Topic: This Would Be Better Design

[redprodigal]

Would love something similar to this...


Believe it or not, seated, that stand only holds 12,000

4,000 less than our proposed new kop but looks just as intimidating!

Makes you wonder if we actually need a kop as big as planned?

12,000 for international games when the seats are put in but 25,000 for league games when it's standing:

The Stadium now hosts up to 80,708 fans (standing and seated) for league matches, and 67,000 seated spectators for international games. For these, the characteristic Southern grandstand is re-equipped with seats to conform with FIFA regulations.

The unique "Südtribüne" (Southern Stand), with 24,454 enthusiastic standing fans who fill the largest still existing terrace of Europe, makes this stadium one of the most fascinating football-stadiums in the world. It can be converted from standing places (for league games) and seats (for international matches) within two days.

[campioni]

That's before it was redeveloped isn't it?

i think thats after the last re-development where they put the corners in. that was in preparation for the 2006 World Cup.

[LiamG]

i think thats after the last re-development where they put the corners in. that was in preparation for the 2006 World Cup.

Correct! Makes you wonder why we need a bigger kop dosent it?

[Trousers]

Why couldnt this design been adjusted to fit a KOP?

It was if I'm not mistaken.

[LiamG]

that was a completley re-design though

[CraigDS]

Yup two totally different designs those.

[Alan_X]

Yup two totally different designs those.

It was. That was the competition scheme that AFL did when HKS did their revised (lower cost) scheme.  I was told by someone who was at the presentations that Gillett preferred the AFL scheme (possibly because it was cheaper) but was overruled by Hicks who wanted the HKS scheme.   

[campioni]

thats the first time i've seen those redesigned AFL photos. I like the look of that. We would have the kop we all want and the use of the glass roof would let in more light which should benefit the growth of the pitch.

does anyone know what the proposed capacity was for that AFL redesign?

[Trousers]

that was a completley re-design though

No it was AFL's revised stadium plan.
EDIT: Bugger. Alan beat me to it.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

Personally, I have always liked the plans for a full upgrade of St James Park ...

[LiamG]

as big as it is, i hated that idea!

What gets me is they should of got the best in the world to design our stadium and they never

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

as big as it is, i hated that idea!

It is not only about it's size (projected 80,000 seats) ...



Something like that would be the perfect football stadium ...

[royhendo]

^^ can see it from my bedroom window.

[Davvo7]

http://www.thisblogrules.com/2009/12/12-worlds-weirdest-stadiums.html

A few - not so serious - ideas in here.

[Spongebob Redpants]

http://www.thisblogrules.com/2009/12/12-worlds-weirdest-stadiums.html

A few - not so serious - ideas in here.

Fascinating those stadiums .

That one in the Ukraine though - what's that all about ?

[LiamG]

Something we could work from?

[fisher_lad]

It was if I'm not mistaken.

For me that doesn't represent what a Spion Kop should look like. A kop shouldnt flow like that and tie in with the rest of the stadium. Defiantly needs to be a structure that sits alone from the rest of the ground.

[TMOI]

For me that doesn't represent what a Spion Kop should look like. A kop shouldnt flow like that and tie in with the rest of the stadium. Defiantly needs to be a structure that sits alone from the rest of the ground.

Good point. I think the Kop should look 'special' (but still have the corners filled in). I like Westfalen too but I'm still a little bit disappointed that all the stands are the same height there.

[LiamG]

Good point. I think the Kop should look 'special' (but still have the corners filled in). I like Westfalen too but I'm still a little bit disappointed that all the stands are the same height there.

What difference does it make?

[TMOI]

What difference does it make?

The Kop has been an 'initimidating monster' of a place for opposing teams and this is as it should be. Westfalen is intimidating (despite having the requisite distance around the pitch) but because all the stands have a similar height the Südtribüne is, to a degree, just the 'South' stand ie. 'one of' instead of 'the'. No one would ever call The Kop simply 'kop', ignoring its history - it's not 'a' hill, it's THE Kop commemorating the Spion Kop and it should have a distinctive appearance. It's a subtle but important difference.

[crazeehorse]

imo the one thing [only thing] TOM and GEORGE did get right was the new stadium design

i hope the new investors go with this same stadium.   



   

I think that is the most awful stand in an awful design. Just ugly, unbalanced, looks like a airport hanger.

Dont let the gimps leave their awful legacy in concrete.Either a new stadium design or redevelope anfield, but not this thing..please.

[LiamG]

The Kop has been an 'initimidating monster' of a place for opposing teams and this is as it should be. Westfalen is intimidating (despite having the requisite distance around the pitch) but because all the stands have a similar height the Südtribüne is, to a degree, just the 'South' stand ie. 'one of' instead of 'the'. No one would ever call The Kop simply 'kop', ignoring its history - it's not 'a' hill, it's THE Kop commemorating the Spion Kop and it should have a distinctive appearance. It's a subtle but important difference.

I can kinda see where your coming from, So are you saying for all the stands should be smaller or bigger?

[TMOI]

I can kinda see where your coming from, So are you saying for all the stands should be smaller or bigger?

I am saying that Westfalen is good - really good, because it is intimidating. But the Kop should be great - a distinctive design, not just another stand. Not just more of the same.

[LiamG]

But it isn't more of the same

[TMOI]

But it isn't more of the same

It's good but it could be better

[blert596]

It's good but it could be better

Thank you Roy Walker

[ChaChaMooMoo]

That's before it was redeveloped isn't it?

If thats the stadium of Alemmania Aachen, then its definitely the new stadium. The old stadium, the Tivoli, is adjacent to the new stadium and is a whole lot smaller. The new stadium is huge, compared to the old one.

However I wouldnt want a design similar to that despite the seating capacity being close to 65,000 (i think). Anfield has to be intimidating. Something that will be missing if the stadium is designed as above.

[RJH]

If thats the stadium of Alemmania Aachen, then its definitely the new stadium. The old stadium, the Tivoli, is adjacent to the new stadium and is a whole lot smaller. The new stadium is huge, compared to the old one.

However I wouldnt want a design similar to that despite the seating capacity being close to 65,000 (i think). Anfield has to be intimidating. Something that will be missing if the stadium is designed as above.

It's the Westfalenstadion, Borussia Dortmund's ground.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

It's the Westfalenstadion, Borussia Dortmund's ground.

Ta. 

[LiamG]

It holds 67,000 seated, Even before the last re-development it still could hold 52,000 they increased it for the World Cup

[F412OUK]

It is not only about it's size (projected 80,000 seats) ...



Something like that would be the perfect football stadium ...

This is what I was talking about in terms of having a Kop that is really steep like that Newscastle stand, I feel it looks awesome and really intimidating, if I was on that pitch I would feel the fans right on top of me about to jump on me any minute. Especially with our fans, just imagine a stadium like that completely steep and full on a European night, with scarves and flags waving with an atmosphere to match that of Champs League semi against Chelsea, that would be boss. I always felt that Newcastle stand looks boss, if the whole stadium was complete and all four stands were the same like shown in the plans above somewhere, it would by my favourite stadium after Anfield ofcourse. I hope the new owners come down to the away game at St James be impressed by that.

[LiamG]

I dont think it would quite work, How many tiers are there in that stand, 4 or 2 its hard to tell whats a break and whats a seperate tier

[F412OUK]

I dont think it would quite work, How many tiers are there in that stand, 4 or 2 its hard to tell whats a break and whats a seperate tier

Personally dont think it would be that big a problem, we only need 1 single tier steep stand for the Kop, as for the rest of the stands they can have 2 or 3 tiers on steep stands, don't see a problem.

[red_til_i_die]

If Anfield can't be redeveloped  to make it 60k then i'm stuck between having something with the Wow aspect of the Allianz Area, or the Arizona Cardinal's stadium on the outside but to be like the Millenium stadium on the inside but one end just be a solid wall of seats with no tiers at one end.

Or having a stadium with the traditional brick on the outside like Anfield has now. A design to make it look like Anfield on the outside would be the best idea i suppose but just make the stands bigger.

[TMOI]

If Anfield can't be redeveloped  to make it 60k then i'm stuck between having something with the Wow aspect of the Allianz Area, or the Arizona Cardinal's stadium on the outside but to be like the Millenium stadium on the inside but one end just be a solid wall of seats with no tiers at one end.

Or having a stadium with the traditional brick on the outside like Anfield has now. A design to make it look like Anfield on the outside would be the best idea i suppose but just make the stands bigger.

If Anfield can't be redeveloped, you're going to be stuck with either nothing or a big fat debt to pay (to build a new stadium)- again.

[xerxes1]

If Anfield can't be redeveloped, you're going to be stuck with either nothing or a big fat debt to pay (to build a new stadium)- again.

................or a stadium which enables us to compete and prosper at the Euro top table in the first half of the 21st century if it can be funded without further damaging the team.

[TMOI]

................or a stadium which enables us to compete and prosper at the Euro top table in the first half of the 21st century if it can be funded without further damaging the team.

If you think we're going to compete by going BACK to having massive debt (that we've just got rid of), then you've got stars in your eyes (or a spangly shiny stadium).

[red_til_i_die]

If you think we're going to compete by going BACK to having massive debt (that we've just got rid of), then you've got stars in your eyes (or a spangly shiny stadium).

Arsenal have shown its do able but we'd need sponsorship to do it without it crippling the club. All depends how deep NESV's pockets are but none of us really know

[PhilV]

If Anfield can't be redeveloped  to make it 60k then i'm stuck between having something with the Wow aspect of the Allianz Area, or the Arizona Cardinal's stadium on the outside but to be like the Millenium stadium on the inside but one end just be a solid wall of seats with no tiers at one end.

Or having a stadium with the traditional brick on the outside like Anfield has now. A design to make it look like Anfield on the outside would be the best idea i suppose but just make the stands bigger.

the Arizona Cardinal's Stadium is AWESOME - I like the inside too, replace the RED ZONE with a Kop..... DONE.

[Promised to never post on RAWK again]

the Arizona Cardinal's Stadium is AWESOME - I like the inside too, replace the RED ZONE with a Kop..... DONE.

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