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Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, them and us.
« on: November 26, 2004, 11:36:38 pm »
After a succession of quality teams at Anfield this week we have to make do with boring old Arsenal.  Famous throughout the world as the exponents of the 'bore draw' the long ball specialists bring their uncultured brand of kick and hope football to Liverpool in desperate need of some points following their laboured draw with West Brom last week.  Truly these are dire times for Gunners fans and so we are especially lucky that some of these poor unfortunates took themselves away from their strict regimen of teeth gnashing and hair rending to give us their thoughts on the eve of battle.  This week we  would like to thank Darren from Arsenal-land.co.uk, Alastair and Exiled in Newcastle from Arsenal-Mania.com and Bruce from Gunnershigh.com based in New Zealand.

RAWK: How is the season shaping up for the Gunners?

Darren: Pretty nicely overall. We've built on last season's unbeaten season and broken Forest's record. We're in all 4 competitions still and our youths have beaten Everton and Man City full teams and having just had the annual dodgy November we're in good shape in the league. So excellent overall.

Exiled in Newcastle: Rather good start, but into a bit of a lull now. Thing is after the ‘49’ it was bound to happen, but we’re the same team and we’re probably only a deflected winner away from another run.

Alastair: Losing the unbeaten record has clearly affected the players but our down turn in form really first reared its head when we drew 1-1 with Rosenburg. However things are not going as bad as some have made out, we have only lost one game in 52 league matches and being two points adrift in November is hardly a crisis. The home game with Chelsea on December 12th will be vital though, so we must have our form back by then.

Bruce: The season started off well, keeping on going from where it left off last season. Expecting a lot but fearful of what might happen when that 'defeat' to end the long run would finally come. It came in the 10th game of the season against rival Manchester United and since then Arsenal has only be able to put one win together in the four games since then. From being in a 'bullish' mood, things are starting to look a bit 'bearish'. However, if Arsenal can string a few win together then it can change so quickly.

RAWK: What are your expectations for this season? Have they changed from day one?

Darren: My expectations are the same. I expect us to be champions and win back to back titles with the side we have. With Reyes, Van Persie and Fabregas we're a better squad without doubt. I also hope we can do better in Europe and perhaps reach the semi's or better.

Exiled in Newcastle: Big. No. You can’t help thinking big after an unbeaten season. Some say it’s cocky, but it’s well founded confidence really. How could we not be confident? You’ve seen what this team can do, and that’s absolutely
anyone, anywhere (except the mancs at ot when Homer Riley’s in town).

Alastair: We still feel we can retain our title and we know if we play to the best of our abilities we should do so. Europe however is still a sticky point and whereas in August a lot of us felt this may be our year, our starting form suggests we probably will not in fact win it.

Bruce: Continuing on from the question above. Things have changed a bit from day one. Chelsea is looking stronger both domestically and in Europe. They are looking like the team to beat. Arsenal has struggled in Europe. I think the next couple of games will dictate whether the mood has changed. Two games in UEFA Champions League against PSV Enidhoven and Rosenburg, will see whether Arsenal will be a contender in the second phase of the Champions League. Arsenal also have to get two good wins under their belts against Liverpool and Birmingham City to give the fans faith that they still have the good to take out the Premiership.


RAWK: Who do you think is your most important player(s)?

Darren: Robert Pires, Ash Cole and Thierry Henry.

Exiled in Newcastle: Henry is obvious. So are a few others. But I think it’s how the ‘fringe’ players perform when they get in that’s going to define our season. If
you’ve seen us in the League Cup for the last couple of years you’ll know about our youths and a lot of them could feature this season.

Alastair: For all the hype our offensive players get the loss of Sol Campbell has clearly affected our performances. That said, if Thierry Henry has a fantastic game you can take it to the bank we will win!

Bruce: Thierry Henry is the most important player in my eyes.


RAWK: Your worst player(s)?

Darren: Pascal and Cygan

Exiled in Newcastle: Kanu. Looked good for a while but since then has done bugger all (apart from 45 minutes at your place…ahem) since except ‘steal’ his wages from us and get a passport. He’s gone? Well how was I to notice?

Alastair: Pascal Cygan, watch him for five minutes and it will be obvious why!

RAWK: What do you expect in the way of atmosphere, singing, pies etc from your trip to Anfield?  How does it compare to rival grounds?

Darren: It compares quite well in the main. Definately better than Villa which makes Highbury look like a rock concert. I avoid Pies, more room for beer...

Exiled in Newcastle: I like going there personally. I’ve been going to The Arsenal for long enough to easily remember the Kop as a terrace and it has generally been an enjoyable place to visit. There have been some fools, but there have been far more laughs. One of the few ‘myths’ of football that’s actually
true is about the Kops humour. And I have to praise your stewards. Most
grounds getting through the turnstiles at the away end can be
uncomfortable, but yours always make it easy and fun.

Alastair: This will be my first time at Anfield this Sunday and I cannot wait! I am expecting a great day out and some good but friendly banter from the Liverpool fans and I am sure I will not be disappointed!

RAWK: Any young up and coming players in the squad that we might not know about?

Darren: Well not sure if they'd be involved but Gael Clichy is a Cole clone aged 19 and Fabregas who's 17 but I guess you guys have seen those 2. I could name the side that beat Everton in the Carling cup and they are are pretty handy to be honest.

Exiled in Newcastle: Well I’ve already talked about the league cup squad, and you could mention any of them. We’ve probably got a full team (and subs!) of
teenagers who are good enough to play in the premiership right now.
Obviously being good enough at that age doesn’t ensure success, but if a
quarter of them make it at Highbury then that’s virtually half a team in
place that have come through the ranks.

Alastair: Where do I start?! To be fair players like Van Persie and Fabregas have had quite a lot of press attention, so I am going to go for Matthieu Flamini. We contraversely poach....er bought him from Marseille in the summer and what we have seen of him he could be the next Manu Petit for Vieria. With injuries to Edu and Gilberto there is a good chance he will feature on Sunday too.

RAWK: Do you have a particular memory of any previous meeting between us (lets not mention Michael Thomas please)

Darren: It's up for grabs nooooowwww, Thomas! Right at the end!

Exiled in Newcastle: Actually the night Mickey ‘did it’ was the only league match I didn’t go to that year, but that’s a whole other story. Actually, I think that
everything that happened that season somehow improved the relationship
between our clubs fans, which was getting rather taught. Anyway, he did
win you the FA Cup…

Alastair: Ignoring the above mentioned one, it is so hard to pick one out as games with Liverpool have been crucial over the last few years. The 2001 Cup final was a heartbreaker for us of course, but our win at Anfield in December 2001 was probably the launch pad for our double that year. Likewise the cracks in our defence of said double started to appear when Heskey got a last minute equaliser in February 2003, but then you have Pires' wonder goal last year! There is rarely a dull moment!

Bruce: Yes, lets mention Micheal Thomas. One of the best moment ever!

RAWK: We know of Arsene Wenger's acheivements, what is his biggest weakness? (if any!)

Darren: He was a rubbish player if that makes you feel better, but seriousally I'd say buying defenders is not his strong point.

Exiled in Newcastle: Wouldn’t back him in an arm wrestle contest… Actually, considering he’s known as Mr I Didn’t See It I think sometimes his honesty costs. For a start he’ll answer anything at his press conferences. The famous
‘unbeaten season’ quote that he was hammered for was a result of it. He
was asked if he thought the team could go the season unbeaten when we
were on a (league) run in the high 20’s. He said of course I believe my
team can go unbeaten because I believe my team can beat anyone so I
never believe they’re going to be beaten. Or something like that. Next
day the press is ‘Wenger says “We WILL go the season unbeaten”’. And his
honesty means he has no favourites in the press that get titbits from
him, so he’s the only manager around who doesn’t have some paper willing
to plant stories for him.

Alastair: How topical, this seems to be consuming Arsenal fans at the moment! Personally I think he could be more flexible in his tactics, Arsenal seem to have an excellent Plan A, but when this is not working we cannot scrap a winner. He also seems to have a fear of substitutions at times and Fabregas apart, seems very adverse to playing youngsters unless he absolutely has to at times.

Bruce: Alex Ferguson!


RAWK: What sort of line-up will Arsene put out against us?

Darren: Lehmann
Lauren Campbell Toure Cole
Ljungberg Vieira Fabregas Pires
Reyes Henry

Exiled in Newcastle: I think it depends a lot on Wednseday. There’s a few players that I think will play one of the two. Edu/Cesc…Bergkamp/van
Persie…Reyes/Henry… Campbell/Cygan. Apart from that I think you could
probably name the rest.

Alastair: The strongest one we have available most likely! Hopefully Campbell will be back and we will start with Reyes up front, playing him on the left really is not working as well as it might.

Bruce: Arsenal as Premiership Champions. Liverpool, who cares, as long as it is behind Arsenal!!

RAWK: Do you have a favourite/best chant(s) and perhaps any that require an explanation?

Darren:

Fabregas, ow o ow.
Fabregas, ow o ow.
He's only 17, but better than Roy Keane

Exiled in Newcastle: I’ve got to say the chant I’ve enjoyed the most ever is ‘Champions’. You can’t beat it, every time feels as good as the first. But for sheer
smugness, which is the feeling all of us want to have when we’re
watching our team if we’re honest, ‘We are unbeatable’ was pretty damn
good whilst it lasted. As for an explanation, I wish someone would
explain to me why we started singing ‘Over and over and over again’!

Alastair: "Carefree! Where ever you may be! Chelsea aint got no history! Lampard's fat, the rest are queer, they aint won the league in 49 years!"


RAWK: Where do you expect Arsenal and Liverpool to finish in the Premier League?

Darren:
Arsenal
Chelsea
Man Utd
Liverpool

Exiled in Newcastle: Well obviously we’re going to win it. Actually I’ve honestly believed it every year since before Terry Neill took over, but this year seems more
attainable. The Chelsea down the Kings Road will not last a title race if
they’re still in it then. Team spirit does that. The mancs have got that
but nothing much else. Last kicks of a dying mule. So Chelsea second, then
it’s up for grabs. Anything from 3rd to 6th in all honesty.

Alastair: Arsenal will finish in the top 2, if we can shore our defence up we will win it, if we remain inconsistant then Chelsea will beat us. Liverpool should finish in the top 4 but they will have to sort their away form out to make sure.

RAWK: Which Liverpool player will you fear the most?

Darren: Can I get back to you on that?

Exiled in Newcastle: None. I’m not being rude but I’m one of those fans that doesn’t pay much attention to the opposition. To coin a phrase the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Which, unfortunately, we rather seem to recently.

Alastair: With us having to play one of Cesc or Flamini alongside Vieira I think Alonso could have a great game. The guy has obvious quality and him and Gerrard could become the best central midfield partnership in England.

Bruce: Micheal Owen, opps!!! no longer

RAWK: And your feelings on the new 'Spanish flavour' Liverpool. Rafa Benitez himself and our new recruits?

Exiled in Newcastle:
Er, well I’m half Spanish so I’m all for it! I think Benitez is a good
manager, and he’s lucky that he’s at a club that tend to give their
managers fair backing so I think over time he’ll do well. As for the
players, well you’ve not done bad in what you’ve brought over. Not in
the class of Reyes and Cesc naturally, and I’ll bet none of them can
keep goal as well as Almunia, but good players none the less. And from a
Spanish point of view I think it’s good having players playing in
England. It’ll give the squad a much needed different edge. I mean Reyes
has already found that it’s much more painful being the most fouled
player in England than Spain.

Alastair: Too early to say really. You have not set the world alight but at the same time there have been glimpses of potential. Garcia looks like he could be a very good player when on top form and Alonso I have already mentioned. Benitez will probably become more apparent once his English digresses from Beatles Records!

Darren: Benitez is a top manager and I think he's got Liverpool moving in a better direction and he's done so with the loss of Owen so that says a lot really. Alonso is a good player and Garcia seems handy so all positive I'd say.

RAWK: Care to predict the score?  Go on!

Darren: 2-0 to the Arsenal

Exiled in Newcastle: If I type this hear for you does that make it happen? Please? We’ll win. I think there’ll be goals and we’ll get four out of six. We don’t seem
to like 1-0’s anymore!

Alastair: 1-1, Riise and Ljungberg to score

Bruce: I am hoping for a 2-1 win to Arsenal, as has happened in two of the last three seasons, but I think it will probably be a 1-1 draw.

Thanks to all for their comments.

© Armin 2004
« Last Edit: December 8, 2004, 10:05:42 am by Rushian »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, Them and Us preview
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 03:54:49 am »
Quote
To coin a phrase the only thing we have to
fear is fear itself

Right. I'm sure he stole that off JFK.  ::)

Great read again Armin  :wave
« Last Edit: November 27, 2004, 04:19:33 am by redsofmerseyside »
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, Them and Us preview
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 08:33:49 am »
Good read. Like the title   ::)  ::)

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, Them and Us preview
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 10:00:10 am »
Top work Matt. Shame the Henchoz bits got edited! Good to know that still hurts ...

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, Them and Us preview
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2004, 10:23:03 am »
To coin a phrase the only thing we have to
fear is fear itself


Quote was by Franklin Delano Roosevelt, I believe, who was the wheelchair-bound US President.

As seen in the Denis Leary sketch "Nothing to fear but fear itself. And stairs..."

Anyway, well put together Matt...

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, Them and Us preview
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2004, 10:26:34 am »
Good read. Like the title ::) ::)

Is it getting a bit longwinded?  Was a bit hammered when I did this last night so half expected to see the wrong answers to the questions this morning!
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2004, 10:31:35 am »
Top work Matt. Shame the Henchoz bits got edited! Good to know that still hurts ...

Nah the Henchoz comments were in the questions which Arsenalmania submitted to us and Paul answered.  Still the important thing is that it still bugs'em :D
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2004, 03:27:08 pm »
Nah the Henchoz comments were in the questions which Arsenalmania submitted to us and Paul answered.  Still the important thing is that it still bugs'em :D


My answers for the Gooner site:



Do you think Gerrard will stay beyond this season? Arsenal fans have had
to put up with the repeated possibility of Vieira leaving for Real
Madrid - a depressing chain of speculation which Liverpool had to face
this summer with Gerrard being linked to Chelsea. Now that 'loyalty' in
football has become a dirty word do you think you can really keep hold
of him if success for the team remains elusive?




I'm not sure how he could leave now - if he was going to do it, it would have been this summer. I'm sure he is too worried about his credibility in Liverpool to leave the club he loves. He only signed a new long-term deal this time last year, so he needs to at least see out the majority of that.

Unless Liverpool actively look to sell him - perhaps if the club fails to qualify for the Champions League and needs to cash in (but I doubt it) - then I can't see him leaving. However, like Owen before him, I won't expect him to sign another contract - and therefore leave himself in a good position to leave if there's no improvement at Anfield in two or three years. If we improve, he may stay beyond that.

Gerrard's not stupid - he knew Benitez wouldn't turn things around overnight. But he can't have failed to have been impressed with some of the football we've played this season, and I firmly believe he will form the best midfield partnership in the world with Xabi Alonso (a player many in Spain felt Real Madrid should have continued to pursue, ahead of Vieira).



What do Liverpool fans - who had such great sides to watch in the 70s
and 80s - think of the current Arsenal team? Can we ever win the
Champions League and really seal our place in history? What changes
might we make to help us?




I can't speak for all Liverpool fans, but personally I am a big admirer of Wenger's side - I'm sure plenty of other Reds admire your lot, too. (Unlike the Graham-era Gunners, who were hard to love, especially as we were such close rivals).

I think Arsenal's problems in Europe are mostly psychological. I think they were clearly the best team in Europe last season, but they didn't go on and prove it once it got to the knock-out stages. Each year it will get harder, as it becomes a millstone - everyone talks about it. I did have sympathy for your club, given that the Chelsea games coincided with other tough games against United. But all clubs have to navigate through those mad fixture jams if they're to succeed.

I also felt that Arsenal were under massive pressure to not let the historic season they were having go to waste - that they were a victim, in terms of pressure, of their own success; whereas, ludicrously, Chelsea were allowed to play the "underdog" card and treat the event like they were a non-league side merely there for the day out. It reminded me of our situation in 1988, when everyone felt we "deserved" the double as testimony to our amazing football, and Wimbledon (a top six side, which people forget) were allowed to approach that FA Cup Final as if they were a Sunday League side - and when there's that much of a gulf in the pressure on the two sides, it can have dramatic results. Underdogs always have the benefit of less pressure.

Teams can get lucky and win the European Cup once; the sign of Liverpool's undoubted greatness was reaching five European Cup finals in nine seasons, and winning four of them.



When will Liverpool become real contenders for the league again?


Next season, hopefully. There have been signs that Benitez has improved many aspects of our play, but he is still working mostly with Gerard Houllier's signings - not that they were all bad, but every manager has his own ideas on players he'd want. Benitez has got massive improvements out of players like Djimi Traore and Igor Biscan, but the squad is still very thin in certain areas. Also, Benitez planned to have Owen, Cisse and Baros as his three main strikers this season - Owen left (with no time to find a replacement), Cisse is out for the season, and Baros' hamstring has gone twang just as he moved into double figures for the season.

As much as I think there is depth to Arsenal's squad, I don't think they'd challenge if they sold Henry, lost Reyes for the season and Bergkamp was out for an extended period - while missing Patrick Vieira for a couple of months with a broken foot (as we did Gerrard). Your youth team graduates can play with freedom in the League Cup (as ours are), but coping with Premiership pressure is another matter.

We've also got long-term injuries to key squad players, and have a lot of players out on year-long loans - it would be nice to be able to call the promising Le Tallec back.

Much will depend on who Benitez can bring in over this winter, and next summer - so far he seems a shrewd judge of a player. Luis Garcia has three league goals (and two further ones wrong disallowed), and Xabi Alonso is the best passer we've seen since Jan Molby - and further signings of that quality (and value for money) will be a great help. Nunez, from Real Madrid, is nearing fitness (at long last).



Since Liverpools dominance of English football was broken by Arsenal
(and then usurped by the Mancs) in the late 80's early 90's they haven't
once challenged for the title. Do you think the new manager will change
that, and do you think the Mancs are on the verge of a decade in the
wilderness?



What do you define as challenging for the title? We've not won the title, but on a couple of occasions we've been up at the top in the final weeks of the season, only to tail away (2002, when we finished seven points behind Arsenal, and 1997, when a loss to Wimbledon in early May ended our chances). So that's "challenging".

I'd like to see the Mancs in the wilderness, but a lot will depend on whatever new manager they get in, when the time comes. They have the financial might to buy their way out of trouble (like Chelsea), and have already paid over £28m for a player on three separate occasions. (Our record buy remains just £14m).

Personally speaking, if not ourselves I'd rather see Arsenal dominating than United (for obvious reasons) or Chelsea (for the sour taste the bankrolling leaves in the mouth, and Mourinho's arrogance). Arsenal's youth team policy is clearly very special, with gems like Fabregas emerging, and that will help keep you at the top for a few years (as will retaining Wenger).

However, I think there will be four sides competing in the coming seasons - once Benitez sorts us out. He proved at Valencia that he could work on a smaller budget than the 'big boys' and overtake Real and Barca with his skillful and hard-working Valencia side. They hadn't won the title for 31 years when he arrived; in his three years there, they won it twice, and the UEFA Cup. We'll be the outsiders of the four teams next season, but I feel we can at least mount a serious challenge.




Why did you buy Kirkland when you already had Henchoz (ie, did you get
lucky in the 2001 FA Cup Final)?



How very droll! Actually, I felt we totally deserved to win that day - inasmuch as we had the striker who didn't freeze on the day; Owen scored from his chances, while Henry fluffed his. There is no better all-round striker in the country (possibly the world) than Thierry Henry, but whenever I've seen him in the biggest possible games, he's never looked anywhere near as assured as he does week-in, week-out. I'd always take Owen over Henry to score in the biggest games, although over the course of a season Henry will do a lot more.

Arsenal were the better team on the day in 2001, but if you don't take your chances you can't expect to win games. As for the Henchoz incident, indeed it was a cracking save. But your boys still took the lead later in the game, and couldn't hold onto it, so you only have yourselves to blame. I've never known a season like this one for major decisions going against Liverpool, so maybe we're paying for that day in terms of karma!




With Arsenal moving to a new stadium and increasing its capacity, do you
think Liverpool will move to a shared stadium with Everton as has been
muted in some quarters? Would you be opposed to such a move?




Well, planning permission has been granted for our move a few hundred yards to Stanley Park (legal appeals pending) to a 60,000-seater Anfield, so we are in the same situation as Arsenal (although not moving far from our heritage). In fact, Liverpool will have to follow the Arsenal blueprint - both clubs have similar budgets to work with, so we need to get the best value for our money in the transfer market, and develop our own players/pick up cheap overseas kids.

Everton's many off-the-field problems are their own, and they are welcome to keep them.



Who's departure do you regret more, Fowler or Owen?


Owen's, without a doubt, as he left while still young and with plenty to offer. We also didn't get much money for him, but £8m more than we would have a year later. By contrast, £13m for Fowler now looks great business. But both were legends.

Owen scored goals on the counter-attack, but I always felt he'd do even better in a passing side - as looks the case at Real Madrid. As Liverpool became more predictable under Houllier, it meant Owen was too; while we tried to play to his strengths, it was obvious what our tactics were - get it to Owen over the top - and therefore made it harder for him. I believe he would have found his best form again under Benitez, although the one upshot of it all is that it has allowed Milan Baros to step out of his shadow. And Baros is pretty special, too.

Fowler's departure was the most shocking, as he seemed set to stay at Liverpool for life; whereas Owen would always follow his ambition to experience football abroad at some stage. Most Liverpool fans (myself included) loved Fowler more, for a myriad of reasons, but I'd have Owen back in a shot, whereas Fowler's best days are almost certainly behind him. Both left after over 150 goals, and left a lot of good memories.

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, them and us.
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2004, 09:31:10 pm »
Is it getting a bit longwinded? Was a bit hammered when I did this last night so half expected to see the wrong answers to the questions this morning!

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php/topic,42511.msg650400.html#msg650400
No Matt . I was just being.... well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,funny ::)

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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, them and us.
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2004, 09:37:50 am »
Just saw this, written by one Jason Hogan on Saturday 27 Nov (a day before the game) on www.arsenal-world.co.uk, titled "The Way I see it- Liverpool v Arsenal

There are certainly parallels that can be drawn between the two clubs of late. The Reds, severely depleted by injuries upfront, were robbed of a result in Monaco when Javier Saviola clearly handled the ball before putting it into the back of the net for Monaco’s winning goal on Tuesday night.

As a result, Liverpool are in a similar position to us in that they have to win their final home game against Olympiakos in order to guarantee themselves a place in the last 16 of the Champions League. All I will say is that the atmosphere at Anfield will be every bit as hot for the Greeks as it was for Liverpool when they went to Athens that’s for sure.

To be fair them, I think that Liverpool’s season, recent injuries notwithstanding, has gone almost as I expected so far in that it has been very much up and down. For example, I think that they actually pulled off the best result gained by any of the British teams so far in Europe when they beat Deportivo in The Riazor a few weeks ago yet not long after that they went and got beat at home by Birmingham.

Without a shadow of doubt the nature of their results is down to the fact that they, unlike ManUre for example, are in a GENUINE state of transition. Many people have put ManUre’s indifferent start to the Premiership down to transition. Well, since January they have spent £60 million. Half of it went on a young bulky jug-eared Scouser who is widely considered, to put it mildly, to be the most amazing thing this country has seen since the wheel was invented and another £20 million went on bringing in established Premiership players like Alan Smith and Luis Saha.

At Liverpool, they have of course brought in a new foreign coach, Rafa Benitez, a man that has never plied his trade in English football’s top flight and he in turn has brought in a clutch of foreign players (that have never plied their trade in the Premiership either) into the first team set up. Now THAT is what I call transition.

Benitez is an interesting guy. A lot has been made over here of the success he had at Valencia despite the fact that he didn’t have a lot of money to spend but as usual the media have been a little economical with the truth about that.

You see, the fact that he didn’t have an awful lot of money actually helped him when he took over from Hector Cuper at the Mestalla in 2001.

Cuper, of course, had led Valencia to two straight European Cup Finals (2000 and 2001) and when Benitez took over the reins, the nucleus of the squad that helped him go on to win two La Liga titles and a UEFA cup (the likes of Ayala, Carboni, Canizares, Vicente, Baraja, Albelda, Marchenna, Rufete, Angulo and Aimar) was already there.

Having said that, I believe that Benitez will turn Liverpool into a side that EVERYBODY in the Premiership will have to watch out for Liverpool over the next 18 months. He has got something about him has Benitez and, in terms of being a success over here, I wouldn’t put anything past him.

Since that oh so famous night in May 1989, this particular away fixture has without a doubt has become more special to me than any other simply because that night we not only beat a team that I respected we also won the title at the expense of a club that I respect.

And there is no doubt that the victories we have got over Liverpool in more recent times both at Highbury and particularly at Anfield since then have often proved to be pivotal where our season has been concerned.

The one thing that worries me, despite all the injuries they have and all the injuries we may have going into the game is that although Liverpool have had their ups and downs this season they will nonetheless feel, quite rightly, that they are definitely due a result particularly at the expense of one of the big boys.

But then if you care to think about, I think that you could easily say the same about us as well.
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Re: Spyin' Kop: Arsenal, them and us.
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2004, 08:12:15 pm »
A very generous (and fair) assessment from a Gooner.   :)