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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #240 on: February 2, 2021, 06:59:12 pm »
My son has been a member of that sub reddit for years, he make $40k and got out, he said that's his house deposit sorted.

Get in lad  ;D

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #241 on: February 2, 2021, 07:17:14 pm »
Indeed. Great film and very informative to how the banks pretty much do whatever they want. Not sure if the investors in the film were so surprised in real life at how fraudulent the system is as they worked inside it for years, but it was an eye opener for many.

It looks like the meme stocks may now be fading, GME is crashing down down, I hope for anyone who took risks it goes back up but looks like at this point everyone is cutting their losses. Wallstreetbets is becoming just an echo chamber now of denial and 'buy the dip' 'look at how low the price is going this is great, sale on lets buy more!' and a bit cultish now screaming down anyone who disagrees. I feel really sad for many who have lost out as with all these things many are sensible punts made but many also get caught up in the hype and put down far too much beyond what they can lose.

I can't even spell financial let alone know what's going on!  :lmao
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #242 on: February 2, 2021, 09:36:03 pm »
I can't even spell financial let alone know what's going on!  :lmao

Haha fair enough  ;D

Basically people stood around a new game at a casino most new little about screaming to everyone ‘if you put money down you’ll win!’ Some did win but some kept playing longer than they should have an lost.

Maybe we should get Margot Robbie in a bubble bath to explain.  :D

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #243 on: February 3, 2021, 12:30:29 am »
Very tempted to buy some shares now it's dropped to $90. I'm looking to see if that'd be a bad move
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #244 on: February 3, 2021, 12:58:38 am »
Very tempted to buy some shares now it's dropped to $90. I'm looking to see if that'd be a bad move

It’s a casino full of hype at this point,(as it almost always was) was a time last week and before that with it having so much traction it was always going up and less risky but now most have sold. I sold mine yesterday luckily without losing anything, I made a little but I wouldn’t go back in mainly because of the life it sucks out of you. Day trading is for hardcore pros and non stop obsessively checking charts and forums all day. Yes you could get lucky but that is literally what you are betting on now, luck.

You can go on wallstreetbets and it’s a cult, don’t listen to anything over there now, anything negative or against GME is blocked, then you go on Reddit stocks and it’s the opposite. It was a little clearer before but now literally no one knows now what will happen. In short even if you went in last week you like others and myself missed the boat. There is no train anyone is missing anymore and if there is it’ll be clear before it happens all over Reddit.

The one really great thing I’ve got from the past week is some free(luckily) life lessons and basic knowledge in trading and now have a (very small) stocks and shares ISA set up which I can now add more to each year. So yes it may not sound as thrilling but I’d advise staying away from hype stocks and invest in some long term etfs/ISA as even with them there are large profits to be made, you just have to wait a bit longer than a day for them  :D

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #245 on: February 3, 2021, 02:58:41 am »
Very tempted to buy some shares now it's dropped to $90. I'm looking to see if that'd be a bad move

Just treat it like gambling mate.  Only with money you can afford to lose completely and understanding that the house stacks the odds against you.

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« Reply #246 on: February 3, 2021, 06:15:25 am »
Very tempted to buy some shares now it's dropped to $90. I'm looking to see if that'd be a bad move

On 1st Jan the share price was $17.

I don’t think GameStop have announced anything about their business that would make their share price go up 500%.

Even if it was undervalued, it feels unlikely is was trading at 1/5 of what it ‘should’ have been on 1st Jan.

The business in a serious decline, hence why it was shorted.

I’m just a risk averse accountant, and haven’t invested anything in GameStop.

As mentioned by others, you are gambling as there is no rational reason why the share price will go up as I believe the whole short squeeze episode is over.

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« Reply #247 on: February 3, 2021, 09:02:21 am »
Cheers guys. I'll keep an eye on it. Ideally I'd just want to get in and out quickly assuming it spikes again. But some people are going crazy over it. Definitely can't talk about it on wallstreetbets. Some are down thousands but don't seem to care. Some seem to realise they'll lose money but are invested in the novelty of it. I just want to make a quick profit.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #248 on: February 3, 2021, 09:41:22 am »
Haha fair enough  ;D

Basically people stood around a new game at a casino most new little about screaming to everyone ‘if you put money down you’ll win!’ Some did win but some kept playing longer than they should have an lost.

Maybe we should get Margot Robbie in a bubble bath to explain.  :D

Haha I was joking, I've got 4 @ ~$100, fully expecting to lose money. Just can't resist the chance to stick one up the money men.

Not joking about financial, I really can't spell that.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #249 on: February 3, 2021, 09:53:11 am »
Looks like 'the people' got caught up in an internet driven populist surge against Wall St. and got carried away by this bullshit heroic narrative. Like lambs to the slaughter.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #250 on: February 3, 2021, 11:00:31 am »
Looks like 'the people' got caught up in an internet driven populist surge against Wall St. and got carried away by this bullshit heroic narrative. Like lambs to the slaughter.
When you storm the barricades, better make sure the people around you are all waving the same flag. Don't be the gobshite left holding the can.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #251 on: February 3, 2021, 11:29:56 am »
Looks like 'the people' got caught up in an internet driven populist surge against Wall St. and got carried away by this bullshit heroic narrative. Like lambs to the slaughter.
When you storm the barricades, better make sure the people around you are all waving the same flag. Don't be the gobshite left holding the can.

I think it'll recover somewhat, there's clearly some manipulation to a degree.

But yeah, I don't think you can really expect some sort of socialist movement from the stock market when essentially everyone is against everyone. Happy that lots of people are opting to pay it forward with charitable donations or are able to pay off health debts etc though.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #252 on: February 3, 2021, 11:33:49 am »
Wasn't the whole point that everyone needed to hold the GME stock, or the vast majority anyway, to make the whole thing work? And people buying it and then panicking when it went down and selling again 'low' didnt really understand the whole point in the first place, and how it was going to 'go to the moon'....?
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #253 on: February 3, 2021, 11:55:13 am »
Wasn't the whole point that everyone needed to hold the GME stock, or the vast majority anyway, to make the whole thing work? And people buying it and then panicking when it went down and selling again 'low' didnt really understand the whole point in the first place, and how it was going to 'go to the moon'....?
I think it was 'hold until the end of trading last Friday', because at that stage, the hedge fund would be on the hook for huge loses.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #254 on: February 3, 2021, 01:36:50 pm »
Wasn't the whole point that everyone needed to hold the GME stock, or the vast majority anyway, to make the whole thing work? And people buying it and then panicking when it went down and selling again 'low' didnt really understand the whole point in the first place, and how it was going to 'go to the moon'....?
There never was an 'everyone'. There were all kinds of people buying the stock, from people looking to 'smash the system' to wealthy hedge fund types, to people looking to make a quick buck and get out. People with different priorities and motives.

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« Reply #255 on: February 3, 2021, 02:06:55 pm »
Cheers guys. I'll keep an eye on it. Ideally I'd just want to get in and out quickly assuming it spikes again. But some people are going crazy over it. Definitely can't talk about it on wallstreetbets. Some are down thousands but don't seem to care. Some seem to realise they'll lose money but are invested in the novelty of it. I just want to make a quick profit.

You, me and everyone else too mate  ;D An yeah wallstreetbets is just a joke now, full of trolls and embarrassing posts. Unfortunately the train left the station about 2 weeks ago on this or more.

If you want volatile prices then there is still loads to be had all over different stocks and on crypto (I would advise strongly against it!) literally every week but it is a casino, full stop, you will have better odds literally if you go stick your money on red or black in a casino. Much better to wait for dips and stay in long.

For anyone still interested in all of this I really suggest going onto https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/?f=flair_name%3A%22Discussion%22 there are a lot of sobering articles, tons of useful information and is a world away from wallstreetbets.

One really good post for people unsure of what to do with all this craze I have left below. Basically stop thinking you are missing out, you are not.

"A Must-Read for New Traders/Investors - BlackBerry, AMC, and others

I feel compelled to write this post because I am seeing it first hand right now. People everywhere are asking whether GameStop or AMC or Blackberry or even Silver are good buys. Why? Because they are ALL in the news, embedded in culture at this very moment. They are being texted and shared with friends and discussed across the Internet. I want to write about this to shed light on a really interesting concept in markets related to this and I hope it helps someone.

First of all, there's an old trader rule that says "if a stock makes the news, you're late." What that means is someone who was more prepared, who had built a long-term plan, was involved before the news became a thing. Before you knew what it was. It's important to remember that people do this for a living - studying companies, writing about them, reading about them, and building a position over time before the news cycle begins. You need to know this to make better decisions. Otherwise you will chase news headlines and continue to be "late." Now of course, some people do chase headlines for a living, buying on big news announcements, but just remember that someone out there was there long before it happened. The awareness of this will really change your perspective on markets.

The next topic I want to shed some light on is the broad market and all of the ideas available to you if you just look around. I see WAY TOO many people talking about AMC and Blackberry and others. There are 3000+ other stocks in the market. That's right... 3000. Add in crypto and that's easily another 1000+ crypto projects. Add in forex and futures and that's easily another 500+ futures and forex trades. The point I am trying to make is - REALLY? You're going to buy AMC or Blackberry just because you saw a headline? There are 5000+ other trades and ideas out there. Take your time. Be patient. Don't chase. Look at the entire market. It's wide open to you.

The final point of this post is the idea that the market is not going anywhere. Avoid FOMO (Fear of Missing Out) at all costs. My good friend tells me to embrace JOMO (Joy of Missing Out). The point here, and concluding paragraph, is that the market has been open for 100+ years. It is not going anywhere. No one is telling you to buy or sell. You are talking to yourself and spiraling into a whirlwind of FOMO. You have to take ownership of your portfolio. There is no manipulation or scam going on other than your decision making. The same way you research a car or TV, hours of research, reading reviews, studying your budget, is the same way you should approach markets. There is no rush to do anything. You won't "miss the move." As I said, the market has been open 100+ years. Relax. JOMO is a great strategy in certain times.

I hope this post helps and I wrote it because you all mean a lot to me. I have been online talking markets since 2010. I am thankful to the Internet, Reddit, and even Twitter because of the doors they've opened in my life. Especially around markets. So I really write this post to help someone, anyone, who is new or confused about the markets. I also want to say that I write this having done all the above. No joke. I have done ALL of the above and been hosed so many times. So I hope this helps.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #256 on: February 4, 2021, 05:24:46 pm »
well, happy i stayed away in the end.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #257 on: February 4, 2021, 06:55:33 pm »
Somebody is getting very rich on a joke.

Dogecoin, a cryptocurrency which started off as a joke, has jumped in value by 50% after inventor Elon Musk dubbed it "the people's crypto".

I wonder if Musk dumped a billion into it.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #259 on: February 5, 2021, 06:09:11 am »
I was joking with my mates that I was gonna invest in beanie babies or magic the gathering cards, as it makes as much sense as what is happening right now with crypto and these other activities in my view. And then this happens;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-54507760

I feel that the current situation with crypto in general actually could be analogous to the Trump, Brexit a and anti-vax phenomenons. In that people are choosing to believe in something and arguments that are detached from reality.

The most valuable crypto is terrible as a currency for all manner of reasons, but it’s energy inefficiency is clear. This is before is actually used as a real currency too. How can we argue this is the future?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/technology-48853230

Anyway I’m gonna bet my savings on doge.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #260 on: February 18, 2021, 09:44:14 pm »
Renowned GameStop investor 'Roaring Kitty' hit with a securities-fraud lawsuit over his role in the stock's epic surge https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gamestop-investor-roaring-kitty-sued-securities-fraud-reddit-keith-gill-2021-2?r=US&IR=T

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #261 on: February 19, 2021, 09:27:44 am »
Renowned GameStop investor 'Roaring Kitty' hit with a securities-fraud lawsuit over his role in the stock's epic surge https://www.businessinsider.com.au/gamestop-investor-roaring-kitty-sued-securities-fraud-reddit-keith-gill-2021-2?r=US&IR=T

This kind of sums the whole thing up really doesn't it, talk about investingating the wrong fucking thing.
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #262 on: February 19, 2021, 09:43:38 am »
This kind of sums the whole thing up really doesn't it, talk about investingating the wrong fucking thing.

He's being sued by another private individual, i.e. its not an investigation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/-roaring-kitty-sued-for-securities-fraud-over-gamestop-rise?sref=xV4MFLG7

While it appears Roaring kitty was also present at the House Financial Services Committee hearing yesterday, he was certainly not the focal point:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-19/robinhood-ceo-s-five-hour-ordeal-is-capped-by-ocasio-cortez-duel?sref=xV4MFLG7
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« Reply #263 on: February 19, 2021, 10:16:42 am »
He's being sued by another private individual, i.e. its not an investigation.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-17/-roaring-kitty-sued-for-securities-fraud-over-gamestop-rise?sref=xV4MFLG7

While it appears Roaring kitty was also present at the House Financial Services Committee hearing yesterday, he was certainly not the focal point:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-19/robinhood-ceo-s-five-hour-ordeal-is-capped-by-ocasio-cortez-duel?sref=xV4MFLG7

How is it not an investigation regardless of who started it? He's been subpoenad by MA securities regulators.

Even with Robinhoods apparent conflict of interest being reviewed, aren't the investigations still aiming below where they really should be? Isn't the underlying issue here the irresponsible practices of hedge funds and the market in general? In what fucking world is selling something you borrow off someone that hasn't got it to lend in the first place a thing? What in the world are these people actually contributing to society?
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #264 on: February 19, 2021, 11:56:46 pm »
DFV bought 50k MORE shares.

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« Reply #265 on: February 20, 2021, 05:43:53 am »
How is it not an investigation regardless of who started it? He's been subpoenad by MA securities regulators.

Even with Robinhoods apparent conflict of interest being reviewed, aren't the investigations still aiming below where they really should be? Isn't the underlying issue here the irresponsible practices of hedge funds and the market in general? In what fucking world is selling something you borrow off someone that hasn't got it to lend in the first place a thing? What in the world are these people actually contributing to society?

I think it should be regulated how much you can short a specific stock by.

However, short sellers by themselves are not the problem. Some would argue they are even necessary. They have the financial incentive to look into companies with a skeptical view and ensure that they are not cooking the books or putting out misleading statements. The investors in the companies typically don't care that much as long as the stock prices keep going up.

As in The Big Short, it wasn't the short sellers that caused the crash, it was the banks that were misleading their clients.

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« Reply #266 on: February 20, 2021, 07:24:05 am »
I’m still buying up AMC. I love the stock

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« Reply #267 on: February 23, 2021, 11:39:46 am »
I think it should be regulated how much you can short a specific stock by.

However, short sellers by themselves are not the problem. Some would argue they are even necessary. They have the financial incentive to look into companies with a skeptical view and ensure that they are not cooking the books or putting out misleading statements. The investors in the companies typically don't care that much as long as the stock prices keep going up.

As in The Big Short, it wasn't the short sellers that caused the crash, it was the banks that were misleading their clients.

Naked short selling is illegal and hasn't it basically been confirmed that GME was shorted at more than 100%, which surely can't happen unless the same shares are shorted more than once?

Or am I misunderstanding something? (very possible  ;D)
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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #268 on: February 23, 2021, 08:22:53 pm »
Naked short selling is illegal and hasn't it basically been confirmed that GME was shorted at more than 100%, which surely can't happen unless the same shares are shorted more than once?

Or am I misunderstanding something? (very possible  ;D)

I think he's just saying there are different types of short sellers.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #269 on: February 24, 2021, 09:16:57 pm »
Hoo boy it doubled today, almost back up to 100. This might just take off again.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #270 on: February 24, 2021, 10:20:41 pm »
Somebody is getting very rich on a joke.

Dogecoin, a cryptocurrency which started off as a joke, has jumped in value by 50% after inventor Elon Musk dubbed it "the people's crypto".

I wonder if Musk dumped a billion into it.
It wouldn't surprise me. ;D

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #271 on: February 25, 2021, 12:20:30 am »
Hoo boy it doubled today, almost back up to 100. This might just take off again.

Up another 80% after hours
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« Reply #272 on: March 8, 2021, 04:25:46 pm »
Its up $40~ today, currently at $185 and has already gone past the big peak it had in late Feb (175). This story is far from over. Did anyone here NOT sell when this crashed a fortnight ago?
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« Reply #273 on: March 10, 2021, 10:13:27 am »
Held when it fell to 40 at an 80% loss. My price : 5k per share minimum

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #274 on: March 10, 2021, 06:31:50 pm »
That was wild, so 250 is the new floor

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #275 on: March 10, 2021, 07:16:19 pm »
I sold during that mental crash attempt and then bought back in a little cheaper. I've at least made back the money I spent 6 weeks ago (and a little more profit) so thats a positive considering I still don't really know what I'm doing.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #276 on: March 10, 2021, 07:22:09 pm »
Lol, be careful trying to time the market.

At this point I suggest just switching everything off and setting a price alert for 5k  ;D

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #277 on: March 10, 2021, 07:26:01 pm »
I seriously doubt it’ll hit 5k, or anywhere near.

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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #278 on: March 10, 2021, 07:28:48 pm »
The option chain alone runs to 800$. That is the end of the gamma squeeze and the beginning of the short squeeze.


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Re: Modern Day David V Goliath (Redditors v Hedgefunders)
« Reply #279 on: March 10, 2021, 11:50:00 pm »
150 dollar loss on the day but still ending in green, LOL! Strap on whoever has skin in the game, this is going to get WILD!