Topic: VAR! Video Assistant Referee & Shite Referees in General

[Hazell]

Liverpool v Brighton
Ref - David Coote
VAR - Paul Tierney

Proper trolling us at this stage

Looking forward to seeing a decision as bad as the one in the reverse fixture, where their player didn't get sent off for denial of a goalscoring opportunity for pulling back Szoboszlai in the box. Think thr excuse was he was going away from goal.

[Timbo's Goals]

Well, I've said my four pennyworth now. Absolutely no point in trying to reason any further on the subject. The closed minds render it futile. Let's just hope and pray that the points we've very likely been denied - which by my reckoning could be as many as 5 or even 7 with the three crucial incidents I've cited - will not cost us the league title we so crave. 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Well, I've said my four pennyworth now. Absolutely no point in trying to reason any further on the subject. The closed minds render it futile. Let's just hope and pray that the points we've very likely been denied - which by my reckoning could be as many as 8 with the three crucial incidents I've cited - will not cost us the league title we so crave. 

Mate, if I have no cause to moan for the rest of the season then I'll be made up.

All I want and all I've ever wanted is to go to games of football, or watch it on the telly and not even notice the ref.

I'd like to - post-match - be talking about the game for once.

Let's hope and fingers crossed that somehow PGMOL can manage a few games without 'making mistakes' in them which shaft us up the arse.


Not holding out much hope. But surely it's not too much to ask for?



After pretty much everyone saying Tierney is a bent c*nt - even blues and Mancs I know are saying it now - he'll probably give us five pennos and send two of theirs off on Sunday.

[Timbo's Goals]

Mate, if I have no cause to moan for the rest of the season then I'll be made up.

All I want and all I've ever wanted is to go to games of football, or watch it on the telly and not even notice the ref.

I'd like to - post-match - be talking about the game for once.

Let's hope and fingers crossed that somehow PGMOL can manage a few games without 'making mistakes' in them which shaft us up the arse.


Not holding out much hope. But surely it's not too much to ask for?



After pretty much everyone saying Tierney is a bent c*nt - even blues and Mancs I know are saying it now - he'll probably give us five pennos and send two of theirs off on Sunday.

Same here Andy lad.  But just can't be arsed on here with this thread. Folks not properly reading what youve posted and a seeming determination to resist the bleeding obvious is baffling. As you say even Blues I know can see it so why fellow Reds on here can't is way beyond me. Fear of being branded a conspiracy theorist? Possibly. But I'm out any road mate.

[Yorkykopite]

Mate, if I have no cause to moan for the rest of the season then I'll be made up.

No you won't Andy! According to your own theory - stated a couple of days ago - if you have no cause to moan it will be because Liverpool have fallen out of the Title race and PGMOL have issued a directive saying "give them something now so that people don't start asking hard questions."

And Timbo mate, you're one of our best posters, but just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they have "closed minds". Bloody 'ell!

[Andy @ Allerton!]

No you won't Andy! According to your own theory - stated a couple of days ago - if you have no cause to moan it will be because Liverpool have fallen out of the Title race and PGMOL have issued a directive saying "give them something now so that people don't start asking hard questions."

And Timbo mate, you're one of our best posters, but just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they have "closed minds". Bloody 'ell!

Yeah. I will. I go to the game. I want to watch a game of football without going to the pub after with my mates and us looking in bewilderment after bullshit decision after bullshit decision.

If I'm watching at home, I want to watch a good game of football won by the best team with no controversy, no talking points, just a good old game of football where the best team wins. No shady sendings off, no fucking ridiculous pennos, no skewing of stats and figures. A game officiated competently and well.

That there are barely any games played in the league ever that are officiated well speaks for itself. VAR should have made mistakes all but disappear, but all it has done is to highlight the strange, bizarre and wonderful randomness of PGMOL at every turn.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

No you won't Andy! According to your own theory - stated a couple of days ago - if you have no cause to moan it will be because Liverpool have fallen out of the Title race and PGMOL have issued a directive saying "give them something now so that people don't start asking hard questions."

And Timbo mate, you're one of our best posters, but just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they have "closed minds". Bloody 'ell!

"They both went in high"

[JRed]

"They both went in high"

That’s what gets me, the lies to try and cover it up. The most bizarre thing about it is how they keep getting away with it.

[Zimagic]

I still think Mac was lucky to escape a red there for creating a situation where he put a player (himself) in danger.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I still think Mac was lucky to escape a red there for creating a situation where he put a player (himself) in danger.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

That’s what gets me, the lies to try and cover it up. The most bizarre thing about it is how they keep getting away with it.

I've asked seven or eight times for people to explain this.

No luck so far. I'm sure that one will reply one day. From now on I'm going to just keep posting this at them til they talk me through it.

We've got the audio, we've got the video, we've got the photographs. We've got the match footage. We've got the Ref, VAR and the PGMOL top guy and we've got the pundits.

All recorded. All available for perusal.

This isn't the whole story. Once someone has explained this away in a rational way, then I have quite a few others they can talk us through.


They both went in high.One with his foot at chest height. One with both feet on the floor.

[gazzalfc]

If anyone fancies a laugh

Nottingham Forest first-team coach Steven Reid to  Paul Tierney

"Following the final whistle I was surrounded by members of Nottingham Forest’s substitutes and backroom staff on the field of play. One of those who approached me was Steven Reid. He asked me about a decision and I said to him that I will speak to him inside and not outside on the field of play.

"He then continued to question me and I repeated that I would speak to him inside. He then said 'it’s the same every week, you c***'. I showed him the red card and then he said 'I worked with you f***ing lot every f***ing week last season, it’s the same every f***ing week you c***”. He then continued to use the word f*** and called me a c*** on at least one more occasions (making that a minimum of three in total) as we were making our way off the field of play."

[Barneylfc∗]

If anyone fancies a laugh

Nottingham Forest first-team coach Steven Reid to  Paul Tierney

"Following the final whistle I was surrounded by members of Nottingham Forest’s substitutes and backroom staff on the field of play. One of those who approached me was Steven Reid. He asked me about a decision and I said to him that I will speak to him inside and not outside on the field of play.

"He then continued to question me and I repeated that I would speak to him inside. He then said 'it’s the same every week, you c***'. I showed him the red card and then he said 'I worked with you f***ing lot every f***ing week last season, it’s the same every f***ing week you c***”. He then continued to use the word f*** and called me a c*** on at least one more occasions (making that a minimum of three in total) as we were making our way off the field of play."

He's not wrong 

[rob1966]

If anyone fancies a laugh

Nottingham Forest first-team coach Steven Reid to  Paul Tierney

"Following the final whistle I was surrounded by members of Nottingham Forest’s substitutes and backroom staff on the field of play. One of those who approached me was Steven Reid. He asked me about a decision and I said to him that I will speak to him inside and not outside on the field of play.

"He then continued to question me and I repeated that I would speak to him inside. He then said 'it’s the same every week, you c***'. I showed him the red card and then he said 'I worked with you f***ing lot every f***ing week last season, it’s the same every f***ing week you c***”. He then continued to use the word f*** and called me a c*** on at least one more occasions (making that a minimum of three in total) as we were making our way off the field of play."

Tierney should have replied "it was 2 fucking minutes you c*nt, sort your shite defending out before you blame others - how many chances did you have to clear it?"

[Barneylfc∗]

"They both went in high"

I'm firmly on the side of there's definitely something dodgy going on, but just for balance, this was given as a free kick to us 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I'm firmly on the side of there's definitely something dodgy going on, but just for balance, this was given as a free kick to us 

Deffo free kick to United there.

Wasn't the only thing the ref fucked up in that game. Also Fernandes and that other dickhead should have got sent off.

Bizarre decisions all over the place.

[Black Bull Nova]

I still think Mac was lucky to escape a red there for creating a situation where he put a player (himself) in danger.

He could have bent Doku's studs there

[Yorkykopite]

Deffo free kick to United there.

Wasn't the only thing the ref fucked up in that game. Also Fernandes and that other dickhead should have got sent off.

Bizarre decisions all over the place.

The emphasis being on "all over the place". A reign of incompetence amongst the referees. Who'd have thought?

And when they're 'found out' - whether by us, or Wolves supporters, or Man United supporters, or whoever - they tend to close ranks and protect themselves. They harbour a huge bias towards their own kind and it makes them defend the most ridiculous mistakes.

It's why VAR should be run by an independent group. A group that doesn't refer to the on-field referee as "mate".

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The emphasis being on "all over the place". A reign of incompetence amongst the referees. Who'd have thought?

And when they're 'found out' - whether by us, or Wolves supporters, or Man United supporters, or whoever - they tend to close ranks and protect themselves. They harbour a huge bias towards their own kind and it makes them defend the most ridiculous mistakes.

It's why VAR should be run by an independent group. A group that doesn't refer to the on-field referee as "mate".

We can agree on that. I've said for years that their main problem is how absolutely unprofessional they are.

[Yorkykopite]

And when they retire they are invited on to TV to judge their former colleagues. That leads to further evasion and obfuscation. It's not directed especially at Liverpool. It's directed towards protecting their "mates".

Incidentally, you get the same thing with football pundits. A player who has recently retired from the game will always make a bad pundit. He will not criticise a former teammate.

[BoRed]

I'm firmly on the side of there's definitely something dodgy going on, but just for balance, this was given as a free kick to us 

But it wasn't reviewed by VAR, it wasn't game-changing, and Howard Webb didn't go on TV to defend it as a correct decision.

[Barneylfc∗]

But it wasn't reviewed by VAR, it wasn't game-changing, and Howard Webb didn't go on TV to defend it as a correct decision.

It'll no doubt be used to argue "these things even themselves out over the season" despite the fact they're 2 very different incidents.

[Yorkykopite]

It'll no doubt be used to argue "these things even themselves out over the season" despite the fact they're 2 very different incidents.

I don't think that's the moral of the story at all - and I haven't heard anyone suggest it is until now.

The moral - if there is one - lies elsewhere. It is that this type of 'high foul' does not always result in a free kick to the man who uses his chest rather than his boot to control the ball. Indeed Maguire seems to have been penalised for going in 'high' with his chest in our last match and a free kick was awarded to Liverpool.

Personally I thought when it happened it was probably a free kick to Man United not us, just as I felt it was a penalty to us against Man City rather than 'play on'. The point is not that the two incidents 'even themselves out'. They clearly don't. A last-minute penalty is a hundred times more precious than an innocuous free kick. The point is that such incidents do not 'speak for themselves' and do not carry an automatic tariff against the footballer who raises his foot.

[farawayred]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but Forest were fined and a coach is banned for a rant at Tierney. In his report, Tierney wrote that the coach called him a "c*nt" at least three times:
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/03/every-fing-week-fa-bans-forest-coach-for-furious-rant-after-liverpool-winner/

From now on, I will refer to him as "3cunt Tierney". I hope he doesn't come near our games anymore (I know he has VAR duties the next one).

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but Forest were fined and a coach is banned for a rant at Tierney. In his report, Tierney wrote that the coach called him a "c*nt" at least three times:
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/03/every-fing-week-fa-bans-forest-coach-for-furious-rant-after-liverpool-winner/

From now on, I will refer to him as "3cunt Tierney". I hope he doesn't come near our games anymore (I know he has VAR duties the next one).

Got to be a chant from that Kop that

"3 c*nt Tierney" to the tune of "Nice one Cyril"

[Barneylfc∗]

Got to be a chant from that Kop that

"3 c*nt Tierney" to the tune of "Nice one Cyril"

 

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I don't know if it was mentioned, but Forest were fined and a coach is banned for a rant at Tierney. In his report, Tierney wrote that the coach called him a "c*nt" at least three times:
https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/03/every-fing-week-fa-bans-forest-coach-for-furious-rant-after-liverpool-winner/

From now on, I will refer to him as "3cunt Tierney". I hope he doesn't come near our games anymore (I know he has VAR duties the next one).

I approve of this.

I once got a 2 game ban for calling myself a c*nt 

[Peabee]

I approve of this.

I once got a 2 game ban for calling myself a c*nt 

I got kicked off a team for scoring a goal. I think it was the way I celebrated and had a go at our forwards along the lines of "that's how you score". But maybe I threw a "c*nt" in there too.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I got kicked off a team for scoring a goal. I think it was the way I celebrated and had a go at our forwards along the lines of "that's how you score". But maybe I threw a "c*nt" in there too.

Was Tierney OK after he picked himself up

[rob1966]

John Brooks was on SSN before, only caught a bit but he said something about giving the right decision and good process. Is that their new phrase now?

[Peabee]

Was Tierney OK after he picked himself up

Some of those Sunday league refs would do a better job than Tierney.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Some of those Sunday league refs would do a better job than Tierney.

That's the thing which I find mind boggling - that in a game that requires ultimate fitness, you have a bunch of 50 year old fat bastards shuffling about, getting most major decisions wrong.

Surely in a Nation as big as the UK and given all the training and all the officials - there must be SOMEONE better than these chumps?

I've had someone say to me "You have a go at refs and linos, but would you be any good at it"

No. Of course I fucking wouldn't I'm heading towards 60, I'm a fat get and I don't know the rules of the game well enough to be a good official at any level, never mind the Premier League.

But that's not my job. I know my limitations. I'd be fucking shite at it. But so are these dickheads.

I'm happy to go along with the idea that they are shite, don't know the rules of the game, aren't fit enough, aren't accountable because their organisation doesn't give a shiny shite about their performance and that they are overall pretty useless.

The question is WHY are they officiating at the top level if they aren't any good at it? They are professional and paid  a fortune. They are hopeless and sadly there are no indications that there is anything happening behind the scenes to correct this, train them better, learn from their mistakes or even have competition for their places.

I'd like to see a league system where the referees can get promoted and relegated down to the conference and make it so that it's how good you are and not who you are mates with, which I'm told is the way it works now - and not from just one ex-ref I know.

[cdav]

https://twitter.com/EduardoHagn/status/1774103045237813458?t=pZfoLeEPYAetqkZTRxp6vQ&s=19

This is given as a penalty and a second yellow card this week, whereas kicking someone in the chest isn't

[JRed]

Could someone please explain to me how Saudi got them two penalties today, yet we didn’t get the one where Doku kicked Mac Allister in the chest? I don’t get it.

[farawayred]

Could someone please explain to me how Saudi got them two penalties today, yet we didn’t get the one where Doku kicked Mac Allister in the chest? I don’t get it.

Their first one could have been called either way, but the second was never a penalty. "Clever play" from the attacker, as the pundits put it.

[GreatEx]

If they'd given it, it would have been the correct call.
If they hadn't given it, it would have been the correct call.
Good process, boys.

[JRed]

Fuckinghell, just saw the Chelsea one too, that’s even worse!

[thaddeus]

Could someone please explain to me how Saudi got them two penalties today, yet we didn’t get the one where Doku kicked Mac Allister in the chest? I don’t get it.

Radio 5 pundits were discussing it.  Ellen White said it was clever play and Pat Nevin said it was cheating and if anything the second one was a West Ham free-kick.  It's come to something when Nevin is the pundit I most agree with.

The Chelsea penalty was another great example of the officials doubling down on a bad decision.  Would they have had to rescind the red card if they'd changed their mind on the penalty?

[KissThisGuy]

The Newcastle one is baffling. The VAR mustve thought it was an obvious error . It's a free out if anything.

[Eeyore]

I don't think that's the moral of the story at all - and I haven't heard anyone suggest it is until now.

The moral - if there is one - lies elsewhere. It is that this type of 'high foul' does not always result in a free kick to the man who uses his chest rather than his boot to control the ball. Indeed Maguire seems to have been penalised for going in 'high' with his chest in our last match and a free kick was awarded to Liverpool.

Personally I thought when it happened it was probably a free kick to Man United not us, just as I felt it was a penalty to us against Man City rather than 'play on'. The point is not that the two incidents 'even themselves out'. They clearly don't. A last-minute penalty is a hundred times more precious than an innocuous free kick. The point is that such incidents do not 'speak for themselves' and do not carry an automatic tariff against the footballer who raises his foot.

No, the huge difference is that the Maguire incident was a subjective call that the referee got wrong. It didn't result in a possible penalty and wasn't reviewed. Trying to equate the incidents is just false equivalence.

The Doku incident is both a possible penalty and a possible red card. It wasn't a case of a referee not seeing an incident and making a mistake in real-time. Attwell and the AVAR had the benefit of multiple angles, multiple replays and slow-motion. The most damning thing is that with all of those tools at their disposal, they got everything wrong.

Attwell stated that both players came in high, he stated that Doku played the ball and then Macca then came into his space. Webb stated that the ball was too low for Doku to head. How could both players come in high but it be too low for Doku to head. Webb stated that Macca didn't really attempt to play the ball either. Macca won the ball FFS.

That was the best they could come up with multiple replays, multiple angles, slow motion and in Webb's case a week to come up with a case for the defence. Good Process.