Topic: The Labour Party (*)

[SP]

Hospital car parks around here tend to be rammed full even with the current charging regime. Given that many hospitals have prime central sites, you cannot just offer free parking - there is no free parking in the surrounding area, so it would be an invitation for commuters, shoppers and others to park for free.

You would need to work on the supermarket principle for validated parking. But then you run the risk of clinical staff having to enforce parking terms - making judgements as to who is entitled. I suppose you could draw the line at people attending appointments and close relatives visiting - how close is close though?

Through the joys of parenthood I have experienced many of the NHS's finest venues. And most of them have less parking than demand.

It is a costed measure and it is a populist gesture. But they need to start weaving a narrative. It still feels like some random gestures rather than a coherent offering.



 

[Jonny-B]

Hospital car parks around here tend to be rammed full even with the current charging regime. Given that many hospitals have prime central sites, you cannot just offer free parking - there is no free parking in the surrounding area, so it would be an invitation for commuters, shoppers and others to park for free.

You would need to work on the supermarket principle for validated parking. But then you run the risk of clinical staff having to enforce parking terms - making judgements as to who is entitled. I suppose you could draw the line at people attending appointments and close relatives visiting - how close is close though?

Through the joys of parenthood I have experienced many of the NHS's finest venues. And most of them have less parking than demand.

It is a costed measure and it is a populist gesture. But they need to start weaving a narrative. It still feels like some random gestures rather than a coherent offering.



 

Going to disagree with you slightly here as they're still charging parking for some of the new big out of town super hospitals which don't suffer from commuter issues. Often these new ones don't have decent public transport so you're stuck with having to drive.

Obviously not always the case though. Free parking with no validation at my current nearest hospital (RUH in Bath) would be bedlam.

[Crumble]

Hospital car parks around here tend to be rammed full even with the current charging regime. Given that many hospitals have prime central sites, you cannot just offer free parking - there is no free parking in the surrounding area, so it would be an invitation for commuters, shoppers and others to park for free.

You would need to work on the supermarket principle for validated parking. But then you run the risk of clinical staff having to enforce parking terms - making judgements as to who is entitled. I suppose you could draw the line at people attending appointments and close relatives visiting - how close is close though?

Through the joys of parenthood I have experienced many of the NHS's finest venues. And most of them have less parking than demand.

It is a costed measure and it is a populist gesture. But they need to start weaving a narrative. It still feels like some random gestures rather than a coherent offering.

When I was on chemotherapy, our local hospital gave free parking for cancer patients. It was simple to operate: you park up as normal, on the way out you pick up a free exit barrier ticket from reception. It saved me plenty. I don't see why this couldn't be extended as desired to any or all patients or visitors without giving a free pass to commuters and shoppers.

I do agree that there isn't much in the way of narrative to Labour's announcements as yet. Although they do all fit within a loose "the many not the few" story.

[TepidT2O]

A toxic association Corbyn is kryptonite... no idea why May is so high though...

[Elmo!]

Hospital car parks around here tend to be rammed full even with the current charging regime. Given that many hospitals have prime central sites, you cannot just offer free parking - there is no free parking in the surrounding area, so it would be an invitation for commuters, shoppers and others to park for free.

You would need to work on the supermarket principle for validated parking. But then you run the risk of clinical staff having to enforce parking terms - making judgements as to who is entitled. I suppose you could draw the line at people attending appointments and close relatives visiting - how close is close though?

Through the joys of parenthood I have experienced many of the NHS's finest venues. And most of them have less parking than demand.

It is a costed measure and it is a populist gesture. But they need to start weaving a narrative. It still feels like some random gestures rather than a coherent offering.

We've had free parking at all Scottish hospitals (apart from a couple that were built under PFI) for 9 years now. It did cause a few issues with residents having difficulty parking due to hospital staff having to park outside the hospital because the car parks were full but I think those issues were ironed out pretty quickly with things like resident parking zone restrictions. It has meant they have had to build a new multi storey car park at my local hospital but overall I think it has been popular.

[Zeb]

We've had free parking at all Scottish hospitals (apart from a couple that were built under PFI) for 9 years now. It did cause a few issues with residents having difficulty parking due to hospital staff having to park outside the hospital because the car parks were full but I think those issues were ironed out pretty quickly with things like resident parking zone restrictions. It has meant they have had to build a new multi storey car park at my local hospital but overall I think it has been popular.

I've actually had a clinical psychologist ask me if it's ok to delay an assessment for 10 minutes so she could nip out and move her car before she got a fine.

As we'll get with many of the Labour manifesto pledges, most of us will see sense in there to some degree or another. Shouldn't be getting NHS Trusts trying to generate revenue in this way to cover gaps in funding. On some things you can really see the difference between the devolved governments and the crap the Tories push out from Westminster.

[Cliff Bastin]

Jezza was supporting one side - armed nationalists - and hoping for total victory. He was involved in 'solidarity' talks with IRA leaders, not peace talks.

The IRA was brought to the negotiating table not by men like Corbyn and McDonnell but by those they hated - Major, Blair, Hume, Trimble. It was also brought to the table by a successful military intelligence strategy that so penetrated the IRA high command that it could no longer function.

If Corbyn was involved in the peace process, any historical documented proof that he held discussions with loyalist paramilitaries? I wonder how many people actually believe him or McDonnell on this.

[Purple Red]

Let's think about why Labour might have lost some of these mayoral elections...

You have to ask yourself if massive fucking incompetence might have been an issue.

Oh wow. I subscribe to the Labour newsletter and I received this email today:

This week it was revealed that the Tories plan to outspend us every day of this General Election, trying to drown out Labour's campaign.

They'll call on their super-rich donors and convince them to sign huge cheques.

We don't work like that. We believe that we can achieve more together than we'll achieve alone. While we don't have their war-chest, we have the collective strength of the many, donating an average of just £23.

With just 32 days to go, can you chip in to our people-funded campaign?
I'll donate £1
I'll donate £10
I'll donate £20
I'll match the average - £23
We will be outspent, but we won't be outnumbered. With so many Labour supporters and members dedicating their time and money, with cutting edge technology, and the Labour Party's vast campaigning experience, we can create a Britain for the many, not the few.

Thanks,

Team Labour

If they're going to ask for donations should they not actually make use of the funds they already have first? Gross incompetence and utterly outrageous hypocrisy to fire shots at the Tories for spending when they cannot even spend the money made available to them to gain ground.

[filopastry]

Oh wow. I subscribe to the Labour newsletter and I received this email today:

If they're going to ask for donations should they not actually make use of the funds they already have first? Gross incompetence and utterly outrageous hypocrisy to fire shots at the Tories for spending when they cannot even spend the money made available to them to gain ground.

I pretty much always donate to Labour during a campaign, however as I do think my donation for the Remain campaign during the EU referendum was a complete waste of money, I will not be repeating that on this occasion.

[So… Howard Philips]

Away from Bannergate just had a Labour canvasser at the door in our marginal seat.

Good to see that in the real world something positive is happening.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/corbyn-s-supporters-must-stop-shifting-the-blame-6n9rcq97v

[CornerFlag]

https://twitter.com/SimonDanczuk/status/861606075107336192

Many sad, much tears, so crying.

[BoRed]

Many sad, much tears, so crying.

Finally some good news.

[TheShanklyGates]

https://twitter.com/SimonDanczuk/status/861606075107336192

Many sad, much tears, so crying.

He's a twat but, I mean, he's not wrong here.

[classycarra]

He's a twat but, I mean, he's not wrong here.

Agreed. It's possible for twats to be correct, as I prove on here occasionally.

Doesn't bode well for Rochdale. When the UKIP voters go to the Cons, it'll be at risk. Especially if it's a non-local crony of Corbyn's. Let's see if Labour can hold it

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Agreed. It's possible for twats to be correct, as I prove on here occasionally.

Doesn't bode well for Rochdale. When the UKIP voters go to the Cons, it'll be at risk. Especially if it's a non-local crony of Corbyn's. Let's see if Labour can hold it

labour 2/1 on Tories 6/1 for that seat are the best odds, would imply labour will hold onto it

[classycarra]

labour 2/1 on Tories 6/1 for that seat are the best odds, would imply labour will hold onto it

But that's before we find out if Danczuk is running as an independent.

Good news is, Katy Clark isn't being parachuted in! They really can't inflict her on anyone, the poor fuckers, as much as they try

[TepidT2O]

From buzz feed

"I think it’s good that people go to all the alternative sites and check out what they want," he said. "I’ve read The Canary quite a bit, I’ve read yours, I do read a lot of them."

And there we have it.

He's just a fucking idiot...

How can we criticise Trump for watching Fox News whilst this utter lowlife does the same...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-sound-of-leamington-spa?utm_term=.xxGQwNnqv#.lwaRLO8oZ

[BoRed]

He's a twat but, I mean, he's not wrong here.

I'd say at least this bit is wrong: "With frontbench spokespeople, such as John McDonnell, continually obsessing about Karl Marx, the benefits of communism and celebrating the reign of Joseph Stalin ...", though invented would probably be a better word.

The only ones obsessing about any of those things have been McDonnell's opponents, both within and outside the party.

[cloggypop]

From buzz feed

And there we have it.

He's just a fucking idiot...

How can we criticise Trump for watching Fox News whilst this utter lowlife does the same...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-sound-of-leamington-spa?utm_term=.xxGQwNnqv#.lwaRLO8oZ

"There is a slight danger with social media in that people end up being an echo chamber of themselves and self-select what they want to read because it’s something they largely agree with," Corbyn said. "Of course it’s good to read about things you’re interested in or by someone you particularly like but it’s also important to expose yourself to the arguments of others. So I urge people to read widely."

Same article.

[Alan_X]

And:

The lifelong Eurosceptic will pledge support for the Brexit process but pledge to negotiate a different type of deal with the EU to Theresa May...

[Trada]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

[classycarra]

From buzz feed

And there we have it.

He's just a fucking idiot...

How can we criticise Trump for watching Fox News whilst this utter lowlife does the same...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-sound-of-leamington-spa?utm_term=.xxGQwNnqv#.lwaRLO8oZ

He refers to himself in the third person. That's bad enough. But as 'Monsieur Zen'? Cringeworthy as fuck, and hilarious when you see how pissed off he gets when journalists ask him questions.

Obviously the Canary stuff is batshit, but we already knew he holds weird beliefs (when he's brave enough to admit them). But the fact he's staying tells you all you need to know about the man.

Anyone who wants a Labour government needs to do what they can to get him out. Suemus Milne and Corbyn have a strategy of trying to match Milliband's vote share (in an election Labour lost...) so he can excuse himself from resigning - hence senior figures visiting safe seats in Oxford and Liverpool instead of campaigning sensibly.

Hope those members who reelected him have come to their senses, and are ready to do whatever it takes to rid Labour of this parasite when the opportunity arises.

[zebenzui]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

Fuck. Trada, please explain why that is a good thing. I beg you, give me something.

[classycarra]

"There is a slight danger with social media in that people end up being an echo chamber of themselves and self-select what they want to read because it’s something they largely agree with," Corbyn said. "Of course it’s good to read about things you’re interested in or by someone you particularly like but it’s also important to expose yourself to the arguments of others. So I urge people to read widely."

Same article.

Finally a worthwhile message for his Corbynistas!

[TepidT2O]

Finally a worthwhile message for his Corbynistas!

he should read the Beano too...

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

you really do love the Tories don't you?

From buzz feed

And there we have it.

He's just a fucking idiot...

How can we criticise Trump for watching Fox News whilst this utter lowlife does the same...

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/the-sound-of-leamington-spa?utm_term=.xxGQwNnqv#.lwaRLO8oZ

id say breitbart is a better comparison in this case. Just need Owen Jones to join the canary so he can be the Bannon in this role

[So… Howard Philips]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

Source?

[SP]

He refers to himself in the third person. That's bad enough. But as 'Monsieur Zen'? Cringeworthy as fuck, and hilarious when you see how pissed off he gets when journalists ask him questions.

Obviously the Canary stuff is batshit, but we already knew he holds weird beliefs (when he's brave enough to admit them). But the fact he's staying tells you all you need to know about the man.

Anyone who wants a Labour government needs to do what they can to get him out. Suemus Milne and Corbyn have a strategy of trying to match Milliband's vote share (in an election Labour lost...) so he can excuse himself from resigning - hence senior figures visiting safe seats in Oxford and Liverpool instead of campaigning sensibly.

Hope those members who reelected him have come to their senses, and are ready to do whatever it takes to rid Labour of this parasite when the opportunity arises.

Are there many safe seats?

[TepidT2O]

Fuck. Trada, please explain why that is a good thing. I beg you, give me something.

Dave won't give you a cogent reason why.

He never does.  Which is a shame, he genuinely seems like a lovely caring bloke, but trying to engage in a meangingful discussion is too often a bit of a dead end...

It's about faith rather than facts for many Corbyn supporters I suspect.. just my opinion, I could of course be entirely wrong.

[zero zero]

Source?

From the Buzzfeed article:

Jeremy Corbyn is enjoying his first general election as Labour leader, and he wants to make something very clear: He intends to remain in the job, even if he isn't victorious in next month's vote.

"I was elected leader of this party and I’ll stay leader of this party," Corbyn told BuzzFeed News, taking a few minutes out from campaigning in the Warwickshire town of Leamington Spa.

No matter what happens on 8 June, he said, he would be "carrying on". And he insisted that the constant criticism and poor poll ratings were not getting to him. "Monsieur Zen is fine," he said.

[classycarra]

Source?

It's the buzzfeed article quoted in the post above

You have to laugh at the transparent waffling turgid shite about Eastenders. 'We want you to look like a man of the people'. You can always tell when he's saying something preprepared. Problem is they've tried too hard, it's clearly unnatural. Like when kids lie and they end up rambling and adding loads of unnecessary extra detail to try to appear like they aren't

[classycarra]

From the Buzzfeed article:

The only supporting statement he has for being leader of the party is that he's currently the leader of the party. Such a radical new politics guys!

I liked this quote, could easily have been lifted from a Trump interview:

"I love it, I’ve spent my life travelling the length and breadth of this country supporting people and I’m doing it all again," Corbyn said, referring to the election as a continuation of the last two Labour leadership campaigns. "This is the third summer running out on the road!"

So much easier doing soft meet and greets, examing horny dogs, than it is to prepare a government in waiting eh. Why bother with that! Bet he already can't wait for the summer's leadership election now

[zero zero]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

This is a rousing speech with a month to go till the election!



Jeremy leads the faithful into battle

[classycarra]

How does the Labour leader cope with about the substantial number of lifelong Labour voters who say they still like the party but won’t vote for Jeremy Corbyn?

“It doesn’t get to me at all," he said. "What I would say is that is about the party as a whole, the policies we’re putting forward as a whole, and the individual messenger is the person who’s doing their best to put those policies forward. I was elected leader of this party, I’m proud to do it, and I’ll carry on doing it.”

More proof that the leadership is just a vanity project for him. If he felt it was about the party as a whole, and that the messenger isn't important, he'd have resigned some time ago and continued to 'influence' as an MP.

[classycarra]

This is a rousing speech with a month to go till the election!



Jeremy leads the faithful into battle

C'mon mate. Be fair to Jezza. At least quote his final inspiring rousing message:

"Listen guys," he said, "this is our chance to go and win."

Truly, we are lucky to walk among him. What an icon

[TheShanklyGates]

Fuck. Trada, please explain why that is a good thing. I beg you, give me something.

He won't answer. He never does.

[BoRed]

Well done Jeremy said he won't resign even if Labour loses.

To be fair, he never actually said that. He said he would stay leader, which suggests he is confident of winning the election. He never mentioned the possibility of losing, it's not in any of the direct quotes, looks like buzzfeed just put it in the title and in the text as their own interpretation.

[classycarra]

To be fair, he never actually said that. He said he would stay leader, which suggests he is confident of winning the election. He never mentioned the possibility of losing, it's not in any of the direct quotes, looks like buzzfeed just put it in the title and in the text as their own interpretation.

It's clear he was asked by the journalist what he would do if he lost.

[BoRed]

It's clear he was asked by the journalist what he would do if he lost.

I don't think it's as clear as that. As has been pointed out above, it would be wrong to even talk about the possibility of losing at this stage. Has May said what she'd do if she lost? Had Miliband done it before the last election? As pointless as it is, at this moment it's his job to at least pretend that losing is not on the agenda.