Topic: Star Wars Universe lastest news

[Red Viper]

Was he ever really a villain though? Looked a lot meaner than his character portrays. After all he's just a simple man making his way in the universe.

He's absolutely set up as a villain in the OT.

[ianburns252]

Certainly when watching the OT back when I was young that was how I saw him.

When looking at it now, it seems more like he operates in the morally ambiguous middle ground where he is working what, in this universe, is a legitimate job and he is simply loyal to his contract.

He is in this series more of a tweener anyway - he is an honourable guy but would certainly not call him a good way. As the protagonist though I think he has been positioned as being "more good" than those he is up against, it is just that on the overall scale they are simply more devious/evil.

[PaulF]

He's absolutely set up as a villain in the OT.

As is Vader. Until pretty much the final scenes of Rotj. A lot of SW seems to be about blurring good and bad. Life isnt simple.

[voodoo ray]

all bounty hunters were set up as "bad guys"




anyway I really enjoyed this week's episode.

[Rob Dylan]

I think the idea is that the time he spends with the Tuskens changes him, and he becomes more about 'honour' and 'respect' than just being ruthless and out for himself.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Definitely seeing the Tusken Raiders in a new light

[kezzy]

Thought The Book of Boba Fett was no different to The Mandalorian.  Same settings and same story with the Tusken  raiders.  I really enjoyed The Mandalorian after the shite that was the sequels but they need some new ideas.

I take that back.  I thought the second episode was excellent.  My bad.  😀

[OsirisMVZ]

Yeah that was a great second ep. I love how comfortable the show is to have so many periods without dialogue.

[tubby]

Loved that second episode.

[AndyMuller]

I haven’t watched either yet but I’m wondering who is the better character Mando or Boba?

[CraigDS]

Enjoyed the first episode, but it didn't exactly grab me and make me want to instantly watch the second.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I haven’t watched either yet but I’m wondering who is the better character Mando or Boba?

Boba is the badass we all expect him to be.

[PaulF]

I haven’t watched either yet but I’m wondering who is the better character Mando or Boba?

I'm preferring Mando so far. But I think it will change.

[wampa1]

When Boba Fett was brought back in The Mandalorian I was hoping he was being brought in as a proper antagonist, full-on foil to Mando and an  absolute irredeemable bastard.

I wish they had done that.

[wampa1]

I haven’t watched either yet but I’m wondering who is the better character Mando or Boba?

The Mandalorian by a country mile.

[Riquende]

It's a slow burn so far. But the first 3 episodes of the Mandalorian were him walking around that desert planet and eventually winning an egg for some Jawas. It picked up. Besides, the early parts of pretty much all of Dave Filoni's Star Wars projects have had a lot of iffy moments and he's not yet failed to deliver.

Remember as well that this is just one piece in this new cross-linked Star Wars TV universe, that will probably see characters cross from Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ahsoka and the New Republic Rangers series. Exciting times ahead!

[thejbs]

It’s not bad so far. Only thing bugging me is shouldn’t Boba in the flashback scenes be in his 30s? Temuera Morrison Is too old now for the timeline.

[SP]

It’s not bad so far. Only thing bugging me is shouldn’t Boba in the flashback scenes be in his 30s? Temuera Morrison Is too old now for the timeline.

The Sarlacc Pit ages you.

[wampa1]

My head canon says the Kaminoans couldn't get it quite right so Boba still has a bit of the clones premature aging in him.

[voodoo ray]

The Sarlacc Pit ages you.

Fattens you up too.

[newterp]

Fattens you up too.

clearly ate stormtroopers to stay alive.

[lionel_messias]

The Sarlacc Pit ages you.

Like the Transfer forum, with similar amounts of digestive juice.

[PaulF]

Like the Transfer forum, with similar amounts of digestive juice.

I'd rather slowly digest for a thousand years than have to moderate the Transfer thread!

[Red Beret]

It’s not bad so far. Only thing bugging me is shouldn’t Boba in the flashback scenes be in his 30s? Temuera Morrison Is too old now for the timeline.

Temuera Morrison is 61. I think Boba Fett should be early to mid forties, depending how far after the series is set after his escape from the Sarlacc.

As others have said, it will be a combination of premature ageing, plus what he endured in the Sarlacc pit. And we only have to look at Obi-Wan to see what the harsh Tatooine environment does to you over 20 years or so.

[Rob Dylan]

Temuera Morrison is 61. I think Boba Fett should be early to mid forties, depending how far after the series is set after his escape from the Sarlacc.

As others have said, it will be a combination of premature ageing, plus what he endured in the Sarlacc pit. And we only have to look at Obi-Wan to see what the harsh Tatooine environment does to you over 20 years or so.

Looked it up and apparently he was 41 in ROTJ, and this series (other than the flashbacks) is set 5 years later.

[lobsterboy]

Rogue One is an odd one, it works for me but it isn't one I will tend to rewatch for some reason. The missed potential might mean that a rewatch of Solo will disappoint you, a lot of interesting elements won't get any payoff in the future since Solo didn't do well at the boxoffice.

I thought TFA was the ideal way to kick off that new trilogy, had a balance of the familiar while introducing the new people, but the lack of a coherent plan for that trilogy as a whole was completely inexcusable, you had the 2nd director seemingly having little interest in building on that starting point and then you had the mess of the third that tried to do too much in tying things up and retconning some of the 2nd film at the same time.

TFA seemed great on first watch then on the 2nd watch you have an Admiral Akbar moment. Things just got progressively worse with each next instalment of the sequel trilogy.
Oscar Isaac sums up the state of the last one near the start. Not sure he was acting or just expressing his feelings at the state of the script.

[lobsterboy]

Enjoyed the first couple of episodes although I had pretty low expectations.

Glad they showed him escaping from the sarlacc pit early because they couldn't just leave that up in the air and expect people to go along with it.

Think it's a bit silly and makes no sense that he's just suddenly a good guy now but I'm not bothered enough by that for it to ruin the show for me.

He isn't exactly a good guy though. He is taking over as a crime lord and demanding tribute (a protection racket)
Think he's supposed to be this bounty hunter/hired gun who has decided he is owed a seat at the top table. Possibly there is a redemption arc (via the Tusken raiders) but he has just robbed a train in the last episode and it wasn't even the Empires.

[Riquende]

TFA seemed great on first watch

The Force Awakens was an okay movie. I think if it had been followed up by two incredible sequels then it would be considered a worthy part of the canon... but I never found it greatin itself. I remember talking to a couple of casual SW fans in work afterwards and they couldn't get their heads round why I found it so lazy and underwhelming. I don't think you could make a more 'Star Wars by numbers' movie without going into the world of parody, except this time the whole thing feels like it's designed by commitee (a common sin with modern day big budget projects) rather than the original being the vision of one filmmaker.

I naturally rail against anything that makes the Star Wars setting feel smaller, and TFA made it feels positively tiny. Everything was just the same, a generation on. Rogue One gets brickbats from some quarters for including 'fan service' things from the original trilogy, but that just matches the setting. Here, the First Order are just the Empire still, in every conceivable way. They have fascist uniforms, fly around in Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and deploy Stormtroopers and Walkers. The Resistance are even worse, just a slightly reskinned Rebel Alliance. And personally, the worst thing of all was JJ's inability to comprehend how space works (also on display in Star Trek) gave me the impression the whole thing was taking place in a small box or snow globe.

The major crimes of the sequel trilogy take place in the second and third installments, but there's so little of interest about how the Force Awakens kicked the whole thing off in the first place.

[Riquende]

he has just robbed a train in the last episode and it wasn't even the Empires.

It was controlled by the Pyke Syndicate though (common antagonists in the animated shows), notorious spice smugglers. It wasn't just the 8:15 mail train to Mos Eisley.

[ScouserAtHeart]

TFA seemed great on first watch then on the 2nd watch you have an Admiral Akbar moment. Things just got progressively worse with each next instalment of the sequel trilogy.
Oscar Isaac sums up the state of the last one near the start. Not sure he was acting or just expressing his feelings at the state of the script.

[voodoo ray]

The Force Awakens was an okay movie. I think if it had been followed up by two incredible sequels then it would be considered a worthy part of the canon... but I never found it greatin itself. I remember talking to a couple of casual SW fans in work afterwards and they couldn't get their heads round why I found it so lazy and underwhelming. I don't think you could make a more 'Star Wars by numbers' movie without going into the world of parody, except this time the whole thing feels like it's designed by commitee (a common sin with modern day big budget projects) rather than the original being the vision of one filmmaker.

I naturally rail against anything that makes the Star Wars setting feel smaller, and TFA made it feels positively tiny. Everything was just the same, a generation on. Rogue One gets brickbats from some quarters for including 'fan service' things from the original trilogy, but that just matches the setting. Here, the First Order are just the Empire still, in every conceivable way. They have fascist uniforms, fly around in Star Destroyers and TIE Fighters and deploy Stormtroopers and Walkers. The Resistance are even worse, just a slightly reskinned Rebel Alliance. And personally, the worst thing of all was JJ's inability to comprehend how space works (also on display in Star Trek) gave me the impression the whole thing was taking place in a small box or snow globe.

The major crimes of the sequel trilogy take place in the second and third installments, but there's so little of interest about how the Force Awakens kicked the whole thing off in the first place.

that was the main fundamental issue I had with the whole thing, how it just recycled everything that had been done before.

because of that however I'm not really that arsed about criticising everything else, other than the stupid forced comedy in TLJ which I hated.

[PaulF]

Does anyone know who decided the death star would basically be a ball with the hollowed out bit?
Is that something Lucas would have dreamt up, or would it be left to others.
I guess, the same with walker, tie fighters, x-wings. Though their name gives the look away.

[Riquende]

Does anyone know who decided the death star would basically be a ball with the hollowed out bit?
Is that something Lucas would have dreamt up, or would it be left to others.

There are plenty of books and sources on all the design and production elements of the original trilogy. I do have quite a few, but they aren't at my current address to check. The broad answer for any of it is that the initial idea for a design could have come from a specific note in Lucas's script, or a sketch by someone like McQuarrie based on what it was supposed to do, or even someone involved in making the models (though this would be unlikely for the Death Star as the model was clearly made after the animation that shows the superlaser dish on the 'equator').

[PaulF]

Cheers riquende.

[Red Beret]

He isn't exactly a good guy though. He is taking over as a crime lord and demanding tribute (a protection racket)
Think he's supposed to be this bounty hunter/hired gun who has decided he is owed a seat at the top table. Possibly there is a redemption arc (via the Tusken raiders) but he has just robbed a train in the last episode and it wasn't even the Empires.

It's the fringe. A bit like the movie Unforgiven, there are no actual good guys. Just bad and downright bad.

This series, I think is charting the path on how Boba Fett's near death experience has changed him. A loner by nature, the flashbacks show him having to he's more than his armour. Tatooine is a corrupt and dangerous planet; it will be interesting to see Fett's concept of peace and order.

[oojason]

Does anyone know who decided the death star would basically be a ball with the hollowed out bit?
Is that something Lucas would have dreamt up, or would it be left to others.
I guess, the same with walker, tie fighters, x-wings. Though their name gives the look away.

It was Colin Cantwell who actually designed the Death Star - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe-9uh8XOyM (he really is a nice guy in real life too).

A longer read with multiple videos here - https://www.originalprop.com/blog/2014/11/13/colin-cantwell-video-interviews-star-wars-prototype-models-nasa


Colin Cantwell and Ralph McQuarrie both did many early designs - with the likes of Joe Johnston, Lorne Peterson, Phil Tippett adding to them and providing more designs later (with work also on the physical models too etc). Not forgetting contributions from the likes of John Stears, John Dykstra, Richard Edlund, Grant McCune, and Robert Blalack.

Special mention for John Mollo on the costumes - especially bringing the concept drawings to life. Another for Norman Reynolds and Roger Christian for the production set design & decoration - and also John Barry (who passed away during filming Empire). Ben Burtt for sounds, John Williams for score, the main editors, and so very many talented others too.

It really was lightning in a bottle.


This may be of some interest (I hope so, anyway) - https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Original-Trilogy-Film-Crew-and-People-Behind-The-Scenes-Profiles-Info-and-Links-/id/70290



If you're looking for any further info then these are likely worth a read too...

From the Desk of Charles Lippincott (RIP) - http://therealcharleslippincott.blogspot.com/ is well worth a look at.

As is 'The Secret History of Star Wars' book by Michael Kaminiski - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Secret-History-Star-Wars/dp/0978465237

plus his two sites here - http://fd.noneinc.com/savestarwarscom/savestarwars.info/index.html & http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/index.html

The three 'Making of' the Original Trilogy books by JW Rinzler are an insightful read too (with some quality images too).

[ScouserAtHeart]

Loved Episode 3

Hate that it's so short though, annoying.

[lionel_messias]

Loved Episode 3

Hate that it's so short though, annoying.

Has an actual UMM storyline started then?

[Red Viper]

Has an actual UMM storyline started then?

I think so, kinda.:unsureface:

[Red Viper]

Spoiler

I think this episode showed the problem with the Tuskins and the storytelling around them. I mean, it's just really hard to give a shit about an indistinguishable group who don't have names.

Boba goes back to the camp and sees that it's destroyed but it's completely unclear whether all the Tuskins are dead or just some of them. What's supposed to be an emotional moment that's going to drive the main character forward didn't work because I spent the whole time squinting at the screen trying to work out which Tuskins we see dead.

Also, they've gone too far with Boba being a goodie now to the extent where he's just a bit of pussy, let's be honest. Had his arse handed to him in every episode so far to the point where it's becoming a bit unbelievable that anyone would follow him or respect him as a "crime boss". This week he nearly get's assassinated (again) and then let's the assassin go with "no hard feelings".

I enjoyed some of this week. Good to see another Rancor and I liked the Gen-Z gang although their speeder bikes were some of the worst designed things I've seen in Star Wars. Felt very prequelly.

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