Author Topic: Southampton (Read 63700 times)

B0151? · « **Reply #200 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:33:54 am »

Quote from: harleydanger on March 15, 2018, 04:26:24 am

It amazes me, that with the cash in the league, the dirth of English managers not worth more than a pub team job and the quality coaches floating around Germany, Italy and Spain that English football boards always turn out to be complete cowards.

I mean if want a defenisvly stable manager, go get an Italian who’ll at least instil a leve if tactical awareness, not just 7 at the back.

An Italian who has failed at about 20 different Italian clubs?? Their managerial merry go round is much worse than ours.

Think people get caught up in the Premier League hype. The money is nice but going to a shite club abroad different language struggling for relegation isn't most decent foreign managers ideal job.

OsirisMVZ · « **Reply #201 on:** March 15, 2018, 10:42:54 am »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on March 15, 2018, 10:30:00 am

It's not an exciting appointment but I think the reaction is sort of werd. Hughes did well at Stoke for longer than most managers do well. It goes to shit for most managers eventually.

My thing with Hughes is his connections with Kia Joorabchian and other agents means he tends to bring in a lot of mercenaries to his clubs. Is that the Southampton model? They brought in prospect players when they first re-entered the Premier League but its them keeping hold of them for too long which has messed them up them up this season. At least his teams attack though!

El Lobo · « **Reply #202 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:23:41 am »

Actually don’t think it’s that bad in fairness

B0151? · « **Reply #203 on:** March 15, 2018, 01:34:30 pm »

Quote from: OsirisMVZ on March 15, 2018, 10:42:54 am

My thing with Hughes is his connections with Kia Joorabchian and other agents means he tends to bring in a lot of mercenaries to his clubs. Is that the Southampton model? They brought in prospect players when they first re-entered the Premier League but its them keeping hold of them for too long which has messed them up them up this season. At least his teams attack though!

But the thing is there's 8 games of the season left. Their options are extremely limited. This is a 'I hope to God there's a new manager kick' appointment more than anything.

The idea they could bring in a foreign manager for the last 8 games of the season is insane. They couldn't get a decent one at this point and even if they could, there's big settling in issues when they need results now. Their only option really was probably someone recently out of work in this country, doubt there's much between Hughes and other options that fit that description.

newterp · « **Reply #204 on:** March 15, 2018, 01:44:38 pm »

Doesn’t Hughes usually do well for a half season or so? The plan probably is outside of the game this weekend - use the international break as a mini preseason.

Kopenhagen · « **Reply #205 on:** March 15, 2018, 01:58:09 pm »

Quote from: harleydanger on March 15, 2018, 04:26:24 am

It amazes me, that with the cash in the league, the dirth of English managers not worth more than a pub team job and the quality coaches floating around Germany, Italy and Spain that English football boards always turn out to be complete cowards.

I mean if want a defenisvly stable manager, go get an Italian who’ll at least instil a leve if tactical awareness, not just 7 at the back.

Most Italian teams are terrible defensively these days.

Cu Chulainn · « **Reply #206 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:14:49 pm »

Quote from: newterp on March 15, 2018, 01:44:38 pm

Doesn’t Hughes usually do well for a half season or so? The plan probably is outside of the game this weekend - use the international break as a mini preseason.

He did well at Stoke for 3 years, just seems things became a bit stale at the end. He's not gonna set the world alight, but he does at least attack, and I think he'll keep them up and do a decent job. With the quality of players they have, Southampton shouldn't be where they are.

JackWard33 · « **Reply #207 on:** March 15, 2018, 11:21:17 pm »

Remember when they finished 8th and reached a cup final then fired their manager because the style of football wasn't too their liking .......

Now it's Hughes and a coin flip for relegation ....oops

OsirisMVZ · « **Reply #208 on:** April 28, 2018, 12:59:31 am »

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/southampton-paying-the-price-for-transfer-failings-and-divided-team-r3x0m2m9r

Article in the Times about divides between players and Boufal having physical fights with both Pellegrino and Hughes.

It says the majority of their squad actually have relegation release clauses and relegation-wage drops in their contracts. They have the 8th highest wage bill in the Premier League, you can't be going into the Championship with a massive salary so at least they've prepared for that.

They have a derby on saturday against Bournemouth and if they lose they may indeed be doomed.

Would take Bertrand and Ward-Prowse as a year under Klopp would massively improve both, but that's it. If they do go down then I would back them to re-assess their philosophy and come back up soon after, in my opinion they have the best academy in the country in terms of producing players who go on to better clubs (rather than be sold to the Sunderlands of the world

).

jamieredders · « **Reply #209 on:** April 28, 2018, 09:07:25 am »

Think the last time they went down from the PL we won the Champions League

Red Beret · « **Reply #210 on:** April 28, 2018, 09:22:01 am »

Quote from: jamieredders on April 28, 2018, 09:07:25 am

Think the last time they went down from the PL we won the Champions League

Wasn't there an Incredibles movie as well?

Lycan · « **Reply #211 on:** April 28, 2018, 09:57:14 am »

Quote from: Red Berry on April 28, 2018, 09:22:01 am

Wasn't there an Incredibles movie as well?

Yep. The stars are aligning.

McrRed · « **Reply #212 on:** April 28, 2018, 10:56:57 am »

Quote from: TheGOAT on August 18, 2013, 08:24:02 pm

Lovren looks shit from what I've seen but Wanyama is ok and Osvaldo though a complete knobhead will get a few goals. Meh.

Hmm

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #213 on:** May 25, 2018, 10:59:25 pm »

Three year deal for Hughes

BBC Sport@BBCSport
Southampton boss Mark Hughes has signed a new three-year contract with the club https://bbc.in/2krHoK8 #Saintsfc

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #214 on:** May 25, 2018, 11:02:12 pm »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on May 25, 2018, 10:59:25 pm

Three year deal for Hughes

BBC Sport@BBCSport
Southampton boss Mark Hughes has signed a new three-year contract with the club https://bbc.in/2krHoK8 #Saintsfc

Gone by Christmas.

sinnermichael · « **Reply #215 on:** May 26, 2018, 06:37:30 am »

Three year contract for basically winning two games against Bournemouth and Swansea.

Easy this management lark.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #216 on:** May 26, 2018, 06:47:59 am »

Quote from: sinnermichael on May 26, 2018, 06:37:30 am

Three year contract for basically winning two games against Bournemouth and Swansea.

Easy this management lark.

8 points in 8 games.

CraigDS · « **Reply #217 on:** May 26, 2018, 07:11:42 am »

That'll be a nice payout for him when he's fired at Christmas.

So… Howard Philips · « **Reply #218 on:** May 26, 2018, 08:14:17 am »

Quote from: CraigDS on May 26, 2018, 07:11:42 am

That'll be a nice payout for him when he's fired at Christmas.

Sam or the Moysiah? Can't be Pardew, surely.

QR350 · « **Reply #219 on:** May 26, 2018, 08:58:10 am »

They deserve to go down. I think they will this season.

Chris~ · « **Reply #220 on:** May 26, 2018, 10:14:24 am »

Amazing how they went from being the model mid table club doing things different to just like the rest of the crap in the space of about a year. Guess we helped fund that.

Simplexity · « **Reply #221 on:** May 26, 2018, 11:22:24 am »

Dont know how anyone still actually employs this bloke after that absolute demolition job he did at QPR, worst management I've ever seen, they probably still havent recovered from that.

Lush is the best medicine... · « **Reply #222 on:** May 26, 2018, 11:45:57 am »

Quote from: Simplexity on May 26, 2018, 11:22:24 am

Dont know how anyone still actually employs this bloke after that absolute demolition job he did at QPR, worst management I've ever seen, they probably still havent recovered from that.

probably because that wasn’t all his fault, more down to a shit owner

Sheer Magnetism · « **Reply #223 on:** July 25, 2018, 11:33:16 pm »

Think this lot may well fall like a stone next season. Nine goals conceded in three pre-season games, one of which was against a Chinese team and another that was against a Derby team that whupped them 3-0. Okay, Harry Wilson was playing but that's still no excuse.

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #224 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:16:27 am »

It's remarkable the number of their bigger signings from recent windows that flopped that they have loaned out. Clasie, Boufal and Carrillo all loaned out so far.

LovelyCushionedHeader · « **Reply #225 on:** July 26, 2018, 11:33:37 am »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on July 26, 2018, 11:16:27 am

It's remarkable the number of their bigger signings from recent windows that flopped that they have loaned out. Clasie, Boufal and Carrillo all loaned out so far.

Yet our fans will still ‘joke’ that we should sign their scouting department or their transfer targets before they do!

bryanod · « **Reply #226 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:23:58 pm »

They could be in big trouble this year, massive 17/2 to go down, and 8/13 just to finish bottom half

Nobby Reserve · « **Reply #227 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:32:30 pm »

Quote from: rafathegaffa83 on July 26, 2018, 11:16:27 am

It's remarkable the number of their bigger signings from recent windows that flopped that they have loaned out. Clasie, Boufal and Carrillo all loaned out so far.

I think they moved away from the recruitment model they'd been loosely following, of buying promising players that the bigger clubs had looked at and thought "they need to develop a bit more" or "we'd prefer to see how they do in the Prem before stumping up". Players like VVD, Mane, Wanyama, Lovren, Clyne. Maybe they just got pissed off seeing players depart (for huge profits) once they'd developed to their potential at Southampton, so decided to buy players that wouldn't really improve.

Dench57 · « **Reply #228 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:38:46 pm »

(Credit to Samie)

rowan_d · « **Reply #229 on:** July 26, 2018, 12:48:26 pm »

Don't think they have a single player better than a low-midtable standard these days. Bertrand maybe.

idontknow · « **Reply #230 on:** July 26, 2018, 01:57:36 pm »

Quote from: Dench57 on July 26, 2018, 12:38:46 pm

(Credit to Samie)

Brilliant

Rush 82 · « **Reply #231 on:** July 26, 2018, 04:30:07 pm »

How are they going to afford to buy anyone now that we're not buying from them any longer?

Twats - had a model that worked and then got all pissy

rafathegaffa83 · « **Reply #232 on:** July 26, 2018, 06:20:25 pm »

Quote from: Rush 82 on July 26, 2018, 04:30:07 pm

How are they going to afford to buy anyone now that we're not buying from them any longer?

Twats - had a model that worked and then got all pissy

See also Lyon, Swansea, Porto, Werder Bremen. Crafting a well worked model takes time. However, the desire for more success often results in it veering off course. It is very difficult to get back

Brian Blessed · « **Reply #233 on:** July 26, 2018, 06:28:52 pm »

Quote from: Rush 82 on July 26, 2018, 04:30:07 pm

How are they going to afford to buy anyone now that we're not buying from them any longer?

Twats - had a model that worked and then got all pissy

Did they spend the Virgil money yet?

Edit: I see they have spent a decent chunk this summer.

MrGrumpy · « **Reply #234 on:** November 4, 2018, 05:14:14 pm »

Hughes out for Christmas? He was a lucky boy to get a job after the Stoke debacle.

jillcwhomever · « **Reply #235 on:** November 4, 2018, 05:17:06 pm »

Quote from: MrGrumpy on November 4, 2018, 05:14:14 pm

Hughes out for Christmas? He was a lucky boy to get a job after the Stoke debacle.

I don't really understand why they kept faith with Hughes, he is way out of his depth.

sinnermichael · « **Reply #236 on:** November 4, 2018, 08:50:47 pm »

Deserve to be relegated for this alone:

https://mobile.twitter.com/_yrocjpowell/status/1059110709286576128

arthur sarnoff · « **Reply #237 on:** November 4, 2018, 09:19:03 pm »

I was at their game last week, the fans hate it at the moment. Utterly devoid of confidence as a team, Hughes is useless and their players know it. No urgency whatsoever.

They're sleepwalking towards a relegation, hoping that three other teams will be worse.

Destiny · « **Reply #238 on:** November 4, 2018, 10:16:20 pm »

I used to admire Southampton's approach of thinking outside of the box with their manager appointments until Pellegrino failed and they hired Hughes. Instead of Hughes they should made a move for some like a Adi Hutter or Marcelo Bielsa like they would of done in the past. Hughes is dreadful and he's record as a manager apart from some solid years at Blackburn and Stoke is shocking I mean seriously how does this guy keep getting jobs in the Premier League?

Floydy · « **Reply #239 on:** November 4, 2018, 10:24:31 pm »

Quote from: Destiny on November 4, 2018, 10:16:20 pm

I used to admire Southampton's approach of thinking outside of the box with their manager appointments until Pellegrino failed and they hired Hughes. Instead of Hughes they should made a move for some like a Adi Hutter or Marcelo Bielsa like they would of done in the past. Hughes is dreadful and he's record as a manager apart from some solid years at Blackburn and Stoke is shocking I mean seriously how does this guy keep getting jobs in the Premier League?

How can you say that? the united job is crying out for him. Old legend, knows the fergie way. Would do a belta of a job there.