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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13040 on: October 2, 2022, 12:20:55 pm »
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13041 on: October 2, 2022, 12:22:21 pm »
Although I wasn’t around in the 70/80s I agree with every bit of that post. I often get told by my dad about the 70s and 80s at Anfield. Great post teapot 👏🏼

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13042 on: October 2, 2022, 12:30:29 pm »
Agree 100% with the last comment. The main stand development had a positive Impact on the atmosphere for a few weeks but it’s a placebo. If people think that the new stand and over 60k fans will improve the atmosphere, it won’t. What is needed is areas in the Kop where like minded people congregate, one in the Kop and one in the Anny Rd ala Palace. Even Arsenal have a section, all dressed in black who get things started. Obviously we won’t go along those lines where we try to emulate ultras in a watered down version but we’d do our own thing.

This group will Kickstart things and it will be easy to create a knock on affect around the ground as at the moment all three like minded people are spread out and it’s nigh on impossible to get started.

We've got a one off chance to do something with the Anny as that opens next season and that bring some life back to the ground.

306 have a go but it's always been in the worst possible place. You can't even see it from most of the ground, let alone hear it.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13043 on: October 2, 2022, 12:33:18 pm »
Ban phones

At the ground I mean

Lol. Why did Anfield put in 5G or whatever it was. Get some sort of network blocker up and watch the atmosphere increase IMO

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13044 on: October 2, 2022, 12:36:26 pm »
We've got a one off chance to do something with the Anny as that opens next season and that bring some life back to the ground.

306 have a go but it's always been in the worst possible place. You can't even see it from most of the ground, let alone hear it.

I agree try and get the new Annie road upper to give the kop a challenge.

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13045 on: October 2, 2022, 12:40:11 pm »
Ban phones

At the ground I mean

Lol. Why did Anfield put in 5G or whatever it was. Get some sort of network blocker up and watch the atmosphere increase IMO
Can't be done. And in any case I doubt it would be much better. People who are going to sing and make a noise already do so. Those who aren't going to do so will not do so, even if their phones were banned.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13046 on: October 2, 2022, 12:49:37 pm »
Although I wasn’t around in the 70/80s I agree with every bit of that post. I often get told by my dad about the 70s and 80s at Anfield. Great post teapot 👏🏼

Thanks  :)

Agree with the idea that the AR development is an opportunity we need to take to get the ball rolling. Is it too much to hope that could  happen and then be a catalyst ...

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13047 on: October 2, 2022, 12:55:13 pm »
I agree try and get the new Annie road upper to give the kop a challenge.
There was a plan announced by some fans recently, I think, to try and get a singing section in the Annie established.

Need to be more singing sections really, dotted around the ground, where like-minded groups of friends can stand together. This could be tied in with safe-standing. Sections of safe-standing, at intervals throughout the four stands. You buy a ticket for the section but not for a particular spot. Instead you stand with your friends, one to a spot, first come basis. Only specified section ticket holders allowed into each section so no chance of exceeding capacity.

Call them singing sections; aimed at a mix of STH and non-STH who want to sing and contribute to atmosphere. Exhort those who choose a ST there or buy a ticket, to sing and make noise throught. Get sections to compete for pride and honours.

It'd mean shifting some people form their current seats maybe but something like this needs to happen to prevent things getting ever more morbund.

The problem is not non-STH,. however much people want to believe that. The problem is the lack of, for want of a better term 'terrace culture'. There were always loads of people who sat silently but the terrace culture of the day made up for that. Now it's largely missing and as someone else said 306 is a drop in the ocean,. increasingly so as capacity increases.

There might also be an acoustics issue which I'll leave for another post
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13048 on: October 2, 2022, 12:55:44 pm »
Thanks  :)

Agree with the idea that the AR development is an opportunity we need to take to get the ball rolling. Is it too much to hope that could  happen and then be a catalyst ...

I hope so. Getting groups of supporters sat together who will sing and make noise throughout is the route to go down. And I say that through gritted teeth as I used to take the piss out of teams who had singing sections. But maybe it’s for the best?

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13049 on: October 2, 2022, 01:02:34 pm »
I hope so. Getting groups of supporters sat together who will sing and make noise throughout is the route to go down. And I say that through gritted teeth as I used to take the piss out of teams who had singing sections. But maybe it’s for the best?


Ha exactly. Would cringe at the idea but it's  probably going to be the only way

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13050 on: October 2, 2022, 01:07:25 pm »
There was a plan announced by some fans recently, I think, to try and get a singing section in the Annie established.

Need to be more singing sections really, dotted around the ground, where like-minded groups of friends can stand together. This could be tied in with safe-standing. Sections of safe-standing, at intervals throughout the four stands. You buy a ticket for the section but not for a particular spot. Instead you stand with your friends, one to a spot, first come basis. Only specified section ticket holders allowed into each section so no chance of exceeding capacity.

Call them singing sections; aimed at a mix of STH and non-STH who want to sing and contribute to atmosphere. Exhort those who choose a ST there or buy a ticket, to sing and make noise throught. Get sections to compete for pride and honours.

It'd mean shifting some people form their current seats maybe but something like this needs to happen to prevent things getting ever more morbund.

The problem is not non-STH,. however much people want to believe that. The problem is the lack of, for want of a better term 'terrace culture'. There were always loads of people who sat silently but the terrace culture of the day made up for that. Now it's largely missing and as someone else said 306 is a drop in the ocean,. increasingly so as capacity increases.

There might also be an acoustics issue which I'll leave for another post


These seem like great ideas to me. Different areas making noise is how its going to happen.  When you say 'dotted around the ground', how many do you envisage?

Completely agree about your point on terrace culture too. It's been lost and those who want to make the noise are too spread out or in the case of 306 - too small an area and not well positioned.

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13051 on: October 2, 2022, 01:55:32 pm »

These seem like great ideas to me. Different areas making noise is how its going to happen.  When you say 'dotted around the ground', how many do you envisage?
That's up for discussion but perhaps one big one on the Kop and then several each in the other stands, maybe one per tier.

Part of the problem with having just one Singing Section is that it can seem like an admission of defeat. Effectively saying 'we're shoving the few vocal fans we have into one spot in the hope of amplifying what noise they make'. It can also, conversely, make the rest of the ground stay quiet because they feel that it's not their job to sing - that's the Singing Section's job. Some might even feel they are overstepping the mark, committing a faux-pas, by singing if they're not in the correct section.

But having multiple sections around the ground makes each one seem less like the naughty step for overloud scallies and more like a focal point and driving force for each stand/tier; a point where noise and songs might start so as to co-ordinate that stand/tier's output, so everyone can be in unison and not half a verse behind because it's taken time to realise that a song has started in 306 or wherever.

Then, hopefully, people in each stand will feel competetive and try to outdo the other stands, honour at stake; maybe even have back-and-forth, call-and-response engagement between stands. There are lots of possibilities if we can get the culture going again.

Not everybody feels confident enough to lead the singing; to start a song off. We all have experiences where maybe we, or some fella, starts to sing a song loudly and no-one joins in and you feel a bit if a tit. This way there'll be 'leaders' for each stand and tier, made of of groups of friends, a lot of younger, brash, vocal, devil-may-care types, who can set the tone and tempo for that part of the ground.

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Completely agree about your point on terrace culture too. It's been lost and those who want to make the noise are too spread out or in the case of 306 - too small an area and not well positioned.
Yes, and there's an acoustics issue as well where not all parts of the ground can hear what's emanating from other parts. Where I sit in the Main, for example, I can hear a good rendition of PST, say, from the Kop, but later my mate in the Annie will insist that PST was never sung all match long. It just never reached them.

After the Bournemouth game I was linked to a match Vlog that some of the Cherries fans did; some of you might have seen it. They were good lads and hugely complimentary about everything to do with Liverpool, the city, the club, the people and their experiences - except that they genuinely insisted that they heard no songs coming from our fans. They weren't being snide or coming out with any 'where's yer famous atmosphere' crap; they seemed genuinely disappointed because that, and the score, of course, were the only downsides to an otherwise excellent away experience.

But I was at that match and while the atmosphere wasn't scintillating, there was a fair bit of singing; we went through all the usual songs. Yet the away fans heard nothing? Once again these lads weren't being triumphantly snide about our atmosphere. They seemed genuinely gutted that they heard very little. So there seems to be a real issue with sound reaching parts of the ground.

I'd not really thought about this before despite years of attending. Could the structure of the new Main and the new Annie be having a negative effect on the acoustics? I know little about such things.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13052 on: October 2, 2022, 02:05:56 pm »
1 year ban needed for people with a cardboard sign begging for a shirt, especially during the warm ups when they don't even have the shirt on yet

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« Reply #13053 on: October 2, 2022, 02:14:55 pm »
It's a tough one. I've always felt like the crowd feed off the players. I don't think it should be up to the crowd to get professional football players to put 100% effort in. When the team works hard and plays well, the crowd will always reciprocate with noise. We were fucking dreadful yesterday in the opening 15 minutes and it's hard as a fan to get excited and not extremely frustrated. And anyway, rain or shine, the game will always start with a rousing rendition on YNWA, so that should be the springboard for the players to keep the cycle going.

Certainly, no excuse for leaving seats though. One fan near me left after the second goal and never came back! A whole raft of fans also thought it was a good time to get up and go for a piss or a Bovril. I was genuinely confused. Loads fucked off at 86 minutes, which at 3-3 is pretty unforgivable.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13054 on: October 2, 2022, 02:20:01 pm »
1 year ban needed for people with a cardboard sign begging for a shirt, especially during the warm ups when they don't even have the shirt on yet
Lifetime ban more like… along with a ban for adults dressed head to toe in replica merchandise who look like they’ve never been a match in their life! These are the people ruining everything
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13055 on: October 2, 2022, 05:11:21 pm »
I hope so. Getting groups of supporters sat together who will sing and make noise throughout is the route to go down. And I say that through gritted teeth as I used to take the piss out of teams who had singing sections. But maybe it’s for the best?

Problem is keeping the powertripping/ego boosting that goes on with the cheer leading supporters groups,defo prevelent in the States with their militia styled names and sing for 90 minutes stuff.

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« Reply #13056 on: October 2, 2022, 05:56:48 pm »
Haven’t been for a few years but even then this issue at all grounds was evident and my feeling is this is all overthinking it.  The problem everywhere is the age of the crowd - get young fans in and the atmosphere will take care of itself.  The trouble is that that would mean foregoing revenue - cancelling STs and cutting down on prices, daytrippers and corporates - so there’s no way it’ll happen by choice.  Instead they’ll compensate by clever mic’ing on TV and it’ll only be matchgoers who are aware of it.

It’s killing the sport slowly though, you can feel it - the EPL is not cool in any way anymore (except, begrudgingly, that Haaland is fucking amazing) and once you’ve attuned to that, it becomes hard to care about the show at all.  But they can probably squeeze a lot of mileage out of it yet before most people notice.

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13057 on: October 2, 2022, 06:03:13 pm »
Kop season ticket holder for 30 years now. The atmosphere has declined season on season. When we need to, we rise like a phoenix from the ashes for a big European game or significant league game. Unfortunately there are far too many who sit around me who either moan, leave early or sit in complete silence expecting to be entertained.

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« Reply #13058 on: October 2, 2022, 06:17:44 pm »
Kop season ticket holder for 30 years now. The atmosphere has declined season on season. When we need to, we rise like a phoenix from the ashes for a big European game or significant league game. Unfortunately there are far too many who sit around me who either moan, leave early or sit in complete silence expecting to be entertained.

There’s too many parts of the ground where if you start singing or making noise you get funny looks. Should never be like that. 

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« Reply #13059 on: October 2, 2022, 06:47:48 pm »
We do need an "ultras" (for want of a better word) section now, like Rangers and Celtic have (Union Bears/Green Brigade)

Arsenal have also done it now in the Clock End

I know we have 306 but it's not big enough and too far back, think something in the AR is a good idea

The lower annie at the moment is rammed full of hospitality day trippers... embarrassing how it's a rail seating area and everyone is sat down

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13060 on: October 2, 2022, 07:25:55 pm »
We do need an "ultras" (for want of a better word) section now, like Rangers and Celtic have (Union Bears/Green Brigade)

Arsenal have also done it now in the Clock End

I know we have 306 but it's not big enough and too far back, think something in the AR is a good idea

The lower annie at the moment is rammed full of hospitality day trippers... embarrassing how it's a rail seating area and everyone is sat down

New anfield road upper tier would be perfect and it would give the kop something to bounce off, someone should put this to the club.

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« Reply #13061 on: October 2, 2022, 07:48:35 pm »
New anfield road upper tier would be perfect and it would give the kop something to bounce off, someone should put this to the club.

Hasn’t something already been started via Twitter?

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« Reply #13062 on: October 2, 2022, 07:58:49 pm »
Hasn’t something already been started via Twitter?

No hospitality allowed in that section, please. Defo no transfer of tickets either. Not exactly an “ultra” if you’re passing on your tickets

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13063 on: October 2, 2022, 08:18:38 pm »
We do need an "ultras" (for want of a better word) section now, like Rangers and Celtic have (Union Bears/Green Brigade)

Arsenal have also done it now in the Clock End

I know we have 306 but it's not big enough and too far back, think something in the AR is a good idea

The lower annie at the moment is rammed full of hospitality day trippers... embarrassing how it's a rail seating area and everyone is sat down

Go back to 1978 with The Road End. Ram the south side full of 14-21yr olds like it was in the days of old.  Different generation but we really need 3000 up and at it young Scousers next to the away fans.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13064 on: October 2, 2022, 08:36:07 pm »
Go back to 1978 with The Road End. Ram the south side full of 14-21yr olds like it was in the days of old.  Different generation but we really need 3000 up and at it young Scousers next to the away fans.

Definitely. About time those boring pricks with the same “funny chants” get something back

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« Reply #13065 on: October 2, 2022, 09:07:05 pm »
Go back to 1978 with The Road End. Ram the south side full of 14-21yr olds like it was in the days of old.  Different generation but we really need 3000 up and at it young Scousers next to the away fans.
I'd love to see that. The away section at Anfield get such an easy ride these days.
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« Reply #13066 on: October 2, 2022, 09:31:32 pm »
Hasn’t something already been started via Twitter?

No hospitality allowed in that section, please. Defo no transfer of tickets either. Not exactly an “ultra” if you’re passing on your tickets

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13067 on: October 3, 2022, 07:46:21 am »
Ban phones

At the ground I mean

Lol. Why did Anfield put in 5G or whatever it was. Get some sort of network blocker up and watch the atmosphere increase IMO

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« Reply #13068 on: October 3, 2022, 08:23:15 am »
You could go back a good few years and correlate a graph showing an increase in posts on this thread any time the performances of the team are poor. When we’re winning we’re great, when we aren’t everyone is fed up of the place. I’ve been passionate about this for years and followed this thread and it’s been done to death of the whats whys and who’s. We all know the answer. A regular, young, local core with affordable accessibility. But it’s not in the clubs interests. So that’s that. Adding seats won’t do a thing. Will just be more middle aged men from who knows where filming shit on their phones.

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« Reply #13069 on: October 3, 2022, 08:53:00 am »
Will just be more middle aged men from who knows where filming shit on their phones.
Now there’s a way of putting it.  Might be different further down the pyramid, but that’s what this league is now.  Kind of amazed any kids are into football sometimes, if this is what it was like back in the day there’s no way we’d all have got hooked on it.  Makes me wonder what the average age on rawk is, actually.

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« Reply #13070 on: October 3, 2022, 10:22:53 am »
Now there’s a way of putting it.  Might be different further down the pyramid, but that’s what this league is now.  Kind of amazed any kids are into football sometimes, if this is what it was like back in the day there’s no way we’d all have got hooked on it.  Makes me wonder what the average age on rawk is, actually.

Mainly middle aged men from who knows where writing shit on their phones

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13071 on: October 3, 2022, 10:49:50 am »

The lower annie at the moment is rammed full of hospitality day trippers... embarrassing how it's a rail seating area and everyone is sat down

Was in there on Saturday since they've installed those railings in. Used to be my favourite part of the ground, but you're right. Got told to sit down for calling the lino a c*nt for missing a blatant handball. All the while the same dickhead was getting a free pass by all those around him for incessantly slagging off Trent. Giving the opposition and ref hell and fury seems to be forbidden these days, but it's fair game to shout down your own. Honestly can't be arsed with it anymore.   

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« Reply #13072 on: October 3, 2022, 10:52:54 am »
Mainly middle aged men from who knows where writing shit on their phones

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« Reply #13074 on: October 3, 2022, 10:57:57 am »
I dont go anymore, but still follow us and like to read here. Im not old enough to know what its like in the 60/70/80/90s. Only started going aound age 18 2002 when i started earning myself. It was always poor for most league games through the Houllier onwards era (when i attended from), seemed to be more tourist type fans for league games even then, cup games midweeks and certain league games ok. Just seemed to get worse after 2005 more and more tourist fans, the club capitalizing on it more and more.

I remember going to games like Ipswich in midweek in the league cup there was only about 25 thousand there, but it was just after dudek had dropped the ball through his legs against united at the weekend. Remember the kop chanting dudeks name most of the game in support, it wasnt St.Etienne or chelsea 2005 but it was ok (in my memory at least) despite being only 25 thousand. Nowadays thatd sell out to 52000 all watching through their phones.

You need younger fans and groups of friends to be able to go affordably and easily together, but its not gonna happen as the premier league is the pinnacle of capitalism and profit and were right up there with the worst of it. I dont know what's it's like now but even then a kid couldn't go and buy a kids ticket for a league game you had to buy some bullshit adult child ticket. We dont have a culture anymore of kids been able to get to the match with their mates, but we have a never-ending stream of tourists from all over who'll come for that one game so the club don't care.

I stopped going around 2013. One the of the derbys then was in the anfield road end by the everton fans and tried to get some chanting going back at them and most the people around me started filming/watching me rather than joining in. Just thought whats this all about. Must be worse now with better phones, social media etc. Some of that was around changing circumstances and not being able to afford it any longer, but a lot was about not wanting to break the bank to sit in silence in a single seat away from mates and watch people take selfies etc.

I feel like the arse needs to fall out of it all before things will go better. You dont want it to be like some aspects of the 80s hooliganism etc but its a load of shite now lets be honest
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13075 on: October 3, 2022, 11:04:29 am »
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Go back to 1978 with The Road End. Ram the south side full of 14-21yr olds like it was in the days of old.  Different generation but we really need 3000 up and at it young Scousers next to the away fans.

As an ex Road Ender from that actual era I would love to see that return. But the club is far to interested in the tourist pound/euro/dollar to be concerned about atmosphere.

And as for the extra 5000 seats they will know exactly the type of person they intend to be sitting in them, and it won't be some young scally from inner city Liverpool.

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« Reply #13076 on: October 3, 2022, 12:35:04 pm »
My 5G and 4G still doesn’t work there ;D

Ha, same, I can barely even get a phone signal once I hit Stanley Park!
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13077 on: October 3, 2022, 12:35:34 pm »
Ultras sections do create noise but having been to a couple of Celtic Saturday 3pm kickoffs, the atmosphere is no different to ours. I have been above the green brigade section both times and yes they sing all game and beat a drum, but no-one else joins in. I was also handed a song sheet going in once for a new song they were trying to learn which maybe isn't a terrible idea.
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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13078 on: October 3, 2022, 12:57:38 pm »
Now there’s a way of putting it.  Might be different further down the pyramid, but that’s what this league is now.  Kind of amazed any kids are into football sometimes, if this is what it was like back in the day there’s no way we’d all have got hooked on it.  Makes me wonder what the average age on rawk is, actually.

Between 25-44 according to the latest census

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Re: Atmosphere at Anfield
« Reply #13079 on: October 3, 2022, 01:00:42 pm »
Lifetime ban more like… along with a ban for adults dressed head to toe in replica merchandise who look like they’ve never been a match in their life! These are the people ruining everything

I agree. Ban the sale of merchandise to match going fans. In fact, just ban the sale of merchandise altogether. Don't sell anything. Lets see our revenues take a tumble, can't afford to pay any player a premier league wage and head down to the 1st division. Splendid idea.
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