Topic: Labour Thread * No Gaza *

[bigbonedrawky]

Well there is absolutely no debate to be had there. Of course he would. The filthy Tory knobbing shithouse.




"uuuaaarrruughaaaaghhhhahahgurhghh!!"

That Owen Jones eh, warra c*nt saying what several posters in here spent a few years saying about not voting Labour...Haters gotta hate I guess.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That Owen Jones eh, warra c*nt saying what several posters in here spent a few years saying about not voting Labour...Haters gotta hate I guess.

I used to really like him. When he first appeared, he used to say a lot of good stuff, seemed a decent fella that was trying to make a difference.

Recently he comes across as a money-grabbing bellend to me. Talks nothing but shite thesedays.

I'm glad you love him though.

[bigbonedrawky]

I used to really like him. When he first appeared, he used to say a lot of good stuff, seemed a decent fella that was trying to make a difference.

Recently he comes across as a money-grabbing bellend to me. Talks nothing but shite thesedays.

I'm glad you love him though.

I really should't have to explain this to someone of your age Andy...
Life lesson: Just because a person doesn't hate someone. it doesn't mean they love them.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I really should't have to explain this to someone of your age Andy...
Life lesson: Just because a person doesn't hate someone. it doesn't mean they love them.

I don't hate him. He's an irrelevance.

Which is a shame, the 'left' could do with good people to help persuade the population that it would be a good thing to do - to spread the idea of socialism and to spread the idea that there are more options than the current system and a way to make things fairer.

Instead of that, he's gone down whatever path he's headed down.

I'd say we were a bit luckier in the 80s where there were a lot of people and a lot of content that made the idea of political fairness a mainstream idea and ideal - some used music, some used comedy and some used debate and information.

It's a darker, bleaker place where we are because it's seemingly not in vogue for that many people to be pushing that message.

That's why he annoys me, because I felt that in his earlier days, that was what he was attempting to do and he used to create content and ideas that were interesting and useful.

[TepidT2O]

A very left wing Adrian Durham. Don’t give him the clicks

[bigbonedrawky]

I don't hate him. He's an irrelevance.

Which is a shame, the 'left' could do with good people to help persuade the population that it would be a good thing to do - to spread the idea of socialism and to spread the idea that there are more options than the current system and a way to make things fairer.

Instead of that, he's gone down whatever path he's headed down.

I'd say we were a bit luckier in the 80s where there were a lot of people and a lot of content that made the idea of political fairness a mainstream idea and ideal - some used music, some used comedy and some used debate and information.

It's a darker, bleaker place where we are because it's seemingly not in vogue for that many people to be pushing that message.

That's why he annoys me, because I felt that in his earlier days, that was what he was attempting to do and he used to create content and ideas that were interesting and useful.

This is the post you should of posted instead Andy ... 

"A Darker and bleaker place" ...Be the change you want to see.

As for Jones 99% of what I've read about him has been on here...
Apparently he's an author and journalist for the Gaurdian and apart from quotes I can't remember reading his work. Right know hes talking of things which would lead to splitting TLP which will split the vote.
Which happens to be the same kind of thing several posters on here have called for in the past, while urging people to not vote Labour...

Something, something,  purity, not pure enough...Blah blah blah.
 
"He's an irrelevance" Clearly not, he's one of RAWKS whipping boys...A bit like Dianne Abbot.


 

[Kenny's Jacket]

A very left wing Adrian Durham. Don’t give him the clicks

If people say things that are untrue regarding Jones, it is likely others will respond.

[oldfordie]

If people say things that are untrue regarding Jones, it is likely others will respond.

If people say things that others think are untrue then you would think they are more likely to feel the need to respond.
I called Jones the Katie Hopkins of the left months ago for a reason, he says things controversial to get a reaction, to get noticed, the same applies to Katie Hopkins.
Jones earns a living from being a political commentator, he has far more competition these days. he's trying to keep himself relevant. the best thing to do is ignore him. it's the thing he dreads the most.

[TepidT2O]

If people say things that others think are untrue then you would think they are more likely to feel the need to respond.
I called Jones the Katie Hopkins of the left months ago for a reason, he says things controversial to get a reaction, to get noticed, the same applies to Katie Hopkins.
Jones earns a living from being a political commentator, he has far more competition these days. he's trying to keep himself relevant. the best thing to do is ignore him. it's the thing he dreads the most.

Nail, head.

[Dr. Beaker]

Nail, head.

Violence is never the answer.

[TepidT2O]

Violence is never the answer.

[Red Beret]

Violence is never the answer.

With caffeine and anger, all things are possible.

[RedDeadRejection]

Tories are utterly petrified of Angela Rayner. Snide thinly veiled classism in every right wing rag story about her.

A smart working class woman is something they can't compute

[Yorkykopite]

Tories are utterly petrified of Angela Rayner. Snide thinly veiled classism in every right wing rag story about her.

A smart working class woman is something they can't compute

Absolutely right.

They've always felt threatened by intelligent working-class people. In the past they counterposed their chauffeur or gardener to explain "what the working man is really thinking". In recent times they've relied on Lee Anderson, who is nothing more than a bigoted lumpen-proletarian thug. Angela Rayner though freaks them out. And she should do.

[oldfordie]

Tories are utterly petrified of Angela Rayner. Snide thinly veiled classism in every right wing rag story about her.

A smart working class woman is something they can't compute

It's the desperation to try and get voters to think they are all as bad as each other, we could all reel off many cases of Tory MPs fiddling, good luck trying to argue Angela Raynors just as bad as Nadhim Zahawi. both avoided paying tax.

 If true Raynor was liable for £1.5 thousand.
 Zahawi says he forgot to pay up to £3.7 mill in tax.
Both as bad as each other. hmm if your a dick head they are.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/21/nadim-zahawi-fights-for-his-political-life-after-admitting-tax-error
Zahawi faced scrutiny on a tranche of shares in YouGov, the polling company he co-founded, which were held by a Gibraltar company, Balshore Investments, and sold for about £27m between 2006 and 2018. It was estimated by the thinktank Tax Policy Associates he may have avoided £3.7m capital gains tax on the sale of these shares.

[west_london_red]

"He's an irrelevance" Clearly not, he's one of RAWKS whipping boys...A bit like Dianne Abbot.

Yes because being talked about on the politics section of a Liverpool supporter’s internet form obviously makes him relevant.

[killer-heels]

Labour have ruled out nationalising the water companies. However the question wasnt asked if Thames went to the wall whether they would keep it in public hands. Personally I think it would unforgivable if they did then privatise it.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Labour have ruled out nationalising the water companies. However the question wasnt asked if Thames went to the wall whether they would keep it in public hands. Personally I think it would unforgivable if they did then privatise it.

Would be an interesting one.. Never really occurred to me that if Labour took back a water company, spent the billions on it - that it needed to make everyones lives better and the the Tories get back in and sell it back to their mates.


Actually quite sickening.

[west_london_red]

Would be an interesting one.. Never really occurred to me that if Labour took back a water company, spent the billions on it - that it needed to make everyones lives better and the the Tories get back in and sell it back to their mates.


Actually quite sickening.

If it ends up being nationalised I can’t see it being privatised again anytime soon, it being nationalised alone proves beyond all doubt that privatisation has ultimately failed and it would be politically damaging (if not outright suicidal) to re-privatise it again and if they do try and privatise it again and I suspect there will be reluctance from a lot of potential buyers after the current disaster and inevitable scrutiny they will be under.

[9 kemlyn road]

If labour did nationalise it and brought back into shape ,then without a doubt the tories would sell it off in a heartbeat once they regained power in the future it’s what they do .their mates in the city etc would trample over each other to get a slice of the pie .
Running it as an essential service for the public doesn’t enter the equation for them ,it’s all about greed ,making money off their investment which would  be a minimal amount because everything they do sell off to their mates is sold for a song and they sit back with their feet up waiting for the cash to come rolling in.
Water is an essential service ,the most crucial  thing needed to sustain all life on this earth ,without it we’re done for and these lot are gladly poisoning our rivers ,seas with raw sewage and god knows what else .if they can’t be trusted to provide a first class water service then it should be taken back into the country’s care for our own protection ,it’s the least we deserve

[Riquende]

If labour did nationalise it and brought back into shape ,then without a doubt the tories would sell it off in a heartbeat once they regained power in the future it’s what they do

Offer a water re-nationalisation refererendum, it should pass and then watch as a future Tory PM has to justify how it's right to go against the "Will of the People".

[Dr. Beaker]

Offer a water re-nationalisation refererendum, it should pass and then watch as a future Tory PM has to justify how it's right to go against the "Will of the People".

[Yorkykopite]

That is an excellent idea.

[west_london_red]

Offer a water re-nationalisation refererendum, it should pass and then watch as a future Tory PM has to justify how it's right to go against the "Will of the People".

Bra-fucking-vo!

[killer-heels]

Its fucking mad how much bellyaching there has been about Labour’s private school plan. Now even the teachers unions are kicking off. Private schools have hiked up their fees for years but now Labour want to tax them and everyone is up in arms.

This is the bit where I wish i was a Labour spokes person because i would arrange a meeting with the union, with the press and with all the critics and tell them to go fuck off.

[Sangria]

Its fucking mad how much bellyaching there has been about Labour’s private school plan. Now even the teachers unions are kicking off. Private schools have hiked up their fees for years but now Labour want to tax them and everyone is up in arms.

This is the bit where I wish i was a Labour spokes person because i would arrange a meeting with the union, with the press and with all the critics and tell them to go fuck off.

What do you think would happen if Labour told the above to fuck off, as suggested?

[killer-heels]

What do you think would happen if Labour told the above to fuck off, as suggested?

That why im not in that business.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Its fucking mad how much bellyaching there has been about Labour’s private school plan. Now even the teachers unions are kicking off. Private schools have hiked up their fees for years but now Labour want to tax them and everyone is up in arms.

This is the bit where I wish i was a Labour spokes person because i would arrange a meeting with the union, with the press and with all the critics and tell them to go fuck off.

[John C]

Its fucking mad how much bellyaching there has been about Labour’s private school plan. Now even the teachers unions are kicking off. Private schools have hiked up their fees for years but now Labour want to tax them and everyone is up in arms.

This is the bit where I wish i was a Labour spokes person because i would arrange a meeting with the union, with the press and with all the critics and tell them to go fuck off.

You get my vote to be added to the Labour party's media team KH.

[west_london_red]

Its fucking mad how much bellyaching there has been about Labour’s private school plan. Now even the teachers unions are kicking off. Private schools have hiked up their fees for years but now Labour want to tax them and everyone is up in arms.

This is the bit where I wish i was a Labour spokes person because i would arrange a meeting with the union, with the press and with all the critics and tell them to go fuck off.

A non-affiliated union leader concerned some of his members might lose their jobs from a Labour Party policy isn’t “bellyaching”, it’s him doing the job his members pay him to do.

[TepidT2O]

A non-affiliated union leader concerned some of his members might lose their jobs from a Labour Party policy isn’t “bellyaching”, it’s him doing the job his members pay him to do.

Yes, it is. They represent all teachers not just those in state schools. Oddly, I find that those in private schools are often the most militant and likely to support Corbyn style politics. Which I find a bit wild.

[killer-heels]

A non-affiliated union leader concerned some of his members might lose their jobs from a Labour Party policy isn’t “bellyaching”, it’s him doing the job his members pay him to do.

Sound, he can fuck off. Did he moan about these private schools ramping their fees up?

Thats one policy i know Labour wont junk because thats the only money they have committed to spending.

[TepidT2O]

Sound, he can fuck off. Did he moan about these private schools ramping their fees up?

Thats one policy i know Labour wont junk because thats the only money they have committed to spending.

The non dom money too

[killer-heels]

The non dom money too

Been spent on NI reduction.

[west_london_red]

Sound, he can fuck off. Did he moan about these private schools ramping their fees up?

Thats one policy i know Labour wont junk because thats the only money they have committed to spending.

Why would he moan about private schools upping their fees exactly?

[killer-heels]

Why would he moan about private schools upping their fees exactly?

Fees causing pupils to leave and schools to close.

[west_london_red]

Fees causing pupils to leave and schools to close.

I’m guessing not many have upped their fees by close to 20% in one year and it’s generally been at a slower rate but that’s a guess on my part

[TepidT2O]

Fees causing pupils to leave and schools to close.

There will be some teaching redundancies (sorry, I meant efficiency savings).

A very small number of schools will close

[killer-heels]

There will be some teaching redundancies (sorry, I meant efficiency savings).

A very small number of schools will close

Unlucky.

[TepidT2O]

Unlucky.

They’d have closed any way. But no one wants to hear that. 
If private schools can’t make efficiency savings to absorb at least half of the VAT rise, then they’re fucking shit.  We shaved 4% off our budget for next year, it wasn’t that easy but certainly not life changing as a one off.  (I then found £285k down the back of the sofa so we’ve uncut the 4% again)

And no one can afford £15k but not £16.5k.  No one.