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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3880 on: March 26, 2012, 11:17:57 am »
Not sure the negative view should include "We need to wait for Mourinho and get him". I seriously don't see that coming from a fan with "almost 30 years experience behind me in following Lfc".

So we shouldn't want the best manager around managing us? 

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3881 on: March 26, 2012, 11:18:17 am »
We need to wait for Mourinho and get him.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3882 on: March 26, 2012, 11:18:55 am »
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/james-lawton-dalglishs-smoke-and-mirrors-really-insults-our-intelligence-7584846.html

This is the kind of fucking article that boils my blood, it is a pure personal attack on Kenny, how can they just get away from it.

Are you surprised? but his comments at times don't help his case media always on Liverpool back and more so after we wanted there LMA  manager of year out.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3883 on: March 26, 2012, 11:19:17 am »
Kenny doesn't decide how much we spend, no input on the pounds - so the 'squills' aren't down to him

The recruitment strategy is Comolli's. No player can be bought on one persons say so, there are more checks and balances present because of the sums of money involved. FSG have structured the process so that it requires multiple senior staff members to give the go ahead for each player acquisition. Kenny is one of those senior staff.

I think given that FSG are spending millions they are entitled to insist on this 'management team' collective approach, but it does leave fans like you who want to rant and rave and point the finger of blame - a little short of just one person upon whom to vent your spleen because we simply don't know the intricacies of the internal dynamics. Still you can level your abuse at 'the club' - that should do.

He was responding to a poster who was "pointing the finger of blame" solely on Comolli. It's just as bad as someone placing the blame solely on Kenny. Especially as you say we "simply don't know the intricacies of the internal dynamics."

If anything, they are both equally at fault.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3884 on: March 26, 2012, 11:19:47 am »
So we shouldn't want the best manager around managing us?

Not when he's a c*nt.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3885 on: March 26, 2012, 11:20:26 am »
Not sure the negative view should include "We need to wait for Mourinho and get him". I seriously don't see that coming from a fan with "almost 30 years experience behind me in following Lfc".

Fair enough, i suppose he should of mentioned Klopp or Rodgers instead.......

I don't think it makes him a manc though.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3886 on: March 26, 2012, 11:20:29 am »
Does any new member with a negative view on Kenny have to be seen as a manc?


Come off it, he's a blatant WUM, it's very unlikely a liverpool fan of 30 years experience comes up with that absolute load of tosh.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3887 on: March 26, 2012, 11:22:05 am »
So we shouldn't want the best manager around managing us? 

The best, really ?

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3888 on: March 26, 2012, 11:22:44 am »
So we shouldn't want the best manager around managing us? 

We already have  :wave

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3889 on: March 26, 2012, 11:24:49 am »
Kenny bought the players? I thought that was/is Comolli's job? 

John Henry said all final decisions on players are Kenny's. Comolli does the scouting and gives Kenny the suggestions but final decision is Kenny's.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3890 on: March 26, 2012, 11:27:31 am »
John Henry said all final decisions on players are Kenny's. Comolli does the scouting and gives Kenny the suggestions but final decision is Kenny's.

Can you provide quotes and dates because that isn't what Comolli has said.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3891 on: March 26, 2012, 11:31:11 am »
"We have got a problem winning games in the league. We have to educate ourselves and maybe we have to not play the lovely football that we have been." Asked whether that meant he was considering deploying a more direct style of play, he replied cryptically "maybe we have to change our philosophies a wee bit" and declined to elaborate.

Kenny really is worrying me. He's perplexing himself.

This is too much for him.

Christ. That's worrying to me.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3892 on: March 26, 2012, 11:31:36 am »
I'm not asking for Mourinho as I'd like to see Kenny backed and turn things around next season

But people are kidding themselves if they think that if Kenny decided to step   down that Mourinho would come to us .
« Last Edit: March 26, 2012, 11:33:38 am by rocco »

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3893 on: March 26, 2012, 11:33:14 am »
I'm not asking for Mourinho as I'd like to see Kenny backed and turn things around next season

But people are kidding themselves if they think Kenny steepled down that Mourinho would come to us .

Mourinho is a shoe-in for a Chelsea return, I reckon, No ITK knowledge, but just a gut feeling looking at the press statements etc. And you are definitely right - mourinho would never come to Liverpool.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3894 on: March 26, 2012, 11:35:30 am »
Mourinho is a shoe-in for a Chelsea return, I reckon, No ITK knowledge, but just a gut feeling looking at the press statements etc. And you are definitely right - mourinho would never come to Liverpool.
Not so sure about a Chelsea return but wouldn't rule it out .

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3895 on: March 26, 2012, 11:36:04 am »
Can you provide quotes and dates because that isn't what Comolli has said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kenny-dalglish-has-final-say-on-transfers-says-damien-comolli-2181002.html

The Frenchman welcomed the appointment of Dalglish and said all transfer decisions would be deferred to the manager.

"I think it is great for the club and from a personal point of view because the short time I've been here I have exchanged ideas with Kenny on the academy side," he said.

"We have spoken about how we will work and we have been talking all the time and exchanging ideas.

"As I have always said, if Kenny is not happy with a player we think could make the team better, or if he thinks it is not the right timing, it will always be down to the manager to say he is not happy.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3896 on: March 26, 2012, 11:38:58 am »
So we shouldn't want the best manager around managing us?

Best manager is very subjective. King Kenny is probably "best manager" for majority of those who were around during his 1st reign.

Best manager in terms of results and playing style is probably Pep Guardiola.

Best manager in term of c*nt-ness, then maybe Mourinho can be consider as one.

And NO to your question even if Mourinho is indeed the best manager around.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3897 on: March 26, 2012, 11:39:12 am »
Can you provide quotes and dates because that isn't what Comolli has said.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/11/10/liverpool-fc-owner-john-henry-hails-terrific-damien-comolli-92534-29751341/2/

Mentions Comolli gets the players but Kenny has "the ultimate say".


Edit* Melbred also provided quotes from Comolli who said the same thing.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/kenny-dalglish-has-final-say-on-transfers-says-damien-comolli-2181002.html

The Frenchman welcomed the appointment of Dalglish and said all transfer decisions would be deferred to the manager.

"I think it is great for the club and from a personal point of view because the short time I've been here I have exchanged ideas with Kenny on the academy side," he said.

"We have spoken about how we will work and we have been talking all the time and exchanging ideas.

"As I have always said, if Kenny is not happy with a player we think could make the team better, or if he thinks it is not the right timing, it will always be down to the manager to say he is not happy.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3898 on: March 26, 2012, 11:42:43 am »
If Kenny really thinks we need to go more direct and stop attempting to play "lovely football" (or that we've been playing it recently), then I am extremely concerned about this summer's transfer business.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3899 on: March 26, 2012, 11:43:02 am »
I would like 'the ultimate say' for the next 'window'. If i sent a mail to King Kenny, perhabs...lovely thought 8)
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3900 on: March 26, 2012, 11:51:08 am »
mourinho fucking loves Liverpool, are you kidding?!? He would come in the right circumstances, deffo.

Sorry for writing that in Kenny's thread though. I want him to get a proper opportunity which means at least 5 years. That's if the job doesn't end up burning him out.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3901 on: March 26, 2012, 11:53:38 am »
mourinho fucking loves Liverpool, are you kidding?!?

No one has said that, have they?

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3902 on: March 26, 2012, 11:53:57 am »
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/11/10/liverpool-fc-owner-john-henry-hails-terrific-damien-comolli-92534-29751341/2/

Mentions Comolli gets the players but Kenny has "the ultimate say".


Edit* Melbred also provided quotes from Comolli who said the same thing.

The article is more than a year old and the working process could have changed.

Even in the article, Comolli quote was "As I have always said, if Kenny is not happy with a player we think could make the team better, or if he thinks it is not the right timing, it will always be down to the manager to say he is not happy."

I don't think Comolli ever admit that he will not buy the player that Kenny disagree on.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3903 on: March 26, 2012, 11:55:36 am »
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/sport/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2011/11/10/liverpool-fc-owner-john-henry-hails-terrific-damien-comolli-92534-29751341/2/

Mentions Comolli gets the players but Kenny has "the ultimate say".


Edit* Melbred also provided quotes from Comolli who said the same thing.

Well know Melbred didn't actually. Melbred's quote says Kenny can say he isn't happy and of course in a collective, team management structure that is the case, if it requires 3 or more senior staff to trigger an acquisition - of course Kenny can say he isn't happy. He also can't act alone.

Your quote is actually better and more interesting - here is the article and the parts you didn't mention though
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“And his accomplishments thus far – most of them unseen by people outside the club – have been extremely important. He has organised so much so quickly and so well.

“Everyone on the football side has gained a significant respect for Damien and his efforts on the club’s behalf.”

Asked if Comolli had made a greater impact than expected, Henry added: “Yes. Damien not only has a strong work ethic, but he is highly ethical in his dealings.

“That can be a disadvantage from time to time, but over the long-term it is what Liverpool Football Club deserves – what the fans of this club deserve.

“He represents us extremely well – not just in transfer work, but in a number of the most important aspects of the operation.”

While commonplace on the Continent, English football has historically been unreceptive to the concept of a director of football. But Henry is convinced the model is closer to the one that was in place during Dalglish’s first stint as manager in the 1980s.

“I don’t think it was a gamble at all,” he added. “I believe not having a director of football is a gamble and Kenny agrees with that perception.

“The manager’s job is huge in football throughout the world for large clubs. No-one person can be responsible for every aspect of the operation.

“I was speaking with Kenny about it this week and he doesn’t see that much difference between our model and the model of Liverpool when he was managing before.

“It’s up to Damien and his staff to identify, study and acquire the right players, but Kenny always has the ultimate say.


- it's not exactly Kenny get's a restaurant menu and he and he alone picks as some on here make out is it?

I didn't say he didn't have a veto, but he's not the only one with a veto and it still requires 3 to agree on an acquisition. Nothing you have said contradicts what Comolli himself has said about it being his job to identify scout and acquire. And at the end of the day all involved will have to work well together as a management team, so that sufficient senior staff reach a consensus.

The club under FSG does not sponsor individual decision making by a manager operating autocratically anymore.


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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3904 on: March 26, 2012, 11:57:56 am »
No one has said that, have they?

No no, people were saying that he wouldn't come because he hates us. He definitely doesn't, the opposite in fact! Would take Benitez back a million times before him, though.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3905 on: March 26, 2012, 11:58:56 am »
mourinho fucking loves Liverpool, are you kidding?!?

Mourinho cherry picks clubs on the cusp of success who also have a budget that allows him to carve a side entirely as he chooses. Whether he likes us as a club or not, he's not coming here. Which to be perfectly honest is just as well in my opinion because he's a short term manager, which is precisely what we don't want or need.

And anyway, we already have a manager. Support him.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3906 on: March 26, 2012, 11:59:52 am »
kdorg it was the same for Kenny under our scout Twentyman in the 80s. Henry himself quotes Kenny as saying 'it's not much different to what i worked with before'.

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« Reply #3907 on: March 26, 2012, 12:02:23 pm »
Don't understand why it's so hard to understand that they were both equally responsible for the mess that happened last summer.

There's no reason to point the blame at one of them and make them the scapegoat. Fact is, they both had their respective roles in the transfers and they both fucked up.

Let's hope they learn from their mistakes and set things right next time around.

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« Reply #3908 on: March 26, 2012, 12:15:56 pm »
"He spoke against Kenny! He must be a Manc"

Idiots.

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« Reply #3909 on: March 26, 2012, 12:16:41 pm »
kdorg it was the same for Kenny under our scout Twentyman in the 80s. Henry himself quotes Kenny as saying 'it's not much different to what i worked with before'.

Not much no, but some.

Kenny had a very good relationship with PBR and he never had anything to do with finance or fees paid then - just as is the case now.

He also had limited time for scouting (though he did some) and he of course relied on the expertise of others. The club has always been a team of people working together towards a common goal.

However, this DOF structure does mean things are a little different we have a more formalised management team structure  and more checks and balances because Henry is pretty opposed, based on a couple of interviews he's given, to individuals have too much power.

Sure in practical terms this collective approach may not be much of a departure from Kenny's preferred working style during his previous tenure - one of Kenny's strengths as a manager was a willingness to utilise others expertise and welcome their input - but it was a bit different because Kenny could for example go to PBR and say I want player X and PBR would go and try and sign them. It's not very different as such but now he would need a couple of other senior staff members on board with that - at least according to Commolli.

Don't understand why it's so hard to understand that they were both equally responsible for the mess that happened last summer.

There's no reason to point the blame at one of them and make them the scapegoat. Fact is, they both had their respective roles in the transfers and they both fucked up.

Let's hope they learn from their mistakes and set things right next time around.

That's all I'm trying to say - that it's a mangement team, a collective. There's no point trying to scapegoat individuals. Thanks for putting it better than I did.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3910 on: March 26, 2012, 12:21:33 pm »
mourinho fucking loves Liverpool, are you kidding?!? He would come in the right circumstances, deffo.

Sorry for writing that in Kenny's thread though. I want him to get a proper opportunity which means at least 5 years. That's if the job doesn't end up burning him out.

If Mourinho wanted the job, Kenny would most likely step aside.  I think he and other old school have been quoted as saying he's the best.

As for Mourinho wanting the job..I dunno.  It's a big ask, but we have a decent amount of money and if he were to come here and win the league he'd cement his status as the best manager alive.  People slate him for moving clubs, following money etc but I think there is more to it.  I think he wants to win every major league and maximise his champs league wins so he's obviously going to go the strong places...however I believe his next step will be to go aonewhere and build...somewhere like us, juve, Porto and he'll dominate in a way we've not seen since Liverpool's glory days.

By the time he is done, I reckon Mourinho will have more champs league cups than we do.  Unless he comes here that is :)

Having said all that if he came sniffing around and Kenny said no, then Fuck the guy, the King stays as long as he chooses.
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« Reply #3911 on: March 26, 2012, 12:33:43 pm »
Did anyone see sky interviewing outside Anfield just then,  ::) , some f*ckwit saying Kenny should go, sweet jesus!!!! It's going to be Rafa's last season all over again, it's starting, there are some tools "following" this club!!!
Somebody said recently that having Rafa as the manager means not giving a shit who you get in a Champions' League draw...........

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« Reply #3912 on: March 26, 2012, 12:35:13 pm »
Can you provide quotes and dates because that isn't what Comolli has said.

It's pretty obvious that it's how it works though.

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« Reply #3913 on: March 26, 2012, 12:39:35 pm »
Did anyone see sky interviewing outside Anfield just then,  ::) , some f*ckwit saying Kenny should go, sweet jesus!!!! It's going to be Rafa's last season all over again, it's starting, there are some tools "following" this club!!!

It's unbelievable really. Lets; be honest, it's been a massive cock up this year. yes, we're doing well in the cups, and that's good. But our league form is abysmal. All have to take the blame, including Kenny.

BUT, to start demanding he be removed? What the hell? Shocking. It is heading the way of Rafa again with some fans, and it's worse considering who it is too. If it had been 3 years, I'd understand the reactions. But this is his first full season. Come on red men. BACK HIM.
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« Reply #3914 on: March 26, 2012, 12:46:31 pm »
It's unbelievable really. Lets; be honest, it's been a massive cock up this year. yes, we're doing well in the cups, and that's good. But our league form is abysmal. All have to take the blame, including Kenny.

BUT, to start demanding he be removed? What the hell? Shocking. It is heading the way of Rafa again with some fans, and it's worse considering who it is too. If it had been 3 years, I'd understand the reactions. But this is his first full season. Come on red men. BACK HIM.

Exactly!  We can't let the insane rule the asylum again...HUGE mistake getting rid of Rafa, cannot repeat that again! I feel terrible for Kenny.  He had to deal with Hillsborough.  He's had to deal with the Suarez witch hunt.  Cannot be easy for him.
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« Reply #3915 on: March 26, 2012, 03:54:59 pm »
"That was [Jamie Carragher's] third game, Steven Gerrard's third game, there were a few of them had their third game in seven days and that is a long run, especially when you have travel in between. Maybe that is the price you have to pay for success but for us, if we want to be successful, we have to be able to handle it. The best way we can handle it is if we have more players to choose from but at the moment we are not blessed with that."

So the squad is not big enough now? so in Jan its fine two month late three injuries late and its not? Really don't see why he would play them if they not fully condition! We may not be able to replace Gerrard but we certainly could of replaced Carra.

I dont see what is so wrong with his comments - unless you are Hell-bent on looking for something to moan about.

From the players most would consider to be odds on favourites for contention in the first team we have lost Agger, Johnston, Adam, Maxi, Bellamy, Kelly and Lucas all out injured. 

If you don't think that has an impact on how we can set up a team then I don't understand how you can think that.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3916 on: March 26, 2012, 03:57:48 pm »
"He spoke against Kenny! He must be a Manc"

Idiots.
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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3917 on: March 26, 2012, 04:06:10 pm »
There was lovely football this season?

Yes, it was. Some very lovely, yet desperately inefficient football.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3918 on: March 26, 2012, 04:09:03 pm »
Not sure what Kenny means by playing less lovely football.

Should we lump it up to Carroll more? I'm not sure what he's suggesting there.

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Re: The King's Speech: His conferences and interviews here
« Reply #3919 on: March 26, 2012, 04:10:05 pm »
I think people are failing to see the obvious here. I know this is my first post but I have been lurking here for a
long, long time and I have almost 30 years experience behind me in following Lfc so I wanted to share some things that
have been on my mind for a while.

Kenny is a legend and nobody is trying to take anything away from what he has done.

Those days are gone. And I think so is Kenny.

Stop living in false hope. We need to wait for Mourinho and get him.

Somewhere down the road, you have completely lost your way.