Topic: The Anfield Wrap

[Fitzy.]

Some mad comments from Neil on TAW live, showing sympathy with Guardiola.

Isn’t it more the fact that the managers are the ones tasked with fronting the entire enterprise? High levels of accountability given there are people higher up who answer zero questions on the corruption stuff.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Isn’t it more the fact that the managers are the ones tasked with fronting the entire enterprise? High levels of accountability given there are people higher up who answer zero questions on the corruption stuff.

I admire your quest to support everything TAW, but come on mate, Guardiola is intelligent enough to know that City getting a better income stream than anyone else is ridiculous.

He knows they are cheating, and he benefits from it.  If you dont want to answer questions on dodgy owners, dont manage Manchester City.

[ljycb]

Isn’t it more the fact that the managers are the ones tasked with fronting the entire enterprise? High levels of accountability given there are people higher up who answer zero questions on the corruption stuff.

Yeah, I don’t think it’s particularly mad to say that while I might not agree (at all) with how Guardiola’s gone about it, the fact that the manager is almost always the first person having to speak on major off field matters with regards to their club is crap. See also Klopp in April 2021.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Yeah, I don’t think it’s particularly mad to say that while I might not agree (at all) with how Guardiola’s gone about it, the fact that the manager is almost always the first person having to speak on major off field matters with regards to their club is crap. See also Klopp in April 2021.

You are comparing a complicit manager with a non complicit one.  .

[ljycb]

You are comparing a complicit manager with a non complicit one.  .

No I’m not. I just believe that if any major off field incident happens at a football club, then it shouldn’t be down to someone whose main focus is on the field to front up and speak to the press about it. Like I said in the post you’re quoting, I don’t agree with how Guardiola’s gone about it at all. I think he’s made a show of himself and I don’t have any sympathy for him. But the proof that it’s a completely batshit way of handling things is right there in Guardiola’s comments on the record about Abu Dhabi owning Manchester City.

[Kenny's Jacket]

No I’m not. I just believe that if any major off field incident happens at a football club, then it shouldn’t be down to someone whose main focus is on the field to front up and speak to the press about it. Like I said in the post you’re quoting, I don’t agree with how Guardiola’s gone about it at all. I think he’s made a show of himself and I don’t have any sympathy for him. But the proof that it’s a completely batshit way of handling things is right there in Guardiola’s comments on the record about Abu Dhabi owning Manchester City.

So you dont have sympathy, which is my entire point. He doesnt deserve any.
Oh and yes yoy are.  FSG joining the ESL was a shock to Klopp and one he disagreed with (not complicit)
Guardiola knows City cant command those revenue streams and so must be cheating , but benefits from it. (complicit)

[ljycb]

So you dont have sympathy, which is my entire point. He doesnt deserve any.
Oh and yes yoy are.  FSG joining the ESL was a shock to Klopp and one he disagreed with (not complicit)
Guardiola knows City cant command those revenue streams and so must be cheating , but benefits from it. (complicit)

No I’m not. I’m just pointing out how it was shit that Klopp was made to front up. No comparisons made there. Just pointing out why I think it should never be the manager’s job. That’s the point that I’m making, and you’ve made yours. There’s nothing more to it.

[Kenny's Jacket]

No I’m not. I’ve made my point and you’ve made yours. There’s nothing more to it.

Your involvement in this discussion has been strange to say the least.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/complicit
complicit
adjective
UK  /kəmˈplɪs.ɪt/ US  /kəmˈplɪs.ɪt/
 
involved in or knowing about a crime or some activity that is wrong

[ljycb]

Your involvement in this discussion has been strange to say the least.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/complicit
complicit
adjective
UK  /kəmˈplɪs.ɪt/ US  /kəmˈplɪs.ɪt/
 
involved in or knowing about a crime or some activity that is wrong

Are we having two different conversations here? None of the points that I’ve been making have been to suggest that Guardiola is not complicit. Do you think that I believe Guardiola to be innocent in all of this? Let’s take it back to your original gripe - do you think Neil Atkinson believes that Guardiola is innocent in all of this? Because it’s certainly not what I’m suggesting - my problem is with cowards in a boardroom not coming forward to speak on major off field issues and leaving it to the manager. So you suggesting that I don’t think Guardiola is complicit is either yourself getting a little confused or yourself being a disingenuous little shit. Let me know.

[Kenny's Jacket]

you compared the situation with Klopp faced in 21 with the one Guardiola is in now

Yeah, I don’t think it’s particularly mad to say that while I might not agree (at all) with how Guardiola’s gone about it, the fact that the manager is almost always the first person having to speak on major off field matters with regards to their club is crap. See also Klopp in April 2021.

Then when I pointed out why that comparison was, in my opinion problematic, you denied making the comparison.

and then rudely suggested I was being disingenous.

As for Neils opinion; how can you have sympathy with him if you think hes not *innocent, and how can you think hes  *innocent, hence my original post saying it was a mad take.

*Ive used the word innocent mirror your question re Neil, I prefer the word complicit as the opposite of innocent is guilty and I dont think we can accuse him of false accounting.  Not wanting to be pedantic. I just want to make that distinction.

[Ghost Town]

Any chance we can return to talking about The Anfield Wrap?

[ljycb]

you compared the situation with Klopp faced in 21 with the one Guardiola is in now

Then when I pointed out why that comparison was, in my opinion problematic, you denied making the comparison.

and then rudely suggested I was being disingenous.

As for Neils opinion; how can you have sympathy with him if you think hes not *innocent, and how can you think hes  *innocent, hence my original post saying it was a mad take.

*Ive used the word innocent mirror your question re Neil, I prefer the word complicit as the opposite of innocent is guilty and I dont think we can accuse him of false accounting.  Not wanting to be pedantic. I just want to make that distinction.

Yeah, let's move on. I think the point that I'm making is quite clear, but if you disagree with me or find what I'm saying to be problematic then that's absolutely sound. If you were not being disingenuous then my apologies for suggesting that you were.

[red_Mark1980]

They should get the arsenal fan back on.

Also pancakes are garbage. That's why people throw all kinds of shit on them to make them vaguely edible.

If they were so good, you'd have them all year and plain

[Fitzy.]

I admire your quest to support everything TAW,

I don’t. Read my posts. I’ve regularly disagreed with opinions made on shows. I do, however, read stuff on here that I think is overdone in terms of criticism.

On the Guardiola point, I don’t think anyone is sympathetic towards his position on City’s corruption. That’s clearly not the point that was made on the show, nor the one I was proposing.

[Kenny's Jacket]

I don’t. Read my posts. I’ve regularly disagreed with opinions made on shows. I do, however, read stuff on here that I think is overdone in terms of criticism.

On the Guardiola point, I don’t think anyone is sympathetic towards his position on City’s corruption. That’s clearly not the point that was made on the show, nor the one I was proposing.

You were suggesting it should not be up to football managers to face questions on the owners. When you have a manager who is complicit and benefits drom the actions of the owners, I think its fair to ask them about it.

, I don’t think anyone is sympathetic towards his position on City’s corruption.

If there is no sympathy for him, then why give a fuck if he has to answer questions on the subject.

If you are complicit in a crime, you face questions, its how it works.

[Fitzy.]

You were suggesting it should not be up to football managers to face questions on the owners. When you have a manager who is complicit and benefits drom the actions of the owners, I think its fair to ask them about it.

If there is no sympathy for him, then why give a fuck if he has to answer questions on the subject.

If you are complicit in a crime, you face questions, its how it works.

Not invalid. But there are people more guilty of the workings of the club who get through life never answering anything while the manager does it twice a week. That’s a supreme imbalance in terms of scrutiny and accountability. That’s my basic point. Apologies if I’ve been, hitherto, unclear.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Not invalid. But there are people more guilty of the workings of the club who get through life never answering anything while the manager does it twice a week. That’s a supreme imbalance in terms of scrutiny and accountability. That’s my basic point. Apologies if I’ve been, hitherto, unclear.

This is evidently true, however I just don't think its enough to elicit sympathy for Guardiola, especially when hes posting ceebratory photos after they got off on technicalities with CAS.

[red_Mark1980]

So pancakes...

[Kenny's Jacket]

So pancakes...

Is Guttman doing a recipe?

[red_Mark1980]

Is Guttman doing a recipe?

Lizzy on AFQ was going on about how great they are and to be honest I'm tired of the TAW Pancake agenda, they are all on the Nutella payroll

[Crosby Nick]

Lizzy on AFQ was going on about how great they are and to be honest I'm tired of the TAW Pancake agenda, they are all on the Nutella payroll

Worried about losing access to My Old Dutch.

[Dougle]

Neil, great chat with the 2 lads on the Paris Independent Report. Really admirable men. Diligence, intelligence and patience. Really laid out the "big holes" dynamic that has kept repeating itself. Keep on it Neil, you did a great job of the interview. Fascinating.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Lizzy on AFQ was going on about how great they are and to be honest I'm tired of the TAW Pancake agenda, they are all on the Nutella payroll

Pancake Day isnt till next Tuesday, so Ill see you then.

[Zlen]

People putting Nutella on pancakes are doing it wrong anyway.
Nutella is so sugar heavy that it completely obliterates any other flavour.
Pancakes (crepes, not the weird, thick american shit) are best consumed with thin filling of various jams or honey/nut combos.

[Kenny's Jacket]

If Ghost Town thinks Neil's comments on Guardiola were off topic, wait till he sees all this pancake waffle, he will flip.

[stewy17]

Nutella pancakes are for anyone born after 1995.

True pancake connoisseurs will select jif lemon and sugar. End of.

[Crosby Nick]

Nutella pancakes are for anyone born after 1995.

True pancake connoisseurs will select jif lemon and sugar. End of.

It’s Cif now. And I prefer Viakal on there. Bit more industrial.

[stewy17]

It’s Cif now. And I prefer Viakal on there. Bit more industrial.

Do you live in a hard water area?

[Ghost Town]

If Ghost Town thinks Neil's comments on Guardiola were off topic, wait till he sees all this pancake waffle, he will flip.

You can Shrove it where the sun don't shine!



(best I could so )

[Kenny's Jacket]

You can Shrove it where the sun don't shine!



(best I could so )

Decent effort 

[red annie]

 

It’s Cif now. And I prefer Viakal on there. Bit more industrial.

I think Cif is scouring creme !!

[TepidT2O]

Today’s AFQ.


Andy’s opinion on our blue brethren has made me re-evaluate my position..  marvellous trolling 

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

The Friday Show… did Dan Austin say something about Sterling and Vardy being the same age? I was driving at the time so couldn’t look it up and it has stuck in my head all day. Turns out it’s not the case - Sterling is 28 and Vardy 36. Not sure if I misheard or it was something that went over my head.

[red_Mark1980]

The Friday Show… did Dan Austin say something about Sterling and Vardy being the same age? I was driving at the time so couldn’t look it up and it has stuck in my head all day. Turns out it’s not the case - Sterling is 28 and Vardy 36. Not sure if I misheard or it was something that went over my head.

It's the point that they've been playing for about the same amount of time.

In that sterling started young and Vardy was playing lower league until fairly late

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

It's the point that they've been playing for about the same amount of time.

In that sterling started young and Vardy was playing lower league until fairly late

Makes more sense now! Cheers

[red_Mark1980]

Really good room for under the lights, glad it wasn't one of the "talking about past games against them" types considering the opposition 

[redhokie8]

Would love a "review" with Sean Rogers and Paul Cope really discussing how the group have gotten to this point starting Paris and into preseason.

The impact of how that event has affected the team and the fanbase seems understated.

[Big Bamber]

Sidenote: 'The Dude' on today's Talking Craigs gives real Dudes a bad name.

[mikey_LFC]

In case people haven’t seen, Robbo and Copey have a new podcast together called The Late Challenge where the talk about pretty much anything. Bit of news, bit of football, bit of crisp chat and a fair bit more.

[A Red Abroad]

In case people haven’t seen, Robbo and Copey have a new podcast together called The Late Challenge where the talk about pretty much anything. Bit of news, bit of football, bit of crisp chat and a fair bit more.

Yeah, enjoying it so far.