Topic: 2018 Formula 1 Thread

[TepidT2O]

BBC have grabbed the rights to Formula E this season I see.

Soooooo dull

[gazzalfc]

Soooooo dull

BBC taking any sport right now can only be a good thing

Plus Massa will be driving for them. Add to that the cars don't need swapping. Could be fun

[west_london_red]

Soooooo dull

A lot of it’s to do with coverage and production and the BBC will probably do a better job then ITV4 so it might become a bit more watchable - but at the same time it’s still going to be drivers who failed to make it into F1, couldn’t stay in F1 or retired from F1.

[KOTP]

is it gonna be shown on mainline tv though or via red button if its via the red button they might as well not really bother as only gonna get the hardcore watching where as if its on mainline might get a bigger audience

[CraigDS]

Alonso to drive for Mclaren at Indy 500. A little scarce on details and not a major surprise I guess.

[Paul_h]

Rumours are that Robert Kubica will sign for williams next week..

Mind you, same rumours surfaced last year too..

[Tesco tearaway]

Rumours are that Robert Kubica will sign for williams next week..

Mind you, same rumours surfaced last year too..

He's 33 and has a dodgy arm.
Surely there are better drivers to bring in/keep?

[Paul_h]

He's 33 and has a dodgy arm.
Surely there are better drivers to bring in/keep?

has to bring in sponsorship money too…such is the state of williams

[Tesco tearaway]

has to bring in sponsorship money too…such is the state of williams

That's a shame 
Is he even guaranteed to be able to finish a race?
Lewis has been absolutely shattered during a couple of his post race interviews.

[gazzalfc]

Horrible crash in F3 in Macau.

Sophia Florschool flew over the crash barrier and into some hording. She is conscious and heading to hospital now for assessment. Initial diagnosis is stated as a spinal fracture

[Barneylfc∗]

Horrible crash in F3 in Macau.

Sophia Florschool flew over the crash barrier and into some hording. She is conscious and heading to hospital now for assessment. Initial diagnosis is stated as a spinal fracture

Crazy footage. Looks like a TV tower or something she crashes in to. If that's not there, I think we'd be discussing a fatality.

[Graeme]

Just seen the footage, that’s a horrendous accident.

[RedBlakey]

Holy sh*t ! Just seen the incident.  That must be some sort of brake failure the speed she was going.  One lucky girl to only suffer a spinal fracture after that impact. Shocking.

[TepidT2O]

I cannot believe anyone survived that...

It’s horrific.  The speed was very high at impact, astonished that she is conscious.

It a slow corner, what on earth happened?

[Graeme]

Preceded by a fast straight though. Car needs to be 4 wheels planted to brake effectively. I’m not sure what led to it flying backwards through the air, none of the clips I’ve seen show that part.

[Umbarto]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/V88l7Eb3vfI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/V88l7Eb3vfI</a>

I assume it's ok to provide footage at the very least for analysis, considering there were no fatalities.  A savage hit, and just off the heels of that horrible Robert Wickins' crash at Pocono in October, and his back was broken as well.  Given the state of that course and how fast she was going into that turn, it seems that her getting airborne and into what looks like a camera booth saved quite a few lives.  The flagman's hole in the catch fence directly in the overrun path of a hard braking racing line is a nice touch, and that wall looks pitiful... had she been lower or missed that booth...   

[kcbworth]

I read somewhere she got clipped and spun and somehow all her momentum took her backwards at that pace until she collided with the turning car and getting airborn. Hard to tell that she is going backwards the whole time, and at that pace. Wow

[Sammy5IsAlive]

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/V88l7Eb3vfI" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/V88l7Eb3vfI</a>

I assume it's ok to provide footage at the very least for analysis, considering there were no fatalities.  A savage hit, and just off the heels of that horrible Robert Wickins' crash at Pocono in October, and his back was broken as well.  Given the state of that course and how fast she was going into that turn, it seems that her getting airborne and into what looks like a camera booth saved quite a few lives.  The flagman's hole in the catch fence directly in the overrun path of a hard braking racing line is a nice touch, and that wall looks pitiful... had she been lower or missed that booth...   

To be fair it looks to me that there wasn't a gap in the catch fence but she just went through it. On the first clip you can see the fencing on either side of the impact fall down a moment after she went through.

Its a miracle no-one was killed - as far as I can see there was pretty much one small survivable gap between the lampost/pylon to the right (which would have definitely been fatal to her) and the camera stand/observation post on the left (that would probably have been fatal to her and trackside personnel). It looks to me like she went through that gap and just nicked the camera stand before going into whatever those blue facings were behind the wall.



 

[Umbarto]

To be fair it looks to me that there wasn't a gap in the catch fence but she just went through it.

Yeah she definitely went through the fence, there's just about a four foot gap to the left of where she hit, you can see a bit clearer when viewed at fullscreen but unfortunately have to watch it on youtube for the fullscreen button it seems.

Definitely wish all those involved nothing but the best, horrible moment.

[kcbworth]

8 seconds into this vid seems to be what triggered her loss of control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yp8MGD-2y4

Seemingly innocuous

[Barneylfc∗]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/I_lost_my_legs_but_not_my_daredevil_spirit

Looking forward to the movie. The fact he is back behind a wheel, never mind getting poles and podiums is sensational. Totally in awe of this kid.

[Nobby Reserve]

8 seconds into this vid seems to be what triggered her loss of control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yp8MGD-2y4

Seemingly innocuous

I initially thought she'd mixed up the brake and accelerator pedals.

[sminp]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/I_lost_my_legs_but_not_my_daredevil_spirit

Looking forward to the movie. The fact he is back behind a wheel, never mind getting poles and podiums is sensational. Totally in awe of this kid.

There’s an hour long episode following his journey back to racing on BBC Three on iplayer.

[TepidT2O]

She’s had the operation and it’s been a success. No risk of paralysis.  Genuinely astonishing.

It looks like the tower that she hit rocked backwards and deformed quite easily.  This seems to have had a sort of airbag effect and reduced the force on impact.

Rather her than me though

[TepidT2O]

Hit the side at 170mph the team says...

[rob1966]

There’s an hour long episode following his journey back to racing on BBC Three on iplayer.

On BBC2 now, just watching it

[Qston]

The BBC are doing a series of articles about Alonso with his imminent retirement from F1 (great shame !). Anyway, links below and some good reading on this divisive but spectacularly good driver....

Part 1

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46225204

Part 2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46226823

Part 3

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46228877

Part 4

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46238233

Part 5

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/46237953

[paulrazor]

his last few years at McLaren would be like Messi or Ronaldo joining Huddersfield for 4 years

he hasnt won a race in years, hasnt even had a podium since 2014 and you know what, it isnt down to him.

wasted. why oh why could a better team not have gone for him

[Qston]

his last few years at McLaren would be like Messi or Ronaldo joining Huddersfield for 4 years

he hasnt won a race in years, hasnt even had a podium since 2014 and you know what, it isnt down to him.

wasted. why oh why could a better team not have gone for him

The basic theme of the last few pieces above is right i.e. he has made poor decisions and timings. He is right up there with Hamilton as the best in F1 over the past decade and it is such a shame that he has made such poor decisions. I just hope he completes the triple crown - his talent deserves it

[paulrazor]

The basic theme of the last few pieces above is right i.e. he has made poor decisions and timings. He is right up there with Hamilton as the best in F1 over the past decade and it is such a shame that he has made such poor decisions. I just hope he completes the triple crown - his talent deserves it

yep, i posted that before reading and i am actually coming here to post this quote from piece 4

His career has been, in many ways, a series of wrong decisions replayed. As one insider close to him said: "Ultimately, Fernando kept on receiving bad advice and history repeated itself.

"When he should have stayed at McLaren, he signed to go back to Renault. When he should have moved to Red Bull, he signed with Ferrari. When he should have stayed at Ferrari, he signed for McLaren. Unfortunately, always the wrong decision, and he was never alone deciding."

sad in so many ways

thanks for the links pal

[clinical]

Be sad to see Alonso go after this weekend. He should have probably been challenging more at the front. But I also have to say, and this won't be a popular opinion. I personally feel he's a little overrated in terms of people saying he's the best driver on the grid.

Hamilton out performed him in his first season which says it all to me.

[paulrazor]

Be sad to see Alonso go after this weekend. He should have probably been challenging more at the front. But I also have to say, and this won't be a popular opinion. I personally feel he's a little overrated in terms of people saying he's the best driver on the grid.

Hamilton out performed him in his first season which says it all to me.

its difficult to judge if he is the best when he doesnt have the car

its almost an impossible call to make

[clinical]

its difficult to judge if he is the best when he doesnt have the car

its almost an impossible call to make

Correct. The only evidence we can truly go off was in 2007. He's a great driver. You'd be silly to say he's not. But the best driver on the grid? No, not for me.

[Qston]

Correct. The only evidence we can truly go off was in 2007. He's a great driver. You'd be silly to say he's not. But the best driver on the grid? No, not for me.

Fair enough but what I would say is that if he was in the Ferrari rather than Vettel then I do believe Alonso would have been world champion this year.

[CraigDS]

Hugely mismanaged career which has probably cost him another title or two and a place in the history books alongside the greats.

[paulrazor]

Hugely mismanaged career which has probably cost him another title or two and a place in the history books alongside the greats.

i think he is alongside the greats

just should have won more and didnt have the car to do so

he won two titles, he could have easily had another 3 (2007, 2010 and 2012)

[Graeme]

Architect of his own downfall earlier in his career. Some real petulant moments, but on driving ability alone he’s right up there with the greatest.

[Darren G]

Fair enough but what I would say is that if he was in the Ferrari rather than Vettel then I do believe Alonso would have been world champion this year.

 It's all speculation, but I don't agree.  Even without Seb's mistakes, Ferrari's post-Spa performance slump coupled with their horrible strategy calls would have still seen Lewis win this year and Alonso would have had no control over those events.   

[El Lobo]

Yeah, Lewis has won the title by far more points than just the ones Vettel cost himself

[paulrazor]

yep, its also a good quality to not make mistakes

Yeah, Lewis has won the title by far more points than just the ones Vettel cost himself

brings me back again to 95

i might review it if there is enough demand