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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1680 on: February 5, 2020, 03:02:47 am »
I'm happy with the decision to field the kids and for Klopp to stay away.

I do however feel sorry for Shrewsbury as between the combination of TV money and gate receipt being lower this could have made a big difference to them.

I think this is actually an opportunity for Liverpool to completely turn the agenda and media/public opinion around by saying:

1) We were doing this out of principle to protect the players (as they have done).
2) We recognise the impact this has on the Shrews.
3) We'd like to arrange a friendly game where they get the gate in July.

All the players from the Euros would be missing, its an easy journey (ironically for the kids again) but I think it could be a real PR coup.

I don't really think we need do anything for Shrewsbury.

It's difficult to feel sorry for them. Their average gate this season in 6,409. The could have drawn the likes of Northampton, Brentford, Barnsley, Oxford, Hull, Millwall or Tranmere, but no, they drew the European and World Champions. They pulled in a capacity crowd of over 9,500 and didn't care that Salah and Co were not playing because they wanted to knock the current best club in the world out of the cup. They had their big chance to make their own history on their own patch in front of their own fans, and to also earn themselves what turned out to be a big payday away to Chelsea in the next round. They blew it, and only scraped a replay due to poor refereeing that gave a penalty for a foul outside the box.

The FA completely messed up so the replay came smack bang in the winter break. Having said that, even if it hadn't, ticket prices would have been slashed anyway. I mean hard pressed fans aren't going to fork out for an FA Cup replay against L1 opposition if the prices are similar to Premier League prices. As it turned out, the price structure guaranteed a virtual full house of 52,399. Not bad for a side that only got a reply in the first place due to a major mistake by the officials.

Anyway, they bring their team of seasoned pro's to Anfield, knowing full well they are playing against kids with an average age of less than 20. They know full well they have a bumper payday at Chelsea if they win. They had more fans in the away end than bother to turn up at their home matches yet, they blew it.

What more do they want?

I do understand that the smaller clubs need to make hay whilst the sun shines. I do fully understand that every quid counts, so with that in mind I think any above and beyond gesture towards Shrewsbury would be gratefully accepted and appreciated if it were to happen, but the fact remains, we owe them nothing.

Also, I don't for a minute think any such gesture would turn media/public opinion. The ones pushing the 'big bad wolf' narrative want to see bad in everything we do or don't do. All they would do in the face of any gesture from Liverpool is make out the club were somehow shamed into it and somehow feel guilt over something they have no guilt over.
« Last Edit: February 5, 2020, 03:05:11 am by Sons of pioneerS »
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1681 on: February 5, 2020, 03:07:22 am »
I'm happy with the decision to field the kids and for Klopp to stay away.

I do however feel sorry for Shrewsbury as between the combination of TV money and gate receipt being lower this could have made a big difference to them.

I think this is actually an opportunity for Liverpool to completely turn the agenda and media/public opinion around by saying:

1) We were doing this out of principle to protect the players (as they have done).
2) We recognise the impact this has on the Shrews.
3) We'd like to arrange a friendly game where they get the gate in July.

All the players from the Euros would be missing, its an easy journey (ironically for the kids again) but I think it could be a real PR coup.
I understand why you are suggesting this, but there are a few thoughts I have that make me think differently about this.

1. If we gave them some sort of charity, that would give them a huge advantage over their rivals.  How would that help our PR?
2. The price of the tickets and the appeal to TV broadcasters was based on the profile of the fixture.  Shrewsbury themselves don't have enough appeal to generate that draw, that's not in our control.  I'd argue the chance of an upset (Shrewsbury beating Liverpool at Anfield) was increased by the team selection and increased the liklihood of the game being attractive to TV audiences.
3. If Shrewsbury were good enough to beat our under 23 team, they'd have a match away at Chelsea next up.  They had a chance for another big pay day just didn't take it.  That's sport.
4. They weren't complaining that we played a hugely weakened team in the first match which then gave them a chance to earn a replay at Anfield and a financial boost.

We've heard so much about the magic of the FA Cup, but sadly Shrewsbury's conduct has taken away from what could have been really positive headlines for them.  They've made it clear, they just wanted the cash and are acting completely entitled.  So much for FA Cup magic.

We owe them nothing.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1682 on: February 5, 2020, 03:11:29 am »
I don't really think we need do anything for Shrewsbury.

It's difficult to feel sorry for them. Their average gate this season in 6,409. The could have drawn the likes of Northampton, Brentford, Barnsley, Oxford, Hull, Millwall or Tranmere, but no, they drew the European and World Champions. They pulled in a capacity crowd of over 9,500 and didn't care that Salah and Co were not playing because they wanted to knock the current best club in the world out of the cup. They had their big chance to make their own history on their own patch in front of their own fans, and to also earn themselves what turned out to be a big payday away to Chelsea in the next round. They blew it, and only scraped a replay due to poor refereeing that gave a penalty for a foul outside the box.

The FA completely messed up so the replay came smack bang in the winter break. Having said that, even if it hadn't, ticket prices would have been slashed anyway. I mean hard pressed fans aren't going to fork out for an FA Cup replay against L1 opposition if the prices are similar to Premier League prices. As it turned out, the price structure guaranteed a virtual full house of 52,399. Not bad for a side that only got a reply in the first place due to a major mistake by the officials.

Anyway, they bring their team of seasoned pro's to Anfield, knowing full well they are playing against kids with an average age of less than 20. They know full well they have a bumper payday at Chelsea if they win. They had more fans in the away end than bother to turn up at their home matches yet, they blew it.

What more do they want?

I do understand that the smaller clubs need to make hay whilst the sun shines. I do fully understand that every quid counts, so with that in mind I think any above and beyond gesture towards Shrewsbury would be gratefully accepted and appreciated if it were to happen, but the fact remains, we owe them nothing.

Also, I don't for a minute think any such gesture would turn media/public opinion. The ones pushing the 'big bad wolf' narrative want to see bad in everything we do or don't do. All they would do in the face of any gesture from Liverpool is make out the club were somehow shamed into it and somehow feel guilt over something they have no guilt over.
I didn't read this until after I posted my own reply.  Spot on, and put much better than my attempt at 3am.  ;D

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1683 on: February 5, 2020, 03:18:21 am »
I didn't read this until after I posted my own reply.  Spot on, and put much better than my attempt at 3am.  ;D

We must have been typing at pretty much the same time.   :)

I wish I'd have seen your's first. It would have saved me writing mine.  ;D  Looks like we both had the same thoughts.

Funny how they all go on about the ''magic of the cup' when the reality seems to be that it's just all about the ...

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1684 on: February 5, 2020, 06:46:55 am »
Why are people suggesting we owe Shrewsbury?

They`ve just made a nice few quid from two ties against us but people feel we owe them more?

I also take it they were paid for being shown on the BBC? Would they have been paid for being shown on the BBC if they were drawn against a lesser team than us?


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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1685 on: February 5, 2020, 10:14:21 am »
Why are people suggesting we owe Shrewsbury?

They`ve just made a nice few quid from two ties against us but people feel we owe them more?

I also take it they were paid for being shown on the BBC? Would they have been paid for being shown on the BBC if they were drawn against a lesser team than us?
Totally agree with this, Prof and Sos.

Not criticising anyone in particular here, but it's a recurring theme on here that whenever there's some kind of media frenzy about us, some of our own seem overly keen to ignore the club's line and adopt the populist media stance.

Now I understand that the poster that said we should do something for Shrewsbury was talking in terms of getting some positive PR by generating money for them, but it's totally unnecessary.

They did well out of the first game - no complaints about a weakened team then by the way - a sell out and TV.
If we go full strength, there is no replay ( we may not be on 73 points either, but that's a different story).
What they did earn should be seen as a bonus, and while we reduced prices, the starting point was domestic cup league one prices, not full premier league.
If anyone needs to justify their stance, it's the FA for not televising the game.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1686 on: February 5, 2020, 02:18:00 pm »
The FA must be kicking themselves today. Klopp has played a blinder there.

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« Reply #1687 on: February 5, 2020, 02:26:55 pm »
Maybe not for this forum but what did the FA actually make any direct comments on this replay and it being televised or just worked behind the scenes out of spite.

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« Reply #1688 on: February 5, 2020, 02:31:53 pm »
It's ok, Shrewsbury wouldn't have felt sorry for beating a bunch of U23 players either.

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« Reply #1689 on: February 5, 2020, 02:51:54 pm »
The FA must be kicking themselves today. Klopp has played a blinder there.

He has put his message through, AND we qualified for the next round. Wow!

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
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« Reply #1691 on: February 7, 2020, 12:29:10 pm »
Won his 5th MOTM award for Jan. That's 5 so far this season, only missed out on it for October.

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« Reply #1692 on: February 7, 2020, 12:37:02 pm »
Won his 5th MOTM award for Jan. That's 5 so far this season, only missed out on it for October.
Any idea what the most a manager has won in one season?

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« Reply #1693 on: February 7, 2020, 12:38:04 pm »
Any idea what the most a manager has won in one season?

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« Reply #1694 on: February 7, 2020, 12:39:42 pm »
Any idea what the most a manager has won in one season?

I read it was four so (if true) this is a record.

It's ridiculous and to be fair hilarious, that Klopp has won it more this season than Mourinho has in his career
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« Reply #1695 on: February 7, 2020, 01:05:09 pm »


It's as if Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley had a cool German baby together...
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« Reply #1696 on: February 7, 2020, 01:20:12 pm »
Klopp - 5 - 2019/20  ;D
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« Reply #1697 on: February 7, 2020, 01:47:50 pm »
Won't be long until he picks up six either I would imagine.

We are truly blessed to have this man at the helm.

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« Reply #1698 on: February 7, 2020, 01:59:34 pm »
Won't be long until he picks up six either I would imagine.

We are truly blessed to have this man at the helm.

He'll be unbearable.  ;D
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« Reply #1699 on: February 7, 2020, 02:14:10 pm »
Which manager got the other one? He should've gotten 6 already
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« Reply #1700 on: February 7, 2020, 02:35:18 pm »
Which manager got the other one? He should've gotten 6 already

Wilder?
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« Reply #1701 on: February 7, 2020, 02:35:57 pm »
Does he still get a gallon of Bell's?

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« Reply #1702 on: February 7, 2020, 02:39:55 pm »
Does he still get a gallon of Bell's?

Aye seen that one with bob and abar 20 gallon bottle of bells :D

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« Reply #1703 on: February 7, 2020, 02:40:06 pm »
Which manager got the other one? He should've gotten 6 already

Wilder?

Aargh! Which fucking manger got the twatting other one? He fucking should've got fucking wanking 6 already! Grrrr! Yowl!
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« Reply #1704 on: February 7, 2020, 02:42:30 pm »
Does he still get a gallon of Bell's?
Dunno, but Ancelotti has a bunch of bells every week
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« Reply #1705 on: February 7, 2020, 02:42:51 pm »
Lampard won it in October. Think Chelsea won all their games while we had our one draw
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« Reply #1706 on: February 7, 2020, 02:56:32 pm »
Lampard won it in October. Think Chelsea won all their games while we had our one draw

Yeah they beat Southampton 1-4, Newcastle 1-0 and Burnley 2-4.

We beat Leicester 2-1, drew 1-1 with United and beat Spurs 2-1.

We had the much harder games like.

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« Reply #1707 on: February 7, 2020, 03:07:22 pm »
Aye seen that one with bob and abar 20 gallon bottle of bells :D
He used to give them to the pensioners if I remember. Good days.
Dunno, but Ancelotti has a bunch of bells every week
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« Reply #1708 on: February 7, 2020, 03:23:11 pm »
Aargh! Which fucking manger got the twatting other one? He fucking should've got fucking wanking 6 already! Grrrr! Yowl!

I got this one... :D

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« Reply #1709 on: February 7, 2020, 04:45:34 pm »
One thing I’ve noticed from watching the inside Anfield videos is that pre match Klopp always does the pre match briefing with the referee himself whereas opposing managers always send any Tom dick or Harry in. Wonder if there is anything in this.

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« Reply #1710 on: February 7, 2020, 10:42:57 pm »
Does he still get a gallon of Bell's?

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« Reply #1711 on: February 7, 2020, 10:50:51 pm »
One thing I’ve noticed from watching the inside Anfield videos is that pre match Klopp always does the pre match briefing with the referee himself whereas opposing managers always send any Tom dick or Harry in. Wonder if there is anything in this.

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« Reply #1712 on: February 7, 2020, 10:52:19 pm »
Klopp is that much of a genius that he has turned Pep & the bitter sky blue gobshites into doubters!


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« Reply #1713 on: February 7, 2020, 11:42:14 pm »
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« Reply #1714 on: February 7, 2020, 11:46:55 pm »
Quick quiz...

Klopp has won MOTM a total of 8 times now.

3 managers have won it more, name them....

10 times:
15 times:
27 times:

Bonus points for naming the 2 managers on 8 times too.

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« Reply #1715 on: February 8, 2020, 12:34:46 am »
There's no chance the top two aren't Ferguson and Wenger.

I'll take a shot at the biggest winner in the history of winning being the 3rd one, namely one David Moyes.

The other two with 8 are probably brits who has managed for a long time in the Premier League (Redknapp/Allardyce/Hughes/Pardew/Bruce/O'Neill) but with an outside chance Pep or Rafa gets in as well.

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« Reply #1716 on: February 8, 2020, 12:43:01 am »
There's no chance the top two aren't Ferguson and Wenger.

I'll take a shot at the biggest winner in the history of winning being the 3rd one, namely one David Moyes.

The other two with 8 are probably brits who has managed for a long time in the Premier League (Redknapp/Allardyce/Hughes/Pardew/Bruce/O'Neill) but with an outside chance Pep or Rafa gets in as well.

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« Reply #1717 on: February 8, 2020, 03:23:12 am »
No, he will actually be taking a break. Melwood will be closed for a week.

He said in an interview that each player has been given individual training plans for the week off, but just light work to keep their legs ticking over, nothing involving kicking a ball.

I was talking about the international break not this winter break. Haha.
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« Reply #1718 on: February 8, 2020, 07:18:57 am »
No, he will actually be taking a break. Melwood will be closed for a week.

He said in an interview that each player has been given individual training plans for the week off, but just light work to keep their legs ticking over, nothing involving kicking a ball.



Melwood looks very open.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #1719 on: February 8, 2020, 09:38:07 am »
One thing I’ve noticed from watching the inside Anfield videos is that pre match Klopp always does the pre match briefing with the referee himself whereas opposing managers always send any Tom dick or Harry in. Wonder if there is anything in this.

I've always assumed that it's visiting foreign managers who maybe don't have enough of a grasp of English for a conversation sending their assistant/most fluent coach.
"The nicest thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive."

~ Kenneth Williams, with whom I'm noddingly acquainted. Socially impressed?