Topic: PL: Liverpool 1 vs 1 Manchester city Stones 24’ MacAllister 50’

[redk84]

watched the highlights...
damn those missed chances - couple for Diaz and one for Nunez, another day and we would have been up. But they did hit the bar at the end so could have been a sucker punch

First half they were better than us for first 15. Only other period in match they had was around 80 when they kept the ball well for about 10 as they were obviously happy with settling for a draw

Apart from that we were clearly better than them. The chances missed we have to now make sure we don't regret...we need a statement win this season and I suppose it'll have to now be United away!

[Snusmumriken]

watched the highlights...
damn those missed chances - couple for Diaz and one for Nunez, another day and we would have been up. But they did hit the bar at the end so could have been a sucker punch

First half they were better than us for first 15. Only other period in match they had was around 80 when they kept the ball well for about 10 as they were obviously happy with settling for a draw

Apart from that we were clearly better than them. The chances missed we have to now make sure we don't regret...we need a statement win this season and I suppose it'll have to now be United away!

Or Tottenham after they’ve taken points of both City and Arsenal the previous weeks 

[stockdam]

This is the level of claptrap reporting we have in the newspapers (and the reason why I don't read any of them).

"Jurgen Klopp launches into bizarre rant as he insists Liverpool should have had an injury-time penalty for Jeremy Doku's challenge... after asking Sky Sports reporter his opinion first!"

We all heard the interview and there was no "bizarre rant". Nothing in the interview was bizarre and there was no ranting by Jurgen. It's just disrespectful nonsense from a writer who clearly has lost the ability to create an informed and balanced article. The headline is clickbait to make you want to read more about the "bizarre rant" and then when you do there's nothing whatsoever to explain the headline. The only thing "bizarre" was that Klopp asked the reporter if the thought it was a penalty and if anyone thinks that is bizarre then they obviously have an agenda.

It was written by Lewis Steele from the Daily Mail and just shows the level of shite that he and the paper write. There's practically zero content in the article and it's basically just a cut and paste of Jurgen's quotes. No insight, no analysis, no balanced viewpoint.......just clickbait. This level of poor writing fuels the ignorance of other fans who will latch onto the words "bizarre rant" and believe the headline hook, line and sinker.

[LanceLink!!!!!]

One thing that really helped us in the second half was that yellow for Rodri.  He was completely ineffective in the second half, barely did anything and couldn't risk putting it about like he usually does.

He's now 2 yellows away from a 2 game ban. He's their most important player. It would be ideal for us if he misses the Spurs away game, he needs 2 cards in the next 4 games for that to happen.

[kesey]

watched the highlights...
damn those missed chances - couple for Diaz and one for Nunez, another day and we would have been up. But they did hit the bar at the end so could have been a sucker punch

First half they were better than us for first 15. Only other period in match they had was around 80 when they kept the ball well for about 10 as they were obviously happy with settling for a draw

Apart from that we were clearly better than them. The chances missed we have to now make sure we don't regret...we need a statement win this season and I suppose it'll have to now be United away!

I reckon Diaz had only one chance and that was the second half one when clean through. The Nunez one was a good save and the Foden bar one came off his arm . They did hit the post though . Iam surprised their goal wasn't checked as one of our players the nearest to Jones was pushed and held.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

This is the level of claptrap reporting we have in the newspapers (and the reason why I don't read any of them).

"Jurgen Klopp launches into bizarre rant as he insists Liverpool should have had an injury-time penalty for Jeremy Doku's challenge... after asking Sky Sports reporter his opinion first!"

We all heard the interview and there was no "bizarre rant". Nothing in the interview was bizarre and there was no ranting by Jurgen. It's just disrespectful nonsense from a writer who clearly has lost the ability to create an informed and balanced article. The headline is clickbait to make you want to read more about the "bizarre rant" and then when you do there's nothing whatsoever to explain the headline. The only thing "bizarre" was that Klopp asked the reporter if the thought it was a penalty and if anyone thinks that is bizarre then they obviously have an agenda.

It was written by Lewis Steele from the Daily Mail and just shows the level of shite that he and the paper write. There's practically zero content in the article and it's basically just a cut and paste of Jurgen's quotes. No insight, no analysis, no balanced viewpoint.......just clickbait. This level of poor writing fuels the ignorance of other fans who will latch onto the words "bizarre rant" and believe the headline hook, line and sinker.

Not being funny, but if you read shite from the Daily Nazi then you deserve all you get.

[Fitzy.]

The post-match 'space' is becoming increasingly unbearable with rival fans and media outlets spinning events to make it seem like Klopp is being outlandish in calling for a pen. Every week there's a HUGE talking point as controversy is confected and contrived. Just so dull.

[kesey]

Man City winning yesterday would have put us in the same position - same games to play and hoping they drop bits before an inevitable running win. It's a boost and whilst a win I think would have made us overwhelming favourites I still think we have far more fire power to take into the business end of the season.

We've got through this phase at times on fumes and the kids winning it.

A draw between City and Arse would be ace before they draw each other in the CL quarter finals please.

I'd rather Arsenal get to the semis or final. They don't rotate so their legs will go at somepoint.

[Mahern]

Think we played really well and were quite clearly the better team. Diaz’s finishing is really why he doesn’t quite fit here. You can’t have someone that wasteful in that position. Cost us the win imo

hahah fuck me

[kesey]

One of my bluenose mates just texted me saying youse were robbed again. If an Everton fan can see it then there is the answer !

[Fitzy.]

Think we played really well and were quite clearly the better team. Diaz’s finishing is really why he doesn’t quite fit here. You can’t have someone that wasteful in that position. Cost us the win imo

You're basically asking for something that no other club has: a set of forwards who are all insanely good finishers. We have Salah and Jota for that. More than most. The others score a fair few but will also miss stuff. Your call about Diaz not belonging at LFC seems very harsh.

[mullyred94]

One thing that really helped us in the second half was that yellow for Rodri.  He was completely ineffective in the second half, barely did anything and couldn't risk putting it about like he usually does.

Wasn't Rodri the one who handballed on our counter with the ref playing advantage in the second half?

[Coolie High]

Kelleher gives us an extra footballer on the pitch. Many times in the past when City pressured and the ball went back to Alisson they would regain possession. With Kelleher we just have an extra footballer in there who can absorb that pressure and keep possession. Against other teams it is not that big an issue, but against pressing teams I would want a keeper like Kelleher.
He is seriously making me think of the goalkeeper position long term.

Kelleher was going long a lot more times than i remember Allison doing, that was not the reason we kept the ball better, the reason was our midfield of Endo Macallister Elliott and Domonik, and the fact City have dropped a level.

[stockdam]

Not being funny, but if you read shite from the Daily Nazi then you deserve all you get.

I don't go looking for it and as I said I don't read any newspapers. I was looking for a video of the Doku incident and saw the headline. Just out of curiosity I decided to read it to see what utter crap they write and sure enough it was crap.

The danger of this sort of shite is that a lot of people believe what they read and will regurgitate the nonsense as if it is true. A lot of people believe that somehow a wrong drop-ball decision lead to a goal minutes later.

I don't read newspapers so can't really comment whether this level of poor writing is prevalent (I suspect it is). It's a well used technique whereby you write a headline that's a bit extreme and then people will read and believe it. The majority of fans do not support Liverpool and so any negative reporting will feed their agenda much more so than positive reporting will (which will only tend to be read by the minority of supporters....ie us). I'm sure all clubs get the same treatment in that their fans will be vastly outnumbered by the majority of fans.

[stockdam]

Wasn't Rodri the one who handballed on our counter with the ref playing advantage in the second half?

Yes and at the time I wondered if he was going to get a second yellow but I guess the ref played on. We should have just stopped and put up our hands to force the referee to make a decision. I think Rodri was fortunate that he wasn't sent off as it looked like a deliberate handball.

[Fitzy.]

Yes and at the time I wondered if he was going to get a second yellow but I guess the ref played on. We should have just stopped and put up our hands to force the referee to make a decision. I think Rodri was fortunate that he wasn't sent off as it looked like a deliberate handball.

Yeah, I don't think you can play on if the decision is a red card.

[Scottymuser]

I reckon Diaz had only one chance and that was the second half one when clean through. The Nunez one was a good save and the Foden bar one came off his arm . They did hit the post though . Iam surprised their goal wasn't checked as one of our players the nearest to Jones was pushed and held.

He had two very good chances (the one from Mo Salah, which was an xG of 0.4; and then the one where Nunez played a perfectly weighted pass through to him, and whilst trying to control it, he passed it 10 yards straight to Ederson) and one maybe "good" chance (xG of 0.13, from the pass from Szoboslai in the first half).   They hit the woodwork twice - as you said, the Foden one where it hit his arm (so would have been disallowed) from a bizarre punch from Kelleher, and Doku which was an xG of 0.04 so a very difficult chance and would have been saved if it had been going in).

[Lynndenberries]

I reckon Diaz had only one chance and that was the second half one when clean through. The Nunez one was a good save and the Foden bar one came off his arm . They did hit the post though . Iam surprised their goal wasn't checked as one of our players the nearest to Jones was pushed and held.

He really had 3 within that 5 minute span, but couldn’t get a shot off for two of them because of poor touches.

[Nick110581]

We have to hope that performance pushes us on.

[Scottymuser]

We never really created a clear chance after the Diaz misses though, and against top sides misses like that tend to bite you in the arse.

Speaking of Diaz, that run where he made Rodri and Walker look like a pair of bums was one of the best things I've ever seen.

Yes we did?  Nunez had a good chance (xG of 0.28) in the 71st minute that Ortega saved very well; Mac and Salah both had xG chances of about 0.13 (maybe not clear, but not bad), and in the Salah "penalty" call incident, Gakpo had a clear sight of goal, 12 yards out, and mysteriously chose not to take an easy shot on, fake twice, before passing to Salah.

[smutchin]

Not being funny, but if you read shite from the Daily Nazi then you deserve all you get.

Was going to post exactly the same. I despair every time anyone shares a story from that pile of shite. They're as bad as the other one we don't mention.

[Fromola]

This is the level of claptrap reporting we have in the newspapers (and the reason why I don't read any of them).

"Jurgen Klopp launches into bizarre rant as he insists Liverpool should have had an injury-time penalty for Jeremy Doku's challenge... after asking Sky Sports reporter his opinion first!"

We all heard the interview and there was no "bizarre rant". Nothing in the interview was bizarre and there was no ranting by Jurgen. It's just disrespectful nonsense from a writer who clearly has lost the ability to create an informed and balanced article. The headline is clickbait to make you want to read more about the "bizarre rant" and then when you do there's nothing whatsoever to explain the headline. The only thing "bizarre" was that Klopp asked the reporter if the thought it was a penalty and if anyone thinks that is bizarre then they obviously have an agenda.

It was written by Lewis Steele from the Daily Mail and just shows the level of shite that he and the paper write. There's practically zero content in the article and it's basically just a cut and paste of Jurgen's quotes. No insight, no analysis, no balanced viewpoint.......just clickbait. This level of poor writing fuels the ignorance of other fans who will latch onto the words "bizarre rant" and believe the headline hook, line and sinker.

Which is the whole point. None of these hacks ridiculed the unhinged reaction of Forest last week. They indulged it and created mood music to allow Guardiola to put more pressure on the officials before the game yesterday.

[Vote For Pedro]

The danger of this sort of shite is that a lot of people believe what they read and will regurgitate the nonsense as if it is true. A lot of people believe that somehow a wrong drop-ball decision lead to a goal minutes later.

To be fair, most who read that insidious, hate-filled rag still think Brexit's a good idea and Prince Andrew was stitched up.

[jillcwhomever]

One thing that really helped us in the second half was that yellow for Rodri.  He was completely ineffective in the second half, barely did anything and couldn't risk putting it about like he usually does.

I nearly fainted when he received a yellow card. 

[Vote For Pedro]

The post-match 'space' is becoming increasingly unbearable with rival fans and media outlets spinning events to make it seem like Klopp is being outlandish in calling for a pen. Every week there's a HUGE talking point as controversy is confected and contrived. Just so dull.

They're genuinely terrified that we can go on and win it all. Most of the press will be creaming themselves silly if Utd beat us at the weekend.

It's such a pity that pre and post match is so full of genuine bullshit nowadays, as it was a great game yesterday, full of breathless tension and mental moments. However, coverage of top flight football has gone the way of all mainstream media in this country - even further down the garbage shoot than ever.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Kelleher just puts me at ease in that area. Alisson is less press resistant and makes me nervous at times.

Kelleher is absolutely outstanding these last few weeks. It's going to hard to keep him though as i think it's inevitable someone comes in with a proper big offer for him. New manager is going to have his work cut out. Is cup football going to be enough combined with a pay rise?

[Mister Flip Flop]

The post-match 'space' is becoming increasingly unbearable with rival fans and media outlets spinning events to make it seem like Klopp is being outlandish in calling for a pen. Every week there's a HUGE talking point as controversy is confected and contrived. Just so dull.

One of the reasons i just don't watch any pre or post match stuff anymore is the trolling and baiting for clicks. I watch the match and then i go about my life. I honestly couldn't give a fuck what Neville, Carragher, Talksport, Ferdinand, the referee in the studio etc.. think about our games.

[Paul JH]

It's such a pity that pre and post match is so full of genuine bullshit nowadays.

I used to watch build up's to matches, then read all the stuff the next day. It's got that bad, that clickbait, that biased and so utterly shite (especially Sky and BBC Sport online) I don't look at anything anymore. Not a single thing.
Football coverage has gone the way of the fan-channel, unhinged nonsense, designed for clicks and engagement.

Say something bizarre and it gets more hits and comments. Sad but it'll always be like that now.

[Elzar]

I used to watch build up's to matches, then read all the stuff the next day. It's got that bad, that clickbait, that biased and so utterly shite (especially Sky and BBC Sport online) I don't look at anything anymore. Not a single thing.
Football coverage has gone the way of the fan-channel, unhinged nonsense, designed for clicks and engagement.

Say something bizarre and it gets more hits and comments. Sad but it'll always be like that now.

I ignore all pre, post and half time anaylsis. Skip through match of the day, watch interviews on youtube and only take in various podcasts. I used to live Totally football show, but the level of journalists on it has been terrible this season. I don't mind the kind of half comedy podcasts that aren't actually trying to analyse anything, a bit like the football ramble.

I see most reaction from other pundits and fans from people posting it here or retweeting on twitter, and it's usually absolutely shite.

Expecting all those people that were outraged last week, to be very much "Well he did touch the ball" this week.
 

[Paul JH]

I ignore all pre, post and half time anaylsis. Skip through match of the day, watch interviews on youtube and only take in various podcasts. I used to live Totally football show, but the level of journalists on it has been terrible this season. I don't mind the kind of half comedy podcasts that aren't actually trying to analyse anything, a bit like the football ramble.

There's a few I don't mind, I'll watch some podcasts on Youtube, but mainstream stuff decided 'hey, those fan channels are good aren't they?' and have decided to go down that road of ludicrous statements made about an incident to get clicks and engagement. It's what works for them as far as getting comments and the social media crowd to engage. Sky, BBC, especially Sky ... they've gone down the road of 'lets say something ridiculous'. When you have all the Youtubers now showing up on mainstream channels and sites, says it all.

You can argue SOME of them know their stuff, but a lot of it is just bluster for clicks.

The fact that the pen yesterday, which WAS a pen whether you're a red or not, gets less traction than a drop ball that happened TWO MINUTES before we scored last week, says it all.

[kesey]

He had two very good chances (the one from Mo Salah, which was an xG of 0.4; and then the one where Nunez played a perfectly weighted pass through to him, and whilst trying to control it, he passed it 10 yards straight to Ederson) and one maybe "good" chance (xG of 0.13, from the pass from Szoboslai in the first half).   They hit the woodwork twice - as you said, the Foden one where it hit his arm (so would have been disallowed) from a bizarre punch from Kelleher, and Doku which was an xG of 0.04 so a very difficult chance and would have been saved if it had been going in).

I must've popped out for a ciggie or something as don't remember that one. I'll never get my head around the x G thing by the way .

[Mighty_Red]

Yes we did?  Nunez had a good chance (xG of 0.28) in the 71st minute that Ortega saved very well; Mac and Salah both had xG chances of about 0.13 (maybe not clear, but not bad), and in the Salah "penalty" call incident, Gakpo had a clear sight of goal, 12 yards out, and mysteriously chose not to take an easy shot on, fake twice, before passing to Salah.

That non-shot from Gakpo was unbelievable but it comes from the fact his confidence is at rock bottom these past few weeks. Need to find a way to get him out of this.

Glad that I'm not the only one raging at that Ederson challenge, remember Robbo get sent off for less. It was dangerously late, not just mistimed.

Of course, City players got away with so many fouls and bookings so they'll always get away with this.

[telekon]

I reckon Diaz had only one chance and that was the second half one when clean through. The Nunez one was a good save and the Foden bar one came off his arm . They did hit the post though . Iam surprised their goal wasn't checked as one of our players the nearest to Jones was pushed and held.

Yep. Makes you wonder why Endo's was checked for minutes and then ruled a foul. This one was arguably worse.

[FlashGordon]

One thing that really helped us in the second half was that yellow for Rodri.  He was completely ineffective in the second half, barely did anything and couldn't risk putting it about like he usually does.

Still held Diaz back with both arms on that run he went on.

[TSC]

I reckon Diaz had only one chance and that was the second half one when clean through. The Nunez one was a good save and the Foden bar one came off his arm . They did hit the post though . Iam surprised their goal wasn't checked as one of our players the nearest to Jones was pushed and held.

I fully expected him to slot that one.  It was a relatively easy-ish chance, given some of his previous finishes. 

[TheMan]

kelleher 7: steady, not too much to do but did well when called upon
bradley 7: the guy will not be bullied, he has a bit of attitude, can defend and attack
quansah 7: just one mistake, other than that looked good and composed
VVD 9: best defender in the world
Gomez 7: got better as the game went on
Endo 8: Industry and intelligence, helped us win the midfield battle against a much vaunted trio
McAllister 9: no weakness, bargain of the century
Szobozlai 7: returning to form
Elliot 8: never stops, leads the press, relentless, excellent on the ball
Nunez 7: Another Duracell bunny, always on the go, didn't get the chances today but gave it everything
Diaz 8: Went at Walker all day long, wants the ball, never hides, runs and presents himself all day long, missed one great chance

[...]

Still held Diaz back with both arms on that run he went on.

Yup, madness that he wasn't given a second yellow for it.

[SerbianScouser]

Repeat this performance 10 times and we're winning the league.

[GarciaAndNunezNunezNunez]

Haaland isn't  a player I don't think I'll ever be fearful of when watching against us, compared to some other Premier League top goalscorers. That should be strange considering his record, but the type of player he is and his total lack of involvement never really gives you that ominous feeling. If you can overpower that City midfield in the second half as I had hoped we would, you can seriously render him useless. He has scored against us before which was due to a mistake, but he's never going to be that Henry/Drogba/Aguero brand of player who can really do the unimaginable from nothing imo.

The Doku decision get's worse the more you watch it, which is precisely what VAR should have been doing. I don't doubt that because of the type of player Doku is, that may have contributed to the decision that it was a coming together - he's an attacking flair player, not aggressive and most likely was trying to 'control the ball.' City players do get away with a lot of sh** but I think if that is another player like Walker and earlier in the game, it could have looked more rash, clumsy and reckless. If it's earlier on in the game and a different player, it's probably given. If it's down the other end and Andy Robertson does it, probably also given. I think there's too many variables that these clowns go by - rather than objectively just giving a decision based on the law - no studs chest height and making contact with an opponent.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

The thing is though, it wouldn't have been a soft penalty to give. I could understand this line of thinking if it was a genuinely subjective or soft call but it's not.

If Oliver gives it on the pitch, or Atwell sends him to the monitor and it gets awarded that way, there's not a pundit in the country that would disagree with it. The fact that it wasn't given just allows the pundits to try and discredit it as a pen. Just see (Ex Manchester City player) Shay Given on MOTD last night who apparently didn't even think it was a foul and Oliver did a brilliant job. No way he has that opinion if the pen is given. He probably goes with "Well Doku's won the ball but caught Mac on the follow through so although I think it's soft, I can see why the ref has given it" or something along those lines.

It's a nailed on penalty and they've created more controversy by not giving it than they would have if they'd awarded it.

Morons.

You say that. If it had been given, any controversy you’ve seen would pale into insignificance compared with what the City PR machine would stir up.
They’re like Everton in that in their eyes, they’re never beaten fairly or deservedly by us. There always has to be a reason.