

Hindsight is a wonderful teacher. How many games would have either of those had had Sturridge been half-time fit?

Origi started games ahead of Sturridge multiple times over the previous two seasons.

[farawayred]

Origi started games ahead of Sturridge multiple times over the previous two seasons.

Sturridge was t really fit though. He just got properly fit this season

[Geormajesty]

We should have kept him and loaned out Solanke, who is nowhere near ready for this level as of yet.

Solanke has played 376 minutes in the league and 14 in the CL. Do you really think Origi would have been happy with that?

[Alonso_The_Assassin]

He certainly wasn't producing the performances he had prior to that injury in the derby because of that c*nt.

Hasn't been the same player since. A shame because I think he could've really been a player for us. Hopefully he still can, but we'll see.

[disgraced cake]

Can't hurt for us to keep hold next season. I think we made the wrong decision to let him go out on loan, to be honest.

Sturridge is surely gone by the summer, if not this month. Ings I can't see ever getting another chance in the team. I like Solanke, hopefully he kicks on soon with a few goals, but I wouldn't have him in the pecking order above Divock.

Bring him back in, and if it doesn't work out, someone will pay 15 million or something the next season.

[Tony19:6]

At 18 he looked a real prodigy, leading the line at the WC and looking a real talent, when we signed him I thought great.

I think some people are forgetting how poor (performance-wise) he was last season, he looked like he had totally regressed. Hiding from the ball, deliberately positioning himself where he couldn't actually make a meaningful challenge - he seemed to have lost his bottle?

His goals however (11?) masked his overall performances in some people's view, which I believe it was the reason Jurgen shipped him off, a decision I totally agree with.
 

[clinical]

I assume we can recall him if we let Sturridge leave because I fail to believe the club can let both Sturridge and Coutinho go without a replacement. I fail to believe that could be the case. No chance.

[CraigDS]

I assume we can recall him

Not unless:

a. there is a recall clause in the original deal (you'd doubt it given what Wolfsburg paid for the deal)
b. Wolfsburg agree to it. If they say no then we can't force the deal. Given they've sold a striker already this window I doubt they'll agree.

[clinical]

Not unless:

a. there is a recall clause in the original deal (you'd doubt it given what Wolfsburg paid for the deal)
b. Wolfsburg agree to it. If they say no then we can't force the deal. Given they've sold a striker already this window I doubt they'll agree.

Yeah thought that could well be the case. It wouldn't be so bad if we could get Origi back.

[LFC when it suits]

At 18 he looked a real prodigy, leading the line at the WC and looking a real talent, when we signed him I thought great.

I think some people are forgetting how poor (performance-wise) he was last season, he looked like he had totally regressed. Hiding from the ball, deliberately positioning himself where he couldn't actually make a meaningful challenge - he seemed to have lost his bottle?

His goals however (11?) masked his overall performances in some people's view, which I believe it was the reason Jurgen shipped him off, a decision I totally agree with.
 

He was 21 last season. Everyone is forgetting that. His overall performances were excellent the season prior before he got injured in the derby. It's not always an upwards trajectory when developing a player.

As you said though, his productivity was good and he scored some important goals for us that allowed us to get CL football.

[Dim Glas]

Big Div stars for Wolfsburg this evening in their DFB Pokal quarter final away to Schalke 04. Hopefully he'll be able to make it 2 goals in 2 games

Should be a tough game away to Schalke, do him good 

[4pool]

Origi or Solanke...

Imho, would be that Origi has trained with Klopp and the first team. So Jurgen has seen him in action and drilled him on our style. Now in order to get more match time he was loaned out.

Solanke is new to LFC and Klopp. Jurgen is taking this season to intergrate him into his thinking and style of play. After at least a year of being trained with the first team, Dom as well might be loaned out next summer to get more first team action. But Jurgen wants time with him first just like he did with Divock.

[Miltonred]

Origi or Solanke...

Imho, would be that Origi has trained with Klopp and the first team. So Jürgen has seen him in action and drilled him on our style. Now in order to get more match time he was loaned out.

Solanke is new to LFC and Klopp. Jürgen is taking this season to intergrate him into his thinking and style of play. After at least a year of being trained with the first team, Dom as well might be loaned out next summer to get more first team action. But Jürgen wants time with him first just like he did with Divock.

No that I disagree, but what you are essentially saying here is that our backup striker is only here to get a bit of experience and learn the ropes.
There is something wrong with that picture.

[only6times]

Big Div stars for Wolfsburg this evening in their DFB Pokal quarter final away to Schalke 04. Hopefully he'll be able to make it 2 goals in 2 games

Should be a tough game away to Schalke, do him good 

I like Divock but was made up he didn't score as he would have killed my bet. On his day he is unplayable, seems to have a nental block on some days though when he is average to say the least.

[KopThat]

What is in store for Divock Origi, he would have been a nice option to have on the bench for the Champions League Final

31 appearances and 6 goals at Wolfsburg

[CraigDS]

Been pretty poor at Wolfsburg. Only a year left so would be surprised if we don't move him on.

[El Lobo]

I'd think the sensible thing would be a new contract and then see how he fares in pre-season, maybe then either keep him around the squad or loan him out to a PL side and see how he gets on. His stock is about as low as it could be right now.

[Jookie]

Origi or Solanke...

Imho, would be that Origi has trained with Klopp and the first team. So Jurgen has seen him in action and drilled him on our style. Now in order to get more match time he was loaned out.

Solanke is new to LFC and Klopp. Jurgen is taking this season to intergrate him into his thinking and style of play. After at least a year of being trained with the first team, Dom as well might be loaned out next summer to get more first team action. But Jurgen wants time with him first just like he did with Divock.

I can see this line of thinking. From a Liverpool angle, the trusted sources in the media have always suggested that Origi's loan was not with the view to a permanent deal. Even as the loan period came to an end there has been suggestions that Klopp had still not decided his course of action with Origi.

I always felt there was a possibility that we loaned Origi instead of Solanke for the reasons you stated above. Solanke is needed time to adjust to our tactical system and could probably deal with the smaller playing time. Origi knew the system but needed games, particularly in a World Cup year. I suppose the idea might have been that the loan gave Origi the games and form to come back a more rounded player. That might not be the case given his performances with Wolfsburg. There may be some mitigating circumstances though. I watched Wolfsburg a few times this season and they were dire. Origi was part of that but it would have been difficult for most young forwards to excel in that team.

I still wouldn't be surprised in Origi stays for next season and Solanke goes out on loan. Number off factors here though. One might be Origi's willingness to stay and be 5th/6th choice forward.

[CraigDS]

I'd think the sensible thing would be a new contract and then see how he fares in pre-season, maybe then either keep him around the squad or loan him out to a PL side and see how he gets on. His stock is about as low as it could be right now.

Can't see a PL side being willing to guarantee him minutes after how he performed last season, which would make the loan pointless. Our best bet is probably hoping someone will offer us £10-15m for him with either a buyback or a sell on clause in there in case he comes good.

[LFC when it suits]

Been pretty poor at Wolfsburg. Only a year left so would be surprised if we don't move him on.

Started well at Wolfsburg and struggled in the second half of the season. Showed up when it mattered in the relegation play off 1st leg ensuring Wolfsburg stayed in the bundesliga. Even though he didn't light the world on fire, it was a good experience in a different league where he got lots of game time and played different positions. He is best success came earlier in the season coming off the right.

We should offer him a new contract and keep him as back up to Firmino. He is still only 23 and is far ahead of Ings and Solanke with his prime years to come. So unless we want to go out and spend on another front man, no point in moving him on. He is another option who can play multiple positions and has the threat of pace that we really lack if Salah or Mane is not available. No brainer for me.

[JackWard33]

Ahh Divock ... takes me back a couple of years to his hot streak when I and a couple of others were posting he doesn’t get into dangerous positions / get enough shots off to be a top level striker and everyone was getting angry and saying he scored goals etc.... he was a good case of a not great forward going through a purple patch.
Given the rise of ‘stat awareness’ (?!) I think it would be less controversial to suggest someone whose scored a few isn’t necessarily top class in future

Hard to know what his level is now. He could probably be okay at a Bournemouth type level - because he’s a goal scorer someone will take a flier on him and he’ll get another chance to succeed.
From a Liverpool point of view it’s jsut about maximizing what we get for him whether that’s a sale or contract and loan or whatever

[Giono]

I'd think the sensible thing would be a new contract and then see how he fares in pre-season, maybe then either keep him around the squad or loan him out to a PL side and see how he gets on. His stock is about as low as it could be right now.

Nobody else wants him, but we should keep him around? Isn’t that throwing good money after bad? He cost us maybe 10 million. We will probably recoup some of that.

Wan’t he offered to Monaco and they had no interest?

His agent is talking Turkey trying to big up his client. That’s not great.

[jooneyisdagod]

I'm not convinced he has the close control, the invention and skill that is a hallmark of a striker in his mould. He looks like a player with one or two tricks and a decent bit of acceleration, which makes him reasonably successful at youth level when it comes off but professional footballers are much more intelligent in their reading of the game and he looks like he has no answers.

[KingKolo]

Ahh Divock ... takes me back a couple of years to his hot streak when I and a couple of others were posting he doesn’t get into dangerous positions / get enough shots off to be a top level striker and everyone was getting angry and saying he scored goals etc.... he was a good case of a not great forward going through a purple patch.
Given the rise of ‘stat awareness’ (?!) I think it would be less controversial to suggest someone whose scored a few isn’t necessarily top class in future

Hahahaha... if you want to get all sanctimonious and 'I told you so' about stuff, what are you saying about Sturridge these days?

[KingKolo]

I'd think the sensible thing would be a new contract and then see how he fares in pre-season, maybe then either keep him around the squad or loan him out to a PL side and see how he gets on. His stock is about as low as it could be right now.

I don't think a new contract is a good idea at all.

[El Lobo]

Nobody else wants him, but we should keep him around? Isn’t that throwing good money after bad? He cost us maybe 10 million. We will probably recoup some of that.

Wan’t he offered to Monaco and they had no interest?

His agent is talking Turkey trying to big up his client. That’s not great.

 

So wait....no-one else wants him, so we should sell him? Makes perfect sense.....

I'm sure quite a few clubs would want him, its a good punt for £10 million odd. I'd keep him around on a new contract cos I think there's a good player in there, and he's still very young. We don't need to stockpile loanees like Chelsea, but I think we can afford to with a few.