Topic: Anfield Road Extension - Construction work resumed on 12th September 2023.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

Can I loan about MORE hospitality?
How many is that in the entire stadium now?


Also. Rail seating. Just do it.

It's not necessarily more.
Quite a few of the offsite packages we've been selling for the last few years have seats in the Anny Rd. I'd have thought this is an opportunity to bring those onsite and make the experience a bit better and I daresay profitable; no room hire, no coach hire etc.

At the moment you may have a meal in the Liver Building, a talk from an ex-player, a coach to Anfield and then you're queuing up outside the ground with the rest of the crowd. Bringing it inhouse will enhance the experience for the fan as well as possibly being more profitable than offsite hospitality.

I've got no problem with hospitality, it boosts revenue and helps subsidise GA tickets, and there's clearly a big demand for it.

[Red Beret]

yep, people should be happy with the progress

i know united have about 78 or whatever but it didnt happen overnight, its not as if in one season they went from 40k to 78

61 is a good number for us and im sure if things are going well we could look at doing more elsewhere

I wouldn't want us to go that big. I think it would affect the atmosphere, and despite the current massive demand for tickets I don't think even we could consistently sell out every week with numbers like that to fill.

I think maybe 68-70k would be our maximum if we get around to rebuilding the Sir Kenny and The Kop.

[paulrazor]

I wouldn't want us to go that big. I think it would affect the atmosphere, and despite the current massive demand for tickets I don't think even we could consistently sell out every week with numbers like that to fill.

I think maybe 68-70k would be our maximum if we get around to rebuilding the Sir Kenny and The Kop.

probably be about the max alright

its definitely not a case of (as they say in waynes world) if you book them they will come

anyway 60-62 or whatever will do rightly for now. See how things go after that, just like we waited to see how well the main stand did

[Red Beret]

probably be about the max alright

its definitely not a case of (as they say in waynes world) if you book them they will come

anyway 60-62 or whatever will do rightly for now. See how things go after that, just like we waited to see how well the main stand did

Yeah. Enlarging the Sir Kenny stand on its own would probably add 7-9k, but  I'm not sure you can add much to The Kop as a single tier to make the work financially viable. It would probably get a facelift to bring it in line with the rest of the stadium though.

And of course going bigger brings up the issue of transport infrastructure in the area, which is already creaking on match days.

[paulrazor]

Yeah. Enlarging the Sir Kenny stand on its own would probably add 7-9k, but  I'm not sure you can add much to The Kop as a single tier to make the work financially viable. It would probably get a facelift to bring it in line with the rest of the stadium though.

And of course going bigger brings up the issue of transport infrastructure in the area, which is already creaking on match days.

yeah another tier on the kop for instance takes away from it and hospitality area there is a big no no

long way away from this if it ever happens anyway

[kaesarsosei]

I think Spurs are actually a well run club. Yes we are leaving them behind but the only reason it was ever close was because of horrendous mis-management on our side for 20 years. Obviously under H&G but I also include the previous regime in that - United were on a level playing field with us in the early 90's but then left us for dust while we did nothing.

Back to Spurs, we've been a bigger club since the 1970's so it was good to work for them to "catch-up" with us in the early-mid 2010's. As for their stadium, they were literally at a glass ceiling. Do nothing and stay still, or take the punt on the stadium and (eventually) catch up with the likes of Arsenal, Chelsea and City. I would add Liverpool too but I don't think Spurs or anyone could have foreseen how much our finances have improved in the last 5 years.

Arsenal had the same problem in the 2000's. You might argue that leaving Highbury cost them another legit shot at a title there-and-then but they had no choice in the long-term.

Anfield's capacity was always 10k more than WHL or Highbury, plus we have found cheap ways to expand.

[poopscoop]

Updated info here too...

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/anfieldroadexpansion/proposals

Seems to rule our installing rail seating. Not sure if the design is inline with current regs for that so it would be a simple swap in the future though.

Think it's best to keep our powder dry on that one. Let the Annie Road be all seater and keep rail seating for the next big lobbying job for fans - getting the Kop done as the most imposing end in world football ;¬)

[pguyo]

Whats holding up the roof. I don't see any truss in the images like there was in the Outline planning. I'm sure these images are just indicative.

[redgriffin73]

Despite that photo I still think the away end will be 3k all in the lower as just as we see now. That line of segregation there in the upper has got to be what...250 to 300 seats? Segregation that would not be required if away fans were all in the lower and can be sold to our fans instead.

I thought we were going to move the away fans to the other side of the stand.

[pazcom]

Whats holding up the roof. I don't see any truss in the images like there was in the Outline planning. I'm sure these images are just indicative.

Was thinking the same thing. Wondered if becasue its a smaller scale than the main stand then it wouldn't need a truss?

[Indomitable_Carp]

Yeah. Enlarging the Sir Kenny stand on its own would probably add 7-9k, but  I'm not sure you can add much to The Kop as a single tier to make the work financially viable. It would probably get a facelift to bring it in line with the rest of the stadium though.

And of course going bigger brings up the issue of transport infrastructure in the area, which is already creaking on match days.

Using some back of a fag-packet calculations regarding safe-standing, and assuming the increased capacity could pass planning permission in regards to transport etc, and the gradient of the stands is in line with regulations, and it is possible to add in extra entry points to the Kop without big structural reform etc (a lot of 'if's' basically!).

If it was a 1:1.5 ratio you could add 6,000 to a safe-standing Kop, plus 3,000 to a safe-standing Lower Anny - which would see the capacity reach near 70,000 without having to completely rebuild any more stands. That would be for non-Champions League games at least (although who knows - if the Premier League implemented safe standing alongside the Bundesliga, that might be the start of Champions League regulations eventually come into line as well. They finally got around to relaxing alcohol in stadiums afterall).

That would be 27,000 standing places in Anfield - not far off the old Kop.

[BaZ87]

There were some questions earlier in the thread regarding which properties around the ground the club own. The club have taken out a revolving credit facility with Natwest, possibly linked to the Anfield Road developement, which is secured against Anfield, the training ground and a load of properties around the ground and even what I assume is Klopp's home. You can see the list of properties on the charge document on companies house (pages 27-35) via the link below:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00035668/filing-history?page=1

[CraigDS]

There were some questions earlier in the thread regarding which properties around the ground the club own. The club have taken out a revolving credit facility with Natwest, possibly linked to the Anfield Road developement, which is secured against Anfield, the training ground and a load of properties around the ground and even what I assume is Klopp's home. You can see the list of properties on the charge document on companies house (pages 27-35) via the link below:

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00035668/filing-history?page=1

Pretty much all the stuff where the Main is now. They owned some before, and then some were bought just before construction.

[mickeydocs]

It's amazing that we are redeveloping and expanding the stadium while enjoying an amazing period on the pitch. Nothing to do now but admire FSG, Klopp, Gordon, Edwards et al.
Incredible to think how far we have come - and I will admit I had major doubts about FSG for a very long time. Their prudence used to annoy me as I felt we had to spend big to catch up. They have delivered on the promise of competing while spending within our means.
ARE looks amazing and I for one love the lack of symmetry. Anfield looks like a football stadium - despite Custis telling us it looked like lego.

[meady1981]

Hahahahahaha
You’re alright you Al

[DougLFC94]

I thought we were going to move the away fans to the other side of the stand.

Yes that very well could happen, but doesn't really change my point about segregation.

[TheMightyReds]

Actually I've come round to liking the two tier look that they have adopted here. Of course wait for final judgement on it with the proper renders and drawings but it looks quite good inside and out. I was worried it would look out of place.

To get to just over 61,000 seats with all the history of the stadium issues is a good achievement. We dodged a massive magnesium dosed bullet with that stadium in the park. 

Facilities have improved ten fold and fans seem to be loving the new Anfield look. 

To get to anything over this. Well no point discussing too much. It's a good 10 years away. But I'm sure they have a plan. You don't sit in a board room and say something is impossible, when you have millions sitting in the bank and revenue approaching £600M.

[Son of Spion]

Was thinking the same thing. Wondered if becasue its a smaller scale than the main stand then it wouldn't need a truss?

I've no clue about construction, so can anyone answer the question on how the roof of the new Road End will be supported?

Just thinking on your comment, Pazcom, I remembered that the Kop has a truss, yet that's a lot smaller than the new ARE will be.

[stoopid yank]

I've no clue about construction, so can anyone answer the question on how the roof of the new Road End will be supported?

Just thinking on your comment, Pazcom, I remembered that the Kop has a truss, yet that's a lot smaller than the new ARE will be.

Funny - was curious about this too. My guess is that it is an internal framework truss built between the roof cladding that is anchored into the main stand pillar, not sure where it would anchor on the SKD side. will be interesting to see.

[Son of Spion]

Funny - was curious about this too. My guess is that it is an internal framework truss built between the roof cladding that is anchored into the main stand pillar, not sure where it would anchor on the SKD side. will be interesting to see.

Yep, it will be interesting to see how it's done.

To be honest, I'd never even thought about it until the question was asked, but then it got me wondering, especially as all the other stands have trusses.

[Niru Red4ever]

Whats holding up the roof. I don't see any truss in the images like there was in the Outline planning. I'm sure these images are just indicative.

Maybe its designed to be afloat on vocal power. Works as a motivation too - if you're not loud enough the sky falls on your head.

[meady1981]

I for one can not wait to get our new airplane.

[Earl of Dingleberry]

I, for one, am glad that a proper traditional football stadium gets extended instead of building a new modern one. Those toilet seat-shaped new stadiums make me vomit and hysterically laugh at the same time!!!

[Keith Lard]

Man I love these pictures on pg 14 of this thread!

[dstorey]

Man I love these pictures on pg 14 of this thread!

I'm surprised I've never seen anyone photoshop the last image to add a mirror of the main stand where the SKD stand is. I don't have the image editing skills, but I did a quick flip and paste, without any colour matching, and it looks kind of glorious. It looks a bit like a giant manta ray, floating over Stanley Park. The only photoshops I've seen is from before we announced the designs for the Anfield Road stand.

[meady1981]

I'm surprised I've never seen anyone photoshop the last image to add a mirror of the main stand where the SKD stand is. I don't have the image editing skills, but I did a quick flip and paste, without any colour matching, and it looks kind of glorious. It looks a bit like a giant manta ray, floating over Stanley Park. The only photoshops I've seen is from before we announced the designs for the Anfield Road stand.

Sorry for the slow reply, this took a while.

[dstorey]

Sorry for the slow reply, this took a while.

This is wonderful! Its tail is a giant mega Kop and diverted Walton Breck Road!

[Macred]

Standby for Action.... cue the klaxons...  I might be confusing Thunderbirds and Stingray...

[Eeyore]

Quickly
No cons for me as articulated so beautifully in this recent thread with its paeans to our wondrous Anfield home

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=344765.msg17049412#msg17049412

There are a few things Timbo. Firstly the atmosphere at aways tends to beat the atmosphere at run of the mill homes suggesting that the atmosphere is more dependant on those present rather than the bricks and mortar.

Secondly if we had moved home in the early 80's instead of having the decade long impasse trying to force out the Mason sisters to redevelop the Kemlyn then how many memories or special nights would we have created over the last four decades.

Thirdly have you ever moved house or do you live in the same house with all those special memories even if you have outgrown it.

I love Anfield especially on a big European night but there have been negatives not least the amount of revenue we have failed to generate over the last 40 years whilst battling with the Anfield community. 

[classycarra]

So the only negatives you can think of for Anfield are the opportunity cost of not moving grounds forty years ago and making better bank?

[TepidT2O]

I’ve started a new thread for the discussion of the pros and cons of a new build vs redevelopment.


Also discussion of the funding of spurs bond scheme can go in there.


Thanks all

[Alan_X]

Spurs, Arsenal and United stadium stuff moved to the other cake thread. This is for progress and updates on Anfield.

[Peter McGurk]

I'm surprised I've never seen anyone photoshop the last image to add a mirror of the main stand where the SKD stand is. I don't have the image editing skills, but I did a quick flip and paste, without any colour matching, and it looks kind of glorious. It looks a bit like a giant manta ray, floating over Stanley Park. The only photoshops I've seen is from before we announced the designs for the Anfield Road stand.

I did this during construction of the main stand but you get the idea:

[dstorey]

I did this during construction of the main stand but you get the idea:

It's missing the Anfield Road expansion :p

[newterp]

This will clearly be pushed for a long while.

[fowlermagic]

I dont see any extensions being done for a long time as we could (sorry will) be in the worse recession of our lives.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I dont see any extensions being done for a long time as we could (sorry will) be in the worse recession of our lives.

Could also argue that it is the perfect time to build it.

[TepidT2O]

Could also argue that it is the perfect time to build it.

We could lose hundreds of millions of pounds over the next couple of seasons..... there’s a huge risk even for a club of our size...

[CraigDS]

Could also argue that it is the perfect time to build it.

Agreed. I don't think the economy will necessarily stop it as should lower build costs, plus I don't think it is due to have many additional high priced tickets and will mainly be general tickets which you'd hope we'd have no problem selling.

[CraigDS]

We could lose hundreds of millions of pounds over the next couple of seasons..... there’s a huge risk even for a club of our size...

How so?

I can't see a situation where stadiums remain closed for a couple of seasons, even if so football wouldn't be cancelled and clubs should regain all their income minus from selling tickets.