Topic: Doesn't matter who you vote for as long as it's for the right reasons!

[No666]

Yeah, it's a free country, and you have the freedom to call them out for having disgusting views.

These people tend, though, to view 'free speech' and being them able to spout hate without anyone being able to criticise or question what they are saying.


There is a deeper issue at the core of all this, though, that most people who criticise these people bury their heads about. There's a huge and growing section of society that has become disenfranchised by the current corporate-capitalist system with its patently unfair version of globalisation. Where once there were jobs-for-life on salaries that could buy a house and car, there are now minimum wage/agency/ZHC work in warehouses or in supermarkets. I'm not going to repeat what I've already spouted off about in other threads, but the failure of 'the left' has been an inability to offer a clear  vision of how they can improve the lives of the millions of people disenfranchised by corporate-capitalism.

This has allowed the right-wing to peddle their simplistic message of nationalism and blaming immigrants/the EU/lefties/benefits scroungers/etc. In the absence of believing any other group has 'got their back', they've turned to the right and embraced the hate.

And I don't think 'our side' using terms like 'gammon' is helpful if the aim is to reverse the polarisation of society and create common cause among the disenfranchised. Hope not hate and all that jazz.

[So… Howard Philips]

And I don't think 'our side' using terms like 'gammon' is helpful if the aim is to reverse the polarisation of society and create common cause among the disenfranchised. Hope not hate and all that jazz.

I'd agree with the 'gammon' bit. It's too easy to stereotype on appearance alone and for the unreconstructed it'll become a badge of honour.

[ljycb]

And I don't think 'our side' using terms like 'gammon' is helpful if the aim is to reverse the polarisation of society and create common cause among the disenfranchised. Hope not hate and all that jazz.

Even once ‘our side’ stops using terms like ‘gammon’, the polarisation of society will continue on without it. Don’t think it’s significant at all, just a term that people use for racists.

[killer-heels]

It probably hasnt had much cut through in general polling, but the Williamson fiasco and Dido Harding appointment has seriously pissed off the Tories, their members and hardcore voters.

[Nobby Reserve]

It probably hasnt had much cut through in general polling, but the Williamson fiasco and Dido Harding appointment has seriously pissed off the Tories, their members and hardcore voters.

I don't think much will cut through until after Brexit is formally delivered

[Elmo!]

That's a new record high, first time its hit 55%.

Ballot Box Scotland
@BallotBoxScot
New Scottish Independence Poll, Panelbase 12 - 18 Aug (changes vs 30 Jun - 3 Jul / vs 2014);

Yes - 51% (+1)
No - 42% (-1)
Don't Know - 7% (nc)

Excluding Don't Knows;
Yes - 55% (+1 / +10)
No - 45% (-1 / -10)

TBC whether any Parliamentary VI was part of same batch.

[killer-heels]

That's a new record high, first time its hit 55%.

Looking good really. Something to be positive about in the polls at least.

[Nobby Reserve]

Fucking state of this c*nt




https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/18/exams-gavin-williamson-and-the-lash-whip-photo-causes-twitter-intrigue

[Nobby Reserve]

First poll conducted after Monday's embarrassing u-turn:

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 40% (-4)
LAB: 38% (+3)
LDEM: 6% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+1)
BREX: 4% (+1)

via @YouGov, 18 - 19 Aug
Chgs. w/ 12 Aug

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) August 19, 2020

[Cpt_Reina]

Tweet from @britainelects: Preference for Prime Minister:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson: 43%
Keir Starmer: 30%

via @SavantaComRes, 14 - 16 Aug

[Elmo!]

Tweet from @britainelects: Preference for Prime Minister:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson: 43%
Keir Starmer: 30%

via @SavantaComRes, 14 - 16 Aug

Ah you managed to find a suitable poll to post after you declared on Twitter that you were only going to post polls that showed Starmer in a bad light on RAWK. 

[PatriotScouser]

Tweet from @britainelects: Preference for Prime Minister:

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson: 43%
Keir Starmer: 30%

via @SavantaComRes, 14 - 16 Aug

Preference for Prime Minister:

Keir Starmer: 35% (+3)
Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson: 31% (-1)

via
@YouGov
, 18 - 19 Aug

[Welshred]

Ah you managed to find a suitable poll to post after you declared on Twitter that you were only going to post polls that showed Starmer in a bad light on RAWK. 

That's what's been happening for a while though. You know it's going to be something in a negative light to Starmar when certain people post in there.

[Elmo!]

That's what's been happening for a while though. You know it's going to be something in a negative light to Starmar when certain people post in there.

I'm guilty of selectively posting polls as well, but Cpt Reina literally tweeted that was going to be his only contribution to RAWK from now on...

[killer-heels]

The Starmer polls are useless. We are years away from an election.

[Sangria]

I'm guilty of selectively posting polls as well, but Cpt Reina literally tweeted that was going to be his only contribution to RAWK from now on...

Any links? I've looked on twitter, but @Cpt_Reina is a broken link.

[Elmo!]

Any links? I've looked on twitter, but @Cpt_Reina is a broken link.

It was a while back and not sure I can find it or be bothered... I remember chuckling at the time reading it and mulling over whether I would point it out next time he posted one. 

[12C]

Fucking state of this c*nt




https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/18/exams-gavin-williamson-and-the-lash-whip-photo-causes-twitter-intrigue

A few people (even MPs) have Pointed to the whip and the red book on his desk as being a pointed choice of ornamentation.

He was a chief whip. He knows all the sordid scandalous things about the Tories. He knows who the sex pests are, the corrupt and the venal. He has a book of secrets. When one considers how shit he is at being a minister, how gaffe prone his career has become, he must have some dirt they are afraid will be released for them to be keeping him inside the tent pissing out.

[So… Howard Philips]

A few people (even MPs) have Pointed to the whip and the red book on his desk as being a pointed choice of ornamentation.

He was a chief whip. He knows all the sordid scandalous things about the Tories. He knows who the sex pests are, the corrupt and the venal. He has a book of secrets. When one considers how shit he is at being a minister, how gaffe prone his career has become, he must have some dirt they are afraid will be released for them to be keeping him inside the tent pissing out.

I'm surprised he hasn't stuffed his now deceased tarantula and placed that on top of the red book.

[Snail]

I see Robbie Gibb - former head of BBC Westminster, former director of communications for the government - is having a pop at Lewis Goodall over his apparent "impartiality" (i.e. Lewis Goodall is the one remaining BBC journalist with a conscience and must be stopped).

https://twitter.com/RobbieGibb/status/1296355048230981632?s=20

[No666]

On the other hand, both The Telegraph and The Mail have been sniping at Boris over the past week. Rumours of up to 40 Tory MPs prepared to rebel on certain issues, which is why Boris has been performing more reversals than a cockroach caught in an S bend.

[So… Howard Philips]

On the other hand, both The Telegraph and The Mail have been sniping at Boris over the past week. Rumours of up to 40 Tory MPs prepared to rebel on certain issues, which is why Boris has been performing more reversals than a cockroach caught in an S bend.

The Mail in particular seems to be on the Government's case and the more traditional Tories like Tim Montgomery don't have a good word to say about Johnson.

I think some of them have either never been keen on him or have slowly realised he's  a cretin who's appointed a lobotomised Cabinet of no marks.

[12C]

The Mail in particular seems to be on the Government's case and the more traditional Tories like Tim Montgomery don't have a good word to say about Johnson.

I think some of them have either never been keen on him or have slowly realised he's  a cretin who's appointed a lobotomised Cabinet of no marks.

He, like Thatcher, was promoted to do a job.
Like Thatcher, once that job is done, he will be quietly dropped and moved into the House of Lords where he will make the odd appearance such as the opening of parliament.
His job was to bulldoze Brexit through. He has brought a shower of talentless gobshites with him and Cummings does all the work for him whilst he is off Skiving like the lazy fucker he has always been.

Anyone who thinks he is camping in a bell tent in Scotland (as per that paper front page), at the height of midge season, with his girlfriend and a baby is a bloody idiot.
Even the photo of him in the woolly hat is probably old, given he is on a diet.
He is on holiday alright, he has been on one since he was elected.

[The Gulleysucker]

The Mail in particular seems to be on the Government's case and the more traditional Tories like Tim Montgomery don't have a good word to say about Johnson.

I think some of them have either never been keen on him or have slowly realised he's  a cretin who's appointed a lobotomised Cabinet of no marks.

Despite appearances from the online version and its bar of shame full of photos of women accompanied with words like pert, bikini body and such, the archtypical Tory reader of the Mail is probably quite prudish as far as other people having extra marital affairs are concerned so I think Johnson has never been particularly liked in some circles largely for his recidivist behaviour in that area and the alleged consequences of past dalliances.

[TSC]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/20/government-spends-56m-on-consultants-to-help-with-coronavirus

Contracts given to big firms include £14,000 a day to create replacement for Public Health England

Whitehall departments have spent more than £56m on consultancy firms to help deal with the coronavirus pandemic, mostly without giving other companies the chance to compete for the work, the Guardian and openDemocracy can reveal.

[The Gulleysucker]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/20/government-spends-56m-on-consultants-to-help-with-coronavirus

Contracts given to big firms include £14,000 a day to create replacement for Public Health England

Whitehall departments have spent more than £56m on consultancy firms to help deal with the coronavirus pandemic, mostly without giving other companies the chance to compete for the work, the Guardian and openDemocracy can reveal.

You can't help but wonder how many of those firms perhaps have directors or shareholders that include current Tory MP's or their relatives.

This crisis, in conjunction with this inept and possibly venal and very self serving Government, appears to perhaps be allowing a gangster economy to thrive hidden deep within the Covid umbra.

[12C]

You can't help but wonder how many of those firms perhaps have directors or shareholders that include current Tory MP's or their relatives.

This crisis, in conjunction with this inept and possibly venal and very self serving Government, appears to perhaps be allowing a gangster economy to thrive hidden deep within the Covid umbra.

Cummings spent enough time in Russia to observe the kleptocracy that has looted the wealth of a much bigger nation than ours

[The Gulleysucker]

Cummings spent enough time in Russia to observe the kleptocracy that has looted the wealth of a much bigger nation than ours

Has it ever been established what exactly he was up to when he worked in Russia?

Together with the apparent close relationship Johnson has had with various oligarchs, it really does have a bit of a whiff about it all.

Perhaps the reason is that simple, it's largely about a rearrangement of lucrative portions of the system to allow a similar criminal looting and accruing of obscene wealth by a select few to occur here, and it's happening in plain sight.

[No666]

The only silver lining is that by the time this lot are finished, we'll have seen the back end of the Tories for a decade.

[Sangria]

The only silver lining is that by the time this lot are finished, we'll have seen the back end of the Tories for a decade.

Are you sure? Labour can't be trusted with the economy. Labour government has only ever been bad for the country. That's what the right are telling us. That's what the left are telling us.

[TSC]

You can't help but wonder how many of those firms perhaps have directors or shareholders that include current Tory MP's or their relatives.

This crisis, in conjunction with this inept and possibly venal and very self serving Government, appears to perhaps be allowing a gangster economy to thrive hidden deep within the Covid umbra.

Tip of the iceberg that value wise.  High value contracts obviously dished out of course re PPE, testing, etc, to a variety of firms.  Number of legal challenges ongoing but these may come to nowt with a no deal brexit.

[So… Howard Philips]

Cummings spent enough time in Russia to observe the kleptocracy that has looted the wealth of a much bigger nation than ours

To quote Robbie Williams;

"It takes a certain kind of man
with a certain kind of reputation
to alleviate the cash
from a whole entire nation"

[TSC]

Has it ever been established what exactly he was up to when he worked in Russia?

Any detail available via internet searches is very sparse and vague.  Maybe professional investigative journo’s will delve into background at some stage.

[The Gulleysucker]

Any detail available via internet searches is very sparse and vague.  Maybe professional investigative journo’s will delve into background at some stage.

Yes, it's almost as if it's been well hidden or perhaps sanitized by now.

I think it may prove difficult to ever get to the bottom of it though and suspicions will always remain.

Now it may well be as innocent an explanation that he simply wanted to study Checkov performances.

But if you are State actors seriously and professionally planning disruptive things in another country, you would try and make quite sure plausible deniability was very strong in a similar way to SOE amongst others issuing weapons to some assassination agents back in WW2 that deliberately had no identification marks of origin on them.

[No666]

Are you sure? Labour can't be trusted with the economy. Labour government has only ever been bad for the country. That's what the right are telling us. That's what the left are telling us.

I think the right wing press are having difficulty with Sunak's rescue packages so I don't think they particularly like the Tories recipe for the economy atm.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Cummings spent enough time in Russia to observe the kleptocracy that has looted the wealth of a much bigger nation than ours

I fear that it goes deeper, much deeper than that. Cummings should be let nowhere near the leavers of power.

[TepidT2O]

Where do we start?

[Circa1892]

Where do we start?

Shittest MP being put up for an award from one of the worlds shittest firms. Victory all round.

[bigbonedrawky]

I fear that it goes deeper, much deeper than that. Cummings should be let nowhere near the leavers of power.

I have a theory that him and a few other Tories have been conspiring with the Russians for over a decade...

[Jiminy Cricket]

I have a theory that him and a few other Tories have been conspiring with the Russians for over a decade...

Not sure about other Torys. But I think Cummings and Milne are peas in the same pod.