Topic: DC Mega Topic, it's not the MCU

[Nessy76]

Aren't they already doing this?

[Something Worse]

Aren't they already doing this?

They weren't, I think the three incoming movies are DCEU. But now we can have Red Son!

(I can dream)

[Brian Blessed]

They weren't, I think the three incoming movies are DCEU. But now we can have Red Son!

(I can dream)

At least there is a chance of that now, because it could be fantastic.

This announcement also makes the Joaquin Phoenix Joker film make more sense.

[tubby]

Aren't they already doing this?

They kind of are already with the TV versions vs the cinematic versions.

[AndyMuller]

At least there is a chance of that now, because it could be fantastic.

This announcement also makes the Joaquin Phoenix Joker film make more sense.

De Niro is reportedly in the new Joker film, it could be a classic.

[Something Worse]

At least there is a chance of that now, because it could be fantastic.

This announcement also makes the Joaquin Phoenix Joker film make more sense.

I'm fine with Cavill staying and them just doing his movies in between Multiverse stuff.

Although he'd have to play Ultraman.

Actually fuck it just scrap the whole thing and go apeshit.

Ridley Scott Presents Flashpoint
Michael Bay Presents Lobo
Alejandro Inarritu presents Earth 3
GDT presents Justice League Dark

[Beav]

I'm fine with Cavill staying and them just doing his movies in between Multiverse stuff.

Although he'd have to play Ultraman.

Actually fuck it just scrap the whole thing and go apeshit.

Ridley Scott Presents Flashpoint
Michael Bay Presents Lobo
Alejandro Inarritu presents Earth 3
GDT presents Justice League Dark

I am absolutely here for giving weird directors free licence to just do whatever they want with comic book properties.

Mister Miracle, a Darren Aronofsky film.

Hawkman, a film by Lars von Trier.

To be honest this move has made the most sense for years, and its weird, although not surprising, they took so long to realise it. Marvel are king of the connected universe idea, so make yours the one where you do different, interesting takes on the characters and fuck the continuity stuff. They just have to bite the bullet and trust in the filmmakers, not meddle with them because thats how they got here in the first place.

[Nessy76]

James Gunn is available, if they are feeling brave and bold.

[Something Worse]

I am absolutely here for giving weird directors free licence to just do whatever they want with comic book properties.

Mister Miracle, a Darren Aronofsky film.

Hawkman, a film by Lars von Trier.

To be honest this move has made the most sense for years, and its weird, although not surprising, they took so long to realise it. Marvel are king of the connected universe idea, so make yours the one where you do different, interesting takes on the characters and fuck the continuity stuff. They just have to bite the bullet and trust in the filmmakers, not meddle with them because thats how they got here in the first place.

Exactly! I've been saying for years you don't compete with Marvel, you go a different way. You never know what good stuff could come of it (and bad stuff, for that matter).

James Gunn is available, if they are feeling brave and bold.

Teen Titans seems like something he could do. DC would have to wait a year to pretend like they care about his tweets.

[Mr Mingebag Squid]

So - in simple terms - how does this work?

[Brian Blessed]

So - in simple terms - how does this work?

As opposed to all the MCU films being set in the same universe, the DC films won't be.

[Nessy76]

So - in simple terms - how does this work?

You know how the A Team never turn up in an episode of The Good Life?

That.

[Beav]

So - in simple terms - how does this work?

You know all the Batman films that were before this recent Affleck one? Imagine they all exist, but theyre all in their own separate universes, so like Adam West's Batman is Earth 1, Burton's Batman is on Earth 2, Nolans is Earth 3 etc etc.

You dont have to worry about making sure all the individual films fit together, so you could have a Superman film that is in a different world to the upcoming Batman film, they dont have to share a style or even be the same period in history, you could have a Superman in the 70's while Batman is around today.

So with all the Joker films, the Jared Leto one is in the DCEU with the current Batman, Justice League etc, while the Joaquin Phoenix film is in a different universe, and doesnt have to tie in to those films.

[AndyMuller]

You know all the Batman films that were before this recent Affleck one? Imagine they all exist, but theyre all in their own separate universes, so like Adam West's Batman is Earth 1, Burton's Batman is on Earth 2, Nolans is Earth 3 etc etc.

You dont have to worry about making sure all the individual films fit together, so you could have a Superman film that is in a different world to the upcoming Batman film, they dont have to share a style or even be the same period in history, you could have a Superman in the 70's while Batman is around today.

So with all the Joker films, the Jared Leto one is in the DCEU with the current Batman, Justice League etc, while the Joaquin Phoenix film is in a different universe, and doesnt have to tie in to those films.

Is having the connected universe the biggest issue with these films though?

I though they were just shite in general not because they are in the same universe.

[Beav]

Is having the connected universe the biggest issue with these films though?

I though they were just shite in general not because they are in the same universe.

Its not their biggest issue, but it is a problem that stemmed from them needing all the films to adhere to a singular vision, that of Zack Snyder. All of the films had to be connected because that was what Marvel were doing and everyone was trying to copy, but because they then needed it all to be Snydery, it painted them into a corner when all his films came out (plus Suicide Squad) and the general consensus was very mixed to bad.

This doesnt "fix" their issues, but it does mean that directors and writers can have the freedom to create their own visions for these characters, without having to be constantly worried about upsetting continuity or the style not mashing with what is already out. If they are left alone, this should lead to more interesting and better films. I think this has been coming for a while, given the look of both Shazam and Aquaman that look a million miles away from BvS.

[Something Worse]

There are some cool fucking characters in DC but if you're *top level director* why would you want to be tied to an overarching narrative you won't ever have a hand in again?

This way if Scorcese wants a movie, they can just leave him alone and reap the rewards instead of chasing him off with a list of requirements.

As Marvel go one way, DC should go the other. They can make smaller movies for less money, make money, and make a better movie. Marvel's success comes from how homogeneous and samey they all are, so the obvious move is the opposite look.

[my usenme changed?]

I think it's a good, bold move for DC. It's clear that everyone takes each movie, compares to Marvel and says "oh its not good", "they've rushed too many characters too quick", "its too dark". This allows them (as someone said earlier) some breathing space to move forward. As long as Batfleck doesnt turn up in Joaquin Phoenix's Joker movie for example then it should work.

All that's needed now is some serious quality movies. Bar Suicide Squad, I have enjoyed them all so far, but Wonder Woman is far and away the best so far. Still a long way to go to match the animated movies though.

[Red Viper]

Finally got round to watching Justice League. Could be due to my extremely low expectations but I actually didn't find it that bad. It had a few things I enjoyed like the Flash and even Aquaman surprisingly (although I hated all the underwater stuff, it looked laughably bad). We also got to see Superman be Superman and not Snyder's horrible cynical view of Superman. The CGI lip was awful though and extremely off putting.

It was infinitely better than BVS and easily the 2nd best DC film since they started the extended universe stuff behind Wonder Woman. Obviously that's not saying much but I think it's at least a step in the right direction.

[Mr Mingebag Squid]

You know how the A Team never turn up in an episode of The Good Life?

That.

Were the A Team and the Good Life connected? 

 

So - Superman in a "Superman" film will have no relevance say to a Superman used in a Batman film? They're all totally separate entities? Right - got it!

[El Lobo]

Finally got round to watching Justice League. Could be due to my extremely low expectations but I actually didn't find it that bad. It had a few things I enjoyed like the Flash and even Aquaman surprisingly (although I hated all the underwater stuff, it looked laughably bad). We also got to see Superman be Superman and not Snyder's horrible cynical view of Superman. The CGI lip was awful though and extremely off putting.

It was infinitely better than BVS and easily the 2nd best DC film since they started the extended universe stuff behind Wonder Woman. Obviously that's not saying much but I think it's at least a step in the right direction.

Aye watched this the other day myself....

One of the most instantly forgettable superhero movies I’ve seen. Not particularly shocking or anything, just so average. Affleck isn’t a particularly good Batman, Cavill isn’t a particularly good actor, Aquaman is pretty shite, Wonder Woman is pretty good, the Flash was alright and the robot guy was average. The villain was shite. As expected just massively rushed. Felt like five minutes to introduce the villain, five minutes for Aquamans origin, five minutes to introduce the Flash, five minutes to introduce the robot, five minutes for the Superman bit and that was it apart from a load of pretty meaningless CGI battles against aliens.....

[tubby]

Urgh, Justice League.  Stuff like Superman's return to face Steppenwolf compared to Thor's arrival in Wakanda is why DC just aren't getting any real traction with their movies.

[El Lobo]

Urgh, Justice League.  Stuff like Superman's return to face Steppenwolf compared to Thor's arrival in Wakanda is why DC just aren't getting any real traction with their movies.

Its a complete rush job, so no one really gives a fuck about any of the characters. If they still had Bale as Batman, the woman whos name escapes me as Selina Kyle, and Michael Caine, and the guy who was about to become Robin at the end of TDKR, and that Batman was in this universe instead of Batfleck then it'd be instantly better because you'd actually give some sort of shit about them.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Finally got round to watching Justice League. Could be due to my extremely low expectations but I actually didn't find it that bad. It had a few things I enjoyed like the Flash and even Aquaman surprisingly (although I hated all the underwater stuff, it looked laughably bad). We also got to see Superman be Superman and not Snyder's horrible cynical view of Superman. The CGI lip was awful though and extremely off putting.

It was infinitely better than BVS and easily the 2nd best DC film since they started the extended universe stuff behind Wonder Woman. Obviously that's not saying much but I think it's at least a step in the right direction.

I thought BVS was a more developed & engrossing film than Justice League personally, but each to their own.

Neither are awful - Eel Lobo is right in that they're simply average and forgettable. Like Age of Ultron.

[Red Viper]

I thought BVS was a more developed & engrossing film than Justice League personally, but each to their own.

Neither are awful - Eel Lobo is right in that they're simply average and forgettable. Like Age of Ultron.

BVS is awful. It's an incoherent, boring mess of a film. JL average and forgettable, definitely, but BVS dreams of being called average and forgettable. It's just bad. Bad. Bad. Bad.

[Schmidt]

BVS is awful. It's an incoherent, boring mess of a film. JL average and forgettable, definitely, but BVS dreams of being called average and forgettable. It's just bad. Bad. Bad. Bad.

I only watched the ultimate edition and I enjoyed it, minus the Martha bit.

[Beav]

I only watched the ultimate edition and I enjoyed it, minus the Martha bit.

..

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?!

[LallanaInPyjamas]

Yeah I accidentally watched the director's cut (ultimate edition, I guess?) and I've heard it makes the film a lot better.

[Something Worse]

I have no idea why people don't like Steppenwolf. He was a perfectly fine first-movie villain.

Nothing special, but far from shite.

[Brian Blessed]

I have no idea why people don't like Steppenwolf. He was a perfectly fine first-movie villain.

Nothing special, but far from shite.

He was fine as a villain, but the CG was woeful. I found it really off putting.

[Something Worse]

He was fine as a villain, but the CG was woeful. I found it really off putting.

It doesn't bother me as much for aliens and weird shit, I find humanish cgi really off putting. The ones in Rogue One were awkward, all of the Prequel Trilogy as well for that matter.

[Nessy76]

Hollywood Reporter suggesting Caville is unlikely to reprise the role of Superman.

Suggestions?

[Trada]

Hollywood Reporter suggesting Caville is unlikely to reprise the role of Superman.

Suggestions?

I wonder if its because hes been cast in the Witcher Netflix TV series.

[JoeCole]

Waste of time bringing him back in Justice League then.

They should just hit reset on everything besides Wonder Woman.

[Agent99]

Hollywood Reporter suggesting Caville is unlikely to reprise the role of Superman.

Suggestions?

Nic Cage.

[Golden_Child]

Crisis averted

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnpPIrmFN9n/?hl=en

[bobadicious]

Nic Cage.

Haha yes!!

[Beav]

Hollywood Reporter suggesting Caville is unlikely to reprise the role of Superman.

Suggestions?

They could literally magic up prime Christopher Reeve and they wouldnt know how to even use him so whats the point.

[[new username under construction]]

Hollywood Reporter suggesting Caville is unlikely to reprise the role of Superman.

Suggestions?

Peter Dinklage

[Something Worse]

Cavill power play to speed up MOS2 IMO.

[AndyMuller]

This new Joker film could be excellent with Joaquin Phoenix portraying him.