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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #880 on: November 9, 2011, 10:08:44 pm »
Dossena 7m - Failure, but if you think he lacked pace then you are frankly mental. Sorry Brentie, but he was fast as hell. Slow on the turn maybe, but that's not what you were saying is it?
Riera 7m - Great for a season, was a dick.
Skrtel 6m - Bizarre that you ignore him. For me a clear success, but even if you have doubts you can't argue with his quality as a squad player for £6million, that's peanuts.
Lucas 6m - Obvious success.
Yossi 5m - Obvious success, turned out a dick again unfortunately.
Soto 1.5m - Again for the price, a clear success.
Ngog 1.5m - Sold for, what, double, triple the cash? Reasonable goals per minutes ratio, thrown into the first team too quickly perhaps but a solid signing for the price.
Voro free - Ok, not a success. £2million profit.
Maxi free - For free? Can't argue with his contribution so far, excellent squad player.

So I make that 4 clear successes, Skrtel, Maxi, Yossi, Lucas, 1 definite success for the price in Soto, 2 that you could take either way in Ngog and Riera, plus Voro. Did we get Bellamy under G&H too? I can't remember now. Poor. Anyway...

Not bad really. Plus are you even counting all the 'failures' from those early years? Pellegrino, Nunez, Josemi...I can't be arsed to remember them all to be honest, but still, that leaves us with about a 50/50 success rate which is about what you expect from transfers full stop - that's the benchmark really, below that you're doing badly, above it well.

It also ignores slightly the fact of football inflation - £10million bought a lot more in Rafa's first couple of seasons than it did in his last couple.


The point about inflation is a good one and one I thought about. But then, you start looking at 7m ounds players being worth 15m or so and it looks even worse for Rafa.

Indeed, he made 6 signings above 10m under G+h - Torres, Masch, Keane, Aquilani, Johnson, Babel and only 2 were successes. You had 3 failures and one who the jury is still out on in Johnson.

Listen, my point is that Rafa made some very good not expensive signings under Moores, players that improved out first 11 a huge amount. Agger, Pepe, Arbeloa, Garcia, Momo, Crouch etc... Under the Yanks, aint noone comes close to that list of players bar Lucas and Yossi. Not a single one.

I dont care if Voro or Ngog made us a profit, just as I dont care Bellamy did under Moores. They didnt improve the side or squad and thus were not good signings. Luis Garcia was a fantastic signing, yet we lost money on him. He was still a much better signing than some others that did fuck all in red shirts yet still made us money.

Fact of the matter is, in the last transfer window Rafa had money to spend (08) he spent around 20m negative net spend and seriously weakened the squad. Instead of Riise we had Dossena, insted of Crouch we had Keane. Riera was ok for a season but awful the next. Then, in the next Summer where we had 37.5m gross to spend, Rafa weakened the side again- trading sideways despite a 14m difference in Johnson for Arbeloa and weakening heavilly in Aquilani for Alonso.

I really believe that if you gave Rafa in 2005-06, 37.5m from the sale of a few players, he would have replaced them alot better than he did in 09. By then, too many battles, too many scars, loss of focus, loss of energy, loss of trust etc... all played a huge toll on him and he let his eye off the ball.

 
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #881 on: November 9, 2011, 10:13:01 pm »
Agree on Dossena, deceptively quick off the mark. Brain was the predominant issue and a little technique.

Riera, ironically enough lost the plot due to us trying to bring in Silva, which the former took as a personal slight.

You could have used Voronin's description for Ngog, but you couldn't resist could you ;)

Nope Bellamy was signed summer '06 just prior to our malignant diagnosis.

As for missing early era 'failures', I give you Jan Kronkamp, the temp path-clearer for Arbeloa.

Brentie also incorrectly identified Masch as coming in the summer of '07, when he signed in the preceding winter window - I've blocked out the vast majority of Athens but the sight of him constantly chasing and bringing down Kaka like a cheetah vs a gazelle is one of the two memories still stored for posterity (the other one involves Xabi).


No mate, I said both Skrtel and Masch came after the Summer of 07 spending. Masch was on loan from January I know. But we only bought him after Athens,

As for Dossena, I thought he was terribly slow when being run at. Ill never forget the sight of Bernard Mendy absolutely tearing him a new arsehole at Anfield in the 2-2 draw versus Hull. I definately dodnt think hes fast, certainly not Johnson or Enrique fast.

End of the say, Rafa made some great signings and some awful ones. It's my view that he made the majority of his good ones under Moores.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #883 on: November 9, 2011, 10:13:31 pm »
Then when why didn't we get him, he went to Valencia for 7 million afterall?

We got Crouch. Remember the amount of bile that Rafa only bought Spaniards and ignored that he signed and got the very best out of Crouch.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #885 on: November 9, 2011, 10:17:19 pm »
...I completely disagree with that. For me Mash and Torres are two of his best signings full stop, with Torres the absolute stand-out in terms of the improvement he made to the squad, but I can't really argue with your broad conclusion that his transfers, overall, were better at the beginning. I think that's probably fair enough.

Though it should be taken into account that, for all that Parry and Moores were fucking useless, they didn't actually fuck him around in terms of blocking transfers, or forcing players he really didn't want onto him. Once G&H and especially Purslow rode into town he wasn't only operating under miles more pressure, with disfunction all over the place, but with owners and then a CEO or whatever Purslow was who actively fucked with his transfers, and pulled the rug out at the last minute repeatedly. He only had one window of really having the proper kind of support under them, and in that one he bought Torres and finalised the Mash deal. I think he got Yossi in that window too, though my memory's not a patch on Rossi's for that stuff, clearly!

Just as one example, we had Khaladze lined up on a free...the rug was pulled on that deal. Not a great great player by any means but could have made a massive difference given the problems we had at LB and CB in the last two seasons, final season in particular.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #886 on: November 9, 2011, 10:18:49 pm »
Fantastic source.
People keep saying we have been linked to David Villa both before and during his stay at Valencia yet I can't find one credible source that has ever stated this.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #887 on: November 9, 2011, 10:21:52 pm »
Though it should be taken into account that, for all that Parry and Moores were fucking useless, they didn't actually fuck him around in terms of blocking transfers, or forcing players he really didn't want onto him. Once G&H and especially Purslow rode into town he wasn't only operating under miles more pressure, with disfunction all over the place, but with owners and then a CEO or whatever Purslow was who actively fucked with his transfers, and pulled the rug out at the last minute repeatedly. He only had one window of really having the proper kind of support under them, and in that one he bought Torres and finalised the Mash deal. I think he got Yossi in that window too, though my memory's not a patch on Rossi's for that stuff, clearly!

That was what I was trying to get at with my earlier post. The club's debt also meant that he couldn't really correct any mistakes as most of the money on "flops" who were sold was going straight to the banks, used to be paying earlier transfer (like very little being left from the sales of Dossena and Babel while we had to pay installments for Aquilani) or used to extend existing contracts (which I had never heard of before)...

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #888 on: November 9, 2011, 10:25:05 pm »
People keep saying we have been linked to David Villa both before and during his stay at Valencia yet I can't find one credible source that has ever stated this.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #889 on: November 9, 2011, 10:25:08 pm »
People keep saying we have been linked to David Villa both before and during his stay at Valencia yet I can't find one credible source that has ever stated this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/2305190/Liverpool-target-Spanish-striker-David-Villa-to-replace-Portsmouth-bound-Peter-Crouch.html

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #890 on: November 9, 2011, 10:26:43 pm »
Torres and Mash are deffo two of his best buys.. I would give the half of our midfielders now to have Mash back... Johnson is not a failure ...and Keane (sold for 15m£) and Babel are not failures either..  Failure is Bebe or Manucho or Shevchenko for 30 m £... The rest is always bit of a gamble and when it turns bad people like Brentie start doing the transfers specialist reading into the past... 
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #891 on: November 9, 2011, 10:31:15 pm »
Fact of the matter is, in the last transfer window Rafa had money to spend (08) he spent around 20m negative net spend and seriously weakened the squad. Instead of Riise we had Dossena, insted of Crouch we had Keane. Riera was ok for a season but awful the next. Then, in the next Summer where we had 37.5m gross to spend, Rafa weakened the side again- trading sideways despite a 14m difference in Johnson for Arbeloa and weakening heavilly in Aquilani for Alonso.
I really believe that if you gave Rafa in 2005-06, 37.5m from the sale of a few players, he would have replaced them alot better than he did in 09. By then, too many battles, too many scars, loss of focus, loss of energy, loss of trust etc... all played a huge toll on him and he let his eye off the ball.

He was restricted to buying from Roma and Portsmouth as they owed us money, which meant G&H didn't need to put up any money.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #892 on: November 9, 2011, 10:32:41 pm »
...I completely disagree with that. For me Mash and Torres are two of his best signings full stop, with Torres the absolute stand-out in terms of the improvement he made to the squad, but I can't really argue with your broad conclusion that his transfers, overall, were better at the beginning. I think that's probably fair enough.

Though it should be taken into account that, for all that Parry and Moores were fucking useless, they didn't actually fuck him around in terms of blocking transfers, or forcing players he really didn't want onto him. Once G&H and especially Purslow rode into town he wasn't only operating under miles more pressure, with disfunction all over the place, but with owners and then a CEO or whatever Purslow was who actively fucked with his transfers, and pulled the rug out at the last minute repeatedly. He only had one window of really having the proper kind of support under them, and in that one he bought Torres and finalised the Mash deal. I think he got Yossi in that window too, though my memory's not a patch on Rossi's for that stuff, clearly!

Just as one example, we had Khaladze lined up on a free...the rug was pulled on that deal. Not a great great player by any means but could have made a massive difference given the problems we had at LB and CB in the last two seasons, final season in particular.

Agreed on all of that, especially that Masch and Nando were 2 of our best signings.

On the last bit, I am a bit grateful for that though. The only good thing the Yanks ever did for me was blocking the Barry buy. But otherwise, I agree with that entire post.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #893 on: November 9, 2011, 10:39:08 pm »
People keep saying we have been linked to David Villa both before and during his stay at Valencia yet I can't find one credible source that has ever stated this.
When Guillem Balague was asked a question about the possability of Villa moving to Liverpool :


"I NEVER EVER said that Villa was going to Liverpool. I will buy you a free holiday to the Caribbean if you can prove I said that. This is a case of Chinese whispers because what I actually said was that he wasn't going to Liverpool, despite all the rumours. I was quite insistent on that and repeated that several times online, but somehow when I said he was not going to Liverpool, people seemed to think I was saying that he was - and I don't know why! He never ever had the chance to go to Liverpool. The closest he came was when Rafa Benitez had a list of strikers he was looking to bring in with Samuel Eto'o at the top, then Diego Forlan and Fernando Torres. Villa was on the list, but further down because Benitez didn't think he was going to be as good as the others for the type of football he wanted to play."

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #894 on: November 9, 2011, 10:47:02 pm »
He was restricted to buying from Roma and Portsmouth as they owed us money, which meant G&H didn't need to put up any money.
Ignoring the fact that we signed up to an additional €15m debt with Roma (owing on JAR), and a further £10m with Portsmouth (owing on Crouch).
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #895 on: November 9, 2011, 10:50:39 pm »
When Guillem Balague was asked a question about the possability of Villa moving to Liverpool :


"I NEVER EVER said that Villa was going to Liverpool. I will buy you a free holiday to the Caribbean if you can prove I said that. This is a case of Chinese whispers because what I actually said was that he wasn't going to Liverpool, despite all the rumours. I was quite insistent on that and repeated that several times online, but somehow when I said he was not going to Liverpool, people seemed to think I was saying that he was - and I don't know why! He never ever had the chance to go to Liverpool. The closest he came was when Rafa Benitez had a list of strikers he was looking to bring in with Samuel Eto'o at the top, then Diego Forlan and Fernando Torres. Villa was on the list, but further down because Benitez didn't think he was going to be as good as the others for the type of football he wanted to play."

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #896 on: November 9, 2011, 10:56:08 pm »
Rafa's signings didn't always work out. It's the case for every manager. BUT, the reasons, the ideas for signing the players, were good and clear. In contrast, Hodgson/Purslow signed players that didn't make sense. We signed older players for positions where we needed younger blood. That is just very bad management. Even more so when we had so little cash to spend. Those signings just created a bigger job this last summer. It was so obvious and it's shocking that we made such errors. It also puts Kenny's and Comolli's work in a different light. They did a fantastic job to put the squad back to balance in such short period of time. Because Kenny has put us back on the right track. All signings haven't worked out so far, but the reasons for signing them were clear.

IMO Rafa's only real mistake was the signing of Keane. Because what we really needed was a 20M LM to complement Gerrard, Kuyt and Torres. Not a backup player for spots where we were already strong. Said it back then, that Keane didn't make sense. Even signing an injured Aquilani was better. It was at least a calculated risk. High risk, but AA filled a gap while Keane, for that money, was always going to be a backup for Torres/Gerrard. It was a mistake we corrected as fast as we could. With that kind of thought process, we'll be alright.

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« Reply #897 on: November 9, 2011, 10:58:13 pm »
Agreed on all of that, especially that Masch and Nando were 2 of our best signings.

On the last bit, I am a bit grateful for that though. The only good thing the Yanks ever did for me was blocking the Barry buy. But otherwise, I agree with that entire post.

You really think that?? You mus have watched city this year? He has been unreal mate. He is the engine in their midfield, breaks up play, keeps things ticking, and can pick out a pass to silva who is ripping defences apart. Compare that to us over the past 2 years and that is exactly what we havent had, especially when Alonso went and when SG is injured.

Watching him play at the weekend it hit me why Rafa wanted him so badly to replace Alonso. Rafa is such an intelligent man and can spot a player who fits into his system better than any manager in the world. He's a tactical genius and I love the guy!
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #898 on: November 9, 2011, 11:20:26 pm »
He didn't want to leave Spain.

Pretty much.  His wife was preggers back in 2005 when he moved from Zaragoza and he was asked about it in the interviews regarding a move to us which he said he wasn't interested in moving to England.  That's where we got the not liking the Beatles quip from.  Sort of as a joke he said something along the lines of "No I'm not going to Liverpool, besides I don't even like the Beatles"

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« Reply #899 on: November 9, 2011, 11:23:40 pm »
Ignoring the fact that we signed up to an additional €15m debt with Roma (owing on JAR), and a further £10m with Portsmouth (owing on Crouch).

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« Reply #900 on: November 9, 2011, 11:33:32 pm »
IMO Rafa's only real mistake was the signing of Keane which was pushed through by Rick Parry, the debacle ending up in Parry leaving.
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« Reply #901 on: November 9, 2011, 11:49:10 pm »
Ballague was and remains a goalpost-shifting backtracking self-aggrandizing bullshitter of the highest order.

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« Reply #902 on: November 10, 2011, 12:17:43 am »
In case anyone is any doubt about just exactly what Rafael Benitez brought to this club, they ought to read this comprehensive list of attributes neatly summarised...

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Benitez-to-come-back-/blog/5450689/173471.html

Some of the comments are even worse:

"you think the new owners are going to get garbage back at anfield???....no one would make the mistake of bringing benitez back to anfield...........why are you ppl writing such s**t blogs.........."

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« Reply #903 on: November 10, 2011, 12:39:10 am »
It's not really about the players signed so I apologise for going off topic, but I just happened to think for a moment how fantastic it is that we are blessed with two giants amongst men, in Rafa and Kenny, who once were foreigners but now have proved their love and desire to fight tooth and nail for the club, at the detriment to themselves.  I'm also old enough to remember all the shit we got at making Kenny player manager! The awl place must be something special eh for such great men to fight our fight :)

We can compare that to Hodgson as an example of what happens when we do what we're told like good little boys :p
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« Reply #904 on: November 10, 2011, 01:00:47 am »
I googled david villa liverpool and got http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/881208-david-villa-linked-with-shock-liverpool-move-amid-lionel-messi-row-rumours

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That's never gonna happen. Even when he was at Valencia and we had Rafa and the rest of the Spanish lot at Liverpool who were all his mates, he wasn't interested.
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« Reply #905 on: November 10, 2011, 01:34:29 am »
he said he didnt like the Beatles when he was at Zaragoza
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« Reply #906 on: November 10, 2011, 02:16:52 am »
In case anyone is any doubt about just exactly what Rafael Benitez brought to this club, they ought to read this comprehensive list of attributes neatly summarised...

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Benitez-to-come-back-/blog/5450689/173471.html

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Saw your comments to my blog and if you read it all i have said Credit to Benitez for his Hillsboro support.

You have your opinions I have mine in regards to him as Manager, what I wrote was written  honestly about his stay at Anfield I understand not everyone will agree but each is entitled to an opinion what it does NOT mean is I am wrong and you are right or Vica-Versa itspeople having different opinions.But agree that all we want is the best for Liverpool.

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« Reply #907 on: November 10, 2011, 04:29:23 am »
People keep saying we have been linked to David Villa both before and during his stay at Valencia yet I can't find one credible source that has ever stated this.

Sigh.... If only we had quality owners then.... H&G+P, you are scum...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/2303985/Rafa-Benitez-to-demand-50m-to-strengthen-Liverpool-squad.html

Rafa Benitez to demand £50m to strengthen Liverpool squad
Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez is to request a £50 million transfer kitty from the club's owners as he bids to bring three major signings to Anfield this summer.

Tom Hicks and George Gillett have reportedly ended their feud and are back on speaking terms, after a year of infighting.

With peace seemingly returned to the board, Benitez believes now is the best time to ask for cash.

The Spaniard wants to land David Villa, David Silva and Gareth Barry. However, asking for such a considerable sum has sparked fears that Benitez is heading for another run-in with the Americans.

Benitez came close to losing his job last year when he spoke out against the transfer restrictions imposed by Hicks and Gillett.

He has already signed Philipp Degen on a free and £7m right-back Andrea Dossena, but is convinced another £50m is needed.

Barry will cost £15m, with a deal for the Aston Villa midfielder expected to be completed within weeks, while Valencia are asking £20m for Villa.

The Spain international has shone at Euro 2008 and Liverpool will face stiff competition for his signature from the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Real Madrid.

Villa's compatriot, Silva, will also cost in the region of £20m.

To help raise funds, Benitez has already sold John Arne Riise to Roma for £4m, while Xabi Alonso has been linked with a £14m move to Juventus.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #908 on: November 10, 2011, 05:17:32 am »
I don't know about Villa, but Silva was definetly on. Wish we had FSG during the 08-09 2nd place finish. WE could have pushed on.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #909 on: November 10, 2011, 05:58:40 am »
bottom line is that if we went to FSG instead of the epic swindlers, we'd be probably a league or 2 more and still ahead of the manc.

but we decided to go out west and board the cowboy express.

Now we have Kenny and he's getting his men in, but we still haven't learnt, as we see many shooting andy, hendo and adam down all the time.

Yes we get angry, me the first, after abject sperformances, but at the end we should never forget what happened under rafa with pennies, under Hodgson (jesus I still shudder) and now kenny and the slow rebuilding process.
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #910 on: November 10, 2011, 06:26:16 am »
I will say this about Rafa's transfers - over the last 20 years or so, we have never seen so many top class players playing for us as we did under Rafa, and that is despite the financial restrictions at the club.

Reina, Alonso, Mascherano and Torres were all bought and turned into world class players, whilst Carragher and Gerrard were moulded into players who at some point over the last few years could be seen as world class (Carra in 04-07 period was immense) players.

Ask yourself who the genuine top class players are that we have had at the club in the last 20 years or so, and the majority of them were brought here or moulded by Rafa.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #911 on: November 10, 2011, 07:52:01 am »
bottom line is that if we went to FSG instead of the epic swindlers, we'd be probably a league or 2 more and still ahead of the manc.

but we decided to go out west and board the cowboy express.

Now we have Kenny and he's getting his men in, but we still haven't learnt, as we see many shooting andy, hendo and adam down all the time.

Yes we get angry, me the first, after abject sperformances, but at the end we should never forget what happened under rafa with pennies, under Hodgson (jesus I still shudder) and now kenny and the slow rebuilding process.

There is a difference. Those who hounded Benitez out of the club had no excuse because he proved for 5 years that he had the skill and the nous to bring us the cups and eventually the Premiership. Every one of his signings could be understood as to its logic, and when msitakes were made, they were rectified ruthlessly and immediately by Benitez. You knew that this was a manager who had the right stuff. There was continuous improvement till the final season, and even though 6th was a disappointment, sacking him for that was ridiculous and it was nothing short of a coup by the deserved;ly-maligned Purslow.

Dalglish by comparison has not done anything for more than 10 years as a manager. Meanwhile the game has moved on and gotten mroe and mro intense and difficult. He has to show that he has that all-important nous and he has the plan and he is in control. So far the transfer signings and the tactics have not shown it and as he has ripped out the guts of the old team and tried to instal his team, the engine is misfiring and the players whom he has showered so much money have not shown that they have what it takes.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #912 on: November 10, 2011, 08:27:33 am »
At this time when we are questioning the heart of the players in our midfield and looking back on Rafa's signings it all looks quite bad. That's mainly because very few teams in the world could boast a midfield of Alonso, Masch & to a lesser extent Sissoko (who i loved) Very hard working and we made songs to sing of the genius in that team. That being said, the lesson to learn from Benitez is that it is fundamental to have board support of the Manager and his policy. Our owners have done that even more than I could have imagined and it makes me so happy that we have a manager with a vision who can now implement that vision with the financial support of the owners.
With the financial support of the owners you can continuously upgrade your team and improve your squad. I may not agree with everything that happened in the summer but I wholeheartedly support the business that we did if it means that Kenny has the players he wanted.

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #913 on: November 10, 2011, 08:33:27 am »
There is a difference. Those who hounded Benitez out of the club had no excuse because he proved for 5 years that he had the skill and the nous to bring us the cups and eventually the Premiership. Every one of his signings could be understood as to its logic, and when msitakes were made, they were rectified ruthlessly and immediately by Benitez. You knew that this was a manager who had the right stuff. There was continuous improvement till the final season, and even though 6th was a disappointment, sacking him for that was ridiculous and it was nothing short of a coup by the deserved;ly-maligned Purslow.


Except for the speeling error, I think this is a very good point about his transfer mistakes.

Dossena, Keane, Morientes, Kromkramp, that Spanish RB are some players I can think of immediately. Couldn't make it, they got sold pretty fast. Even one of my favorite, Alonso, was on the chopping board when he wasn't playing that well.

People keep harping on him keeping the deadwood during his last 2 years or so but the question they should ask is, what happens if he sells them, the money would have just gone to cover the debt... I remember the Babel to Birmingham for 11mil story but I think Rafa didn't want to sell because there's no guarantee of him re-using the funds for a new player...

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« Reply #914 on: November 10, 2011, 09:22:33 am »
I loved rafa. That is all.
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« Reply #915 on: November 10, 2011, 10:00:50 am »
Ignoring the fact that we signed up to an additional €15m debt with Roma (owing on JAR), and a further £10m with Portsmouth (owing on Crouch).

I'll give you that as far as Johnson is concerned. I think Rafa wanted him and it came in quite handy that Pompey still owed us money. Those 10m could have been spent on some other rightback,  but I think Rafa really wanted Glen Johnson.

As for Aquilani you're right with one thing. We did sign up to an additional debt with Roma, but the whole deal was constructed in a way that G&H would have to pay a minimal amount. And that is why I believe Rafa had no other option than get Aquilani. It was basically take it or leave it for him in my view, as G&H were more concerned about financing the debt they had brought to the club. We paid 5m upfront at a time when we had gotten 30m for Xabi Alonso. So, to me that's saying we were only able to buy a player who was available at a knock-down price. Forget about the 20m in total, because G&H never had the intention of paying that "themselves" (i.e. with money that was already at the club). They wanted to pay that using player-sales and I fully believe that they did it. Just look at the January-window that year. We sold Mihaylov, Dossena and Voronin for 6 or 7 million. Yet, we only got Maxi Rodriguez on a free transfer. To me that smells like Babel, Dossena and Voronin being used to pay for Aquilani.

Yes, our net-spend in the summer of 2009 was zero on paper, but I fully believe that Rafa only saw a fraction of the money for Alonso and no matter what it might look like on paper, we spent significantly less than 37m on new players due to the structure of the deals...
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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #916 on: November 10, 2011, 10:02:09 am »
I'll give you that as far as Johnson is concerned. I think Rafa wanted him and it came in quite handy that Pompey still owed us money. Those 10m could have been spent on some other rightback,  but I think Rafa really wanted Glen Johnson.

As for Aquilani you're right with one thing. We did sign up to an additional debt with Roma, but the whole deal was constructed in a way that G&H would have to pay a minimal amount. And that is why I believe Rafa had no other option than get Aquilani. It was basically take it or leave it for him in my view, as G&H were more concerned about financing the debt they had brought to the club. We paid 5m upfront at a time when we had gotten 30m for Xabi Alonso. So, to me that's saying we were only able to buy a player who was available at a knock-down price. Forget about the 20m in total, because G&H never had the intention of paying that "themselves" (i.e. with money that was already at the club). They wanted to pay that using player-sales and I fully believe that they did it. Just look at the January-window that year. We sold Babel, Dossena and Voronin for 6 or 7 million. Yet, we only got Maxi Rodriguez on a free transfer. To me that smells like Babel, Dossena and Voronin being used to pay for Aquilani.

Yes, our net-spend in the summer of 2009 was zero on paper, but I fully believe that Rafa only saw a fraction of the money for Alonso and no matter what it might look like on paper, we spent significantly less than 37m on new players due to the structure of the deals...

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Re: Players signed by Rafael Benitez
« Reply #917 on: November 10, 2011, 10:06:01 am »
Just look at the January-window that year. We sold Babel, Dossena and Voronin for 6 or 7 million. Yet, we only got Maxi Rodriguez on a free transfer. To me that smells like Babel, Dossena and Voronin being used to pay for Aquilani.

Not to take away from your point, but I think Babel was sold this year (Jan 2011).  Remember the whole Suarez transfer saga?

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« Reply #918 on: November 10, 2011, 10:23:29 am »
Not to take away from your point, but I think Babel was sold this year (Jan 2011).  Remember the whole Suarez transfer saga?

Thanks. It wasn't Babel it was Mihaylov. I don't know why, but I always think we sold Babel in January 2010... ;)

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« Reply #919 on: November 10, 2011, 11:09:07 am »
Thanks. It wasn't Babel it was Mihaylov. I don't know why, but I always think we sold Babel in January 2010... ;)

the Babel we bought left on a free after the 07-08 season.  What a player he could have been if he kept up that form from his first season.