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« Reply #5160 on: December 5, 2018, 08:15:33 am »
RIP Doctor Who !!!

While in last Sunday's episode there were some decent moving scenes with Bradley Walsh, for most of it I was watching it thinking WTF !!! The scenes in the anti-zone with the killer moths looked like something from Doctor Who in the late 1980's and as for the talking frog, once again WTF !!!

Jodie Whittaker is getting more and more irritating as the Doctor, there are too many companions and the writing is truely awful.

So in my opinion they need to get rid of Chris Chibball, Jodie Whittaker, Tosin Cole and most of the writers. Not much then.....

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« Reply #5161 on: December 5, 2018, 08:33:42 am »
Glimpsed some of it the other day and I'm sorry, but I'm totally disinterested in it now and have no desire to bother to tune into it again.

I sympathise with the view of the Mash on it all.
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« Reply #5163 on: December 5, 2018, 05:22:52 pm »
I'm also seriously losing interest, it feels like a chore watching it. Not felt that since the end of the McCoy era.

The companions are weak imitations of previous ones, maybe because of the writing, maybe the acting. Walsh has been OK as the elder but he's no Bernard Cribbins or Mark Williams. Yas is no Amy, Bill or Rose. And give me Rory or even Micky over Ryan any day. There's no subtlety or humour in the characters. And very little backstory or character development.

They've painted themselves into a corner with Jodie Whittaker. After all the fanfare over the first female Doctor do they dare show the characters flaws and darker side? Make her sometimes an abrupt, unlikeable character like they've done with every male doctor since the reboot. Without that, she's just one-dimensional.

More than any of that, though, I hate the fact that there's no story arc. People complained about Moffat's convoluted and too-clever-for-their-own-good arcs but it kept people interested through the filler episodes. This series has nothing. It's going nowhere.
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« Reply #5164 on: December 9, 2018, 09:24:19 pm »
So..

After the new year's Day special, there will be no Doctor who til 2020

Jodie Whittaker, Bradley Walsh, Mandip Gill and Tosin Cole will all carry on along with showrunner Chris Chibnall.

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« Reply #5165 on: December 10, 2018, 12:01:14 am »
I've watched it pretty regularly since the Tennant days and certainly most Smith/Capaldi.

Jodie Whittaker has been absolutely fine, she's a perfectly likeable Doctor although (in the episodes I've seen) not much edge and seemingly not a great deal of depth or mystery to her role. Companions individually are fine but it's hard to care too much about any of them because there are too many and none are quite compelling enough.

Writing seems crap compared to previous series, the stories seem dull. Politically the series seems to have been unbelievably preachy too. Doctor Who as a show is great at making points about social issues but they seem to have gone into overdrive and dropped any pretence at parable or subtlety. The episode about Civil Rights and the one about the Partition were almost parody in their "right on"-ness.

The ratings are high which is great for the future of the show and maybe they're just looking for a different audience now. But I'm just not interested.



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« Reply #5166 on: December 10, 2018, 09:56:42 am »
I've watched it pretty regularly since the Tennant days and certainly most Smith/Capaldi.

Jodie Whittaker has been absolutely fine, she's a perfectly likeable Doctor although (in the episodes I've seen) not much edge and seemingly not a great deal of depth or mystery to her role. Companions individually are fine but it's hard to care too much about any of them because there are too many and none are quite compelling enough.

Writing seems crap compared to previous series, the stories seem dull. Politically the series seems to have been unbelievably preachy too. Doctor Who as a show is great at making points about social issues but they seem to have gone into overdrive and dropped any pretence at parable or subtlety. The episode about Civil Rights and the one about the Partition were almost parody in their "right on"-ness.

The ratings are high which is great for the future of the show and maybe they're just looking for a different audience now. But I'm just not interested.




That is pretty much how I see it.

I thought the series began with promise, all 4 of them had potential, but as the series has gone on this just hasn’t been realised. I think the writing/stories and lack of any real bads has been the biggest let down. It seems they are trying too hard to get moral messages through, and it’s blatant rather than being subtle or clever.

I don’t get any real sense of danger from the situations they end up in, and completely agree about the lack of subtlety in how they’ve portrayed/explained things at times.

It feels like it’s been aimed squarely at kids rather than being clever enough to appeal to all ages as it’s mostly managed in the past.

This is the first time I’ve ever found myself thinking about switching off or not bothering to watch a show I’ve followed since being a kid myself.

I hope that they use the year off to really sort out some proper stories and they need to trim down the team of companions. 50 min episodes mean there just isn’t time to give them enough to do to make them worthwhile characters.
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« Reply #5167 on: December 10, 2018, 10:13:58 am »
When she's doing her little monologues about how amazing wellies or whatever are, the Doctor sounds like the brilliant kid from the Fast Show.

I had no idea what was the end of the series, felt small in comparison to previous ones, and it's either the scripts or direction but something is very wrong with this season.  Pretty sure it's not Jodie but she's getting dragged down with it.
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« Reply #5168 on: December 10, 2018, 10:28:05 am »
Haven't really watched this season, I didn't have high hopes when Chibnall was appointed showrunner, so thought I would wait to see what the word of mouth was like.

Having read this thread and comments elsewhere I won't be bothering.

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« Reply #5169 on: December 10, 2018, 11:38:18 am »
Personally I think it's been much better than the Cipaldi era.  I wasn't a fan of him, I like Jodie in the role, I think she plays the character well and is my favourite since David Tennant
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« Reply #5170 on: December 10, 2018, 01:54:54 pm »
Whitaker is fine. There is clearly a decision to aim for a younger audience, make it all a bit simpler and push a strong message in each episode. Whether you enjoy that, as an adult, is going to come down to personal taste.

I do think it's a shame that this has meant the first female Doctor has ended up as the most milquetoast interpretation of the role, but that's down to the scripts rather than the actor.
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« Reply #5171 on: December 10, 2018, 02:02:04 pm »
I do think it's a shame that this has meant the first female Doctor has ended up as the most milquetoast interpretation of the role, but that's down to the scripts rather than the actor.

I thought this season has been decent and quite enjoyable overall. Like you say some issues are more due to the scripts - yet am looking forward to seeing season 2 now everyone is settled in (as it were) to what has been some pretty big overall changes for Who this season.

A shame we have to wait until 2020 though - any reasons given for that?
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« Reply #5172 on: December 10, 2018, 02:09:08 pm »
I thought this season has been decent and quite enjoyable overall. Like you say some issues are more due to the scripts - yet am looking forward to seeing season 2 now everyone is settled in (as it were) to what has been some pretty big overall changes for Who this season.

A shame we have to wait until 2020 though - any reasons given for that?

It's a production heavy show, and they are working with a new company for the visual effects. They seem to have just realised  and accepted that it is going to take longer to make. The new series is in production already.

Overall I have enjoyed it, but there are a lot of dangling plot threads that never went anywhere, and several episodes seemed to be a twist short of a real story, or ended up with a confusing message.
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« Reply #5173 on: December 10, 2018, 02:12:56 pm »
Can't argue with this.

 

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« Reply #5174 on: December 10, 2018, 02:13:30 pm »
Can't argue with this.

Wrong thread? Or you really don't like this series of Doctor Who?
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« Reply #5175 on: December 10, 2018, 02:20:16 pm »
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« Reply #5176 on: December 10, 2018, 02:21:45 pm »
Haha was wondering wtf was going on there.
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« Reply #5177 on: December 10, 2018, 05:26:23 pm »
That will teach me to have 2 RAWK threads open at once!!

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« Reply #5178 on: December 17, 2018, 01:41:49 pm »
Thought the last episode was ok. Wellies boots was a bit rubbish, but otherwise ok
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« Reply #5179 on: December 18, 2018, 10:07:44 pm »
I read that the ratings for the show were pretty decent. I'm pleased for the cast and writers, though personally I couldn't connect with the new Doctor at all, and felt that the idea of having so many companions simply didn't work.

But I didn't like Capaldi's Doctor either, so I have to accept that I have simply moved away from Doctor Who after watching for so very long. I like to think that the regenerations did indeed stop with Matt Smith, at least for me. I have the old shows to rewatch, and hope that a whole new generation discovers the wonderment that Doctor Who at its best can deliver.
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« Reply #5180 on: December 21, 2018, 09:41:52 am »
Struggling to get through every episode :/

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« Reply #5181 on: January 1, 2019, 08:46:49 pm »
Has to have been the worst ''Christmas'' special ever.
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« Reply #5182 on: January 1, 2019, 08:50:04 pm »
It’s the first one I’ve watched since Whittaker and Chibnall came in. Never again.

She has one facial expression for everything and the writing was gobbledygook. The actress playing the Dalek pilot was good, about all.
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« Reply #5183 on: January 1, 2019, 09:02:41 pm »
The tension just wasn't there.

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If they had any backbone what they should have done was kill off Ryans dad (make it be because of his dyspraxia that they mention every episode) and make the new series how he deals with that (blames the doctor/himself/Graham)
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« Reply #5184 on: January 1, 2019, 09:18:54 pm »
The tension just wasn't there.

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If they had any backbone what they should have done was kill off Ryans dad (make it be because of his dyspraxia that they mention every episode) and make the new series how he deals with that (blames the doctor/himself/Graham)
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« Reply #5185 on: January 2, 2019, 10:20:19 pm »
Didn’t think it was nearly as bad as some of the other recent episodes
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« Reply #5186 on: January 2, 2019, 11:00:54 pm »
Yeah I thought this one was decent, the girl playing the hostage did a great job.
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« Reply #5187 on: January 3, 2019, 12:02:49 am »
Watched it here in Oz last night.

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« Reply #5188 on: January 3, 2019, 03:00:39 pm »

More than any of that, though, I hate the fact that there's no story arc. People complained about Moffat's convoluted and too-clever-for-their-own-good arcs but it kept people interested through the filler episodes. This series has nothing. It's going nowhere.


I found the Moffat story arcs bewildering and overly contrived. I loved Dr Who as a kid, loved even more the Eccleston & Tennant series. I loved Smith as the Doctor and thought Amy one of the best companions ever (and the Rory thing was great). But by the time their tenures were coming to an end, more than anything the show made my head ache in trying to follow spurious arcs and trying to figure out if something was part of an arc or just there for that storyline. And my daughter (who'd been a devout Who fan since we watched the first reboot series together) was utterly confused and asking questions all the time (which I didn't have the answers for half the time!). She lost interest totally.

I know RTD could go a touch too melodramatic and cut corners for convenience, but he was a far better show runner (and I was excited when Moffat got the job, because the previous episodes he'd written were amongst the absolute best).

The upshot was that I couldn't summon any enthusiasm for the Capaldi Doctor and never bothered watching any of his series. And I've not watched the Whittaker incarnation either.

Gets me a bit sad, as I was a huge fan. But the strung-out Moffat arcs sapped all the joy out of it for me and I've never bothered trying to get back into it.

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« Reply #5189 on: January 5, 2019, 11:05:39 pm »
Not seen anything with JW in it so can't comment.
But the show has been dying a death since The Angels Take Manhattan. (Itself pretty poor.)

I'll say it again but Amy's Choice was singly the best episode of Doctor Who since the Caves Of Androzani.
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« Reply #5190 on: January 17, 2019, 04:13:45 pm »

I found the Moffat story arcs bewildering and overly contrived. I loved Dr Who as a kid, loved even more the Eccleston & Tennant series. I loved Smith as the Doctor and thought Amy one of the best companions ever (and the Rory thing was great). But by the time their tenures were coming to an end, more than anything the show made my head ache in trying to follow spurious arcs and trying to figure out if something was part of an arc or just there for that storyline. And my daughter (who'd been a devout Who fan since we watched the first reboot series together) was utterly confused and asking questions all the time (which I didn't have the answers for half the time!). She lost interest totally.

I know RTD could go a touch too melodramatic and cut corners for convenience, but he was a far better show runner (and I was excited when Moffat got the job, because the previous episodes he'd written were amongst the absolute best).

The upshot was that I couldn't summon any enthusiasm for the Capaldi Doctor and never bothered watching any of his series. And I've not watched the Whittaker incarnation either.

Gets me a bit sad, as I was a huge fan. But the strung-out Moffat arcs sapped all the joy out of it for me and I've never bothered trying to get back into it.

That's a shame. Some of Capaldi's later stuff was among the best in the show's history. Once they finally got rid of Clara, at least a year too late, and introduced Bill, it really found its feet.

The good news is that Chibnell has definitely done away with the huge plot arcs and bringing back minor characters all over the place. The show is now clearly pitched younger than at any time since it was revived. The stories are simplistic, not much in the way of twists, and the sci-fi elements have been toned down. So where in the past they might have used the Ood to make a commentary on an issue like slavery or segregation, now they just go and actually visit Rosa Parks. The episode was well done, and it harks back to the earliest version of the show, as much about teaching history as science fiction, but then there was an episode on the partition of India, again with a very minor, almost apologetic, sci-fi sub-plot.

It feels like a very different show now. It's lighter in tone, despite being much more up front with some fairly heavy issues. There aren't any cool new aliens who you might imagine fans wanting to see again and again. But all of these things, that people are holding up as criticisms, they do seem to be deliberate choices, presumably made for a reason. There's a gap before the new series films, and I expect they will be looking carefully at it, maybe tweaking a few things. They never came close to justifying having three companions, and none of them got the attention they deserved.

But there are positives. The effects have really stepped up a level. This now looks like absolute top-tier sci fi, even if it's not being written as it. (Talking space frogs aside.) The new version of the theme tune is easily the best since the reboot. Dark and thumping, instead of diddly-diddly, much closer to the weirdness of the original. And they've also got rid of the awful incidental music, which has consistently been the biggest weakness of the show since 2005. The music now is atmospheric and pitched to the atmosphere of what is happening on screen, rather than just being really loud all the time for no reason at all.

So in production terms, it looks and sounds fantastic, the cast are all pretty good to great, if woefully underserved, and it has swung from overcomplicated plots spanning years to barely enough story for a single episode. Loose ends abound, but you don't get the feeling those are setting anything up, it's more like they rushed the edits on the final draft and left in stuff that should have been cut because it originally led somewhere totally different.
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« Reply #5191 on: July 3, 2019, 09:45:55 pm »
Thought some here might find this interesting.  A visual comparison of new CGI effects added to update Classic Who.

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« Reply #5192 on: November 23, 2019, 11:51:42 pm »
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Re: Doctor Who **USE SPOILER TAGS PLEASE**
« Reply #5194 on: January 1, 2020, 08:38:55 pm »
Don't all react at once!

Just finished it. It was okay... I guess. The spy spoof stuff was a little overdone but they wanted to have fun with it.

There's still one too many in the Tardis for me. The show feels crowded. I've watched a few classic Who episodes recently and there's such a huge contrast.
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« Reply #5195 on: January 1, 2020, 09:52:30 pm »
A real wasted Stephen Fry opportunity.

It was all very clumsy and slapdash. Loads of closeups where it felt like the camera was shoved right in her face.

The *twist* at the end again felt rushed. Days gone by that would have been built to over a full series.

Oh and the bikes were just appalling

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« Reply #5196 on: January 2, 2020, 09:24:31 am »
I liked it, nice locations, felt like it bombed along at a fairly brisk pace and the new Master was fun at the end when he went full turbo ham (reminded me a little of Scott's Moriarty).
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« Reply #5197 on: January 2, 2020, 12:54:00 pm »
Caught up with the new episode today, why can't they just keep certain characters on the shelf for awhile? Always recycling them every  couple of years or so.

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« Reply #5198 on: January 5, 2020, 09:28:14 pm »
Well that was a... busy episode.
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Re: Doctor Who **USE SPOILER TAGS PLEASE**
« Reply #5199 on: January 5, 2020, 10:19:11 pm »
A bit Curse of Fatal Death.