Topic: Jürgen Klopp

[So… Howard Philips]

Been a few lately

Just about to post the same. As I said it was very similar to two letters recently published in the Echo making the same semi-veiled attacks on Klopp.

[Sangria]

Reading back, a claim was made that Klopp is the best ever Liverpool manager, for me that's bollocks but if he sees out his contract and the Champion's Wall has a few more numbers, it will be a worthy debate at the time.
I have decent memory of the last half of Shanks reign and the comparisons between him and Klopp are many. Charisma, humour, focus, a gift for delegation, all coupled with a brain that in football terms was/is as big as Einstein's. They both had/have something evangelistic about them. Who can ever forget the two fans kissing Shankly's feet at the '74 cup final. (I just tried to find video and Googled, 'fans kissing Shankly's feet' and a load of gay porn videos have appeared. The missus is currently giving me a worrying look.) 

Google doesn't just search on your most recent search terms, so it may be giving you results based on your other interests as well.

BTW, if you want to know who's the greatest of all time, use those actual words. Don't use an abbreviation, and don't mistype it if you're using the abbreviation.

[RobbieRedman]

Ken is right we shouldn't get carried away. As he said even Di Matteo won a champions League. Klopp must be bored as fuck. Hope he sees the season out.
Thanks Ken . Great first post.

[El Lobo]

I've been thinking about the FA Cup stance over the last week and for me I'm a little disappointed in our manager.

When I was younger I spent some time living in the south of France and people there were fond of the FA Cup and I know football supporters in other countries have enjoyed following the English FA Cup too.

We welcome foreign players and managers here, we go on to adore them and many of them all say playing or managing in England is something of a dream come true or an ambition realised for them.

If it's a dream come true why do they want to try and change the tradition of the FA Cup?

This is a competition that helps a hell of a lot of smaller clubs, it connects the big time football to the grass roots football, a small club like Shrewsbury getting a replay and coming to Anfield is something that will provide Shrews fans with a memory they forever remember.

Now we can't even show the respect to field a decent side or have our first team manager attend, Jurgen said he's "taking a stand to force a change" but with the quality we have both in our first team and fringe teams we should have really been able to beat a mid table League One side, the fact that we didn't says they deserve the reply and we should address it with professionalism.

I remember a few years ago when a certain Roberto Martinez of Everton criticised little Swansea for being defensive in a Premier League game, Gaurdiola has also criticised the smaller Premier League clubs for playing defensively against his expensive team, almost like the small teams should just let the big team win.

I love Jurgen and what he's done for us but to be trying to force changes in a traditional part of our game is wrong, no matter how many things you win does not give you the right to start trying to force changes, even Roberto Di Matteo won a Champions League.

Personally I would like to see us try and win everything we play in, we have plenty of quality to rotate, we are miles ahead in the league, I recall Rafa fielding a weaker team in the league to field a stronger one in a Champions League game - we are lucky enough to be in a position to be able to do that and still win the league, though we don't need to.

The FA Cup is prestigious and traditional, lets respect it, don't try to change it to make it easier for us and take the chance of smaller clubs getting a big day out... it's already a disgrace that VAR is only used for Premier League teams at home in the FA Cup when it should be used for all clubs or no clubs.

I just hope that Jurgen isn't getting bored, 2 CL finals, winning the CL and now most likely winning the league, the motivation may fade, if Manchester City win the Champions League this season I think Guardiola would go because I think his motivation has already faded.

Welcome Ken, and congratulations for a great steaming turd of an opener.

[Ghost Town]

BTW, if you want to know who's the greatest of all time, use those actual words. Don't use an abbreviation, and don't mistype it if you're using the abbreviation.

Everyone rushes off to google GAOT

[JC the Messiah]

We welcome foreign players and managers here, we go on to adore them and many of them all say playing or managing in England is something of a dream come true or an ambition realised for them.

Jesus wept.

This is a competition that helps a hell of a lot of smaller clubs, it connects the big time football to the grass roots football, a small club like Shrewsbury getting a replay and coming to Anfield is something that will provide Shrews fans with a memory they forever remember.

You're contradicting yourself. If Liverpool had put out their first team against Shrewsbury, we'd have pummeled them and there'd be no replay. Make your mind up.

[Sangria]

Everyone rushes off to google GAOT

It gets dodgy when they're looking for the greatest players of all time, and google GOATs and mistype it.

[meady1981]

Retraction

Regarding a comment made at a late hour on the evening of last night, we outlandishly suggested that Jürgen Klopp was the greatest ever manager of all time ever in your face old people. Our client would like to retract said statement and replace it with ‘he’s just really fucking great in his own right and not comparable to anyone, all hail Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley how dare we even go there sister’. Our lawyers would like to point out that our client had taken alcohol and his judgement may have been clouded therefore negating any responsibility for his actions. IF Jürgen Klopp goes on to win 3 European cups and 5 league titles, we invite you to join us at our planned Jürgen Klopp hotel and apologise to us and the Jürgen Klopp hologram.

Good day.

[El Lobo]

I didn’t even think about this, but he was right in talking about that Man City loss. 11mm from what....64 games unbeaten in the league.

[jillcwhomever]

Retraction

Regarding a comment made at a late hour on the evening of last night, we outlandishly suggested that Jürgen Klopp was the greatest ever manager of all time ever in your face old people. Our client would like to retract said statement and replace it with ‘he’s just really fucking great in his own right and not comparable to anyone, all hail Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley how dare we even go there sister’. Our lawyers would like to point out that our client had taken alcohol and his judgement may have been clouded therefore negating any responsibility for his actions. IF Jürgen Klopp goes on to win 3 European cups and 5 league titles, we invite you to join us at our planned Jürgen Klopp hotel and apologise to us and the Jürgen Klopp hologram.

Good day.

Don't worry mate. I realised you weren't being disrespectful at all. The negative impact of media organisations like Sky is this idea that everything today has to be better than what football used to be. Therefore people are forever going on about whose the greatest, this team is the best of the best. The problem with all that is you spend too much time discussing and not enough time enjoying what you actually have at the moment. This spell won't last forever and we all need to take a step back, embrace it and make the most of it. When you think of where we started off at the beginning of the decade, this journey with Klopp has been amazing, there is no other word for it. Let's all drink it up and enjoy it for what it is.

[Armand9]

For me, there’s no question anymore. He’s our greatest ever manager. The team we see now is completely in his image. He is the architect of who we are. He said at the beginning of this season that to win it would take 100 points. Every decision on player ability, fitness, game time, in-game management has been planned out exactly to reach that. The competence of this man, the charisma, the levity, his team around him and the players he has grouped together is beyond comparison. Shankly made Liverpool great, but Klopp has built something that has never been seen before and I don’t think will be seen again.

Soak it all in, when this man goes, no manager that follows will be able to live up to what’s happening as it’s all down to him. Nothing will compare for many years.

to me shankly is liverpool fc, but putting that to one side, i think you need to look up bob paisley's longgggggggggg list of trophies as manager (

klopp is awesome, i wouldn't want anyone else at the helm and what he's achieving with this team at this time is quite remarkable, but please, get a perspective

in time, who knows, but at this time, as wonderful as he may be, he isn't close to being our best manager ever

[Red Beret]

I've been thinking about the FA Cup stance over the last week and for me I'm a little disappointed in our manager.

When I was younger I spent some time living in the south of France and people there were fond of the FA Cup and I know football supporters in other countries have enjoyed following the English FA Cup too.

We welcome foreign players and managers here, we go on to adore them and many of them all say playing or managing in England is something of a dream come true or an ambition realised for them.

If it's a dream come true why do they want to try and change the tradition of the FA Cup?

This is a competition that helps a hell of a lot of smaller clubs, it connects the big time football to the grass roots football, a small club like Shrewsbury getting a replay and coming to Anfield is something that will provide Shrews fans with a memory they forever remember.

Now we can't even show the respect to field a decent side or have our first team manager attend, Jurgen said he's "taking a stand to force a change" but with the quality we have both in our first team and fringe teams we should have really been able to beat a mid table League One side, the fact that we didn't says they deserve the reply and we should address it with professionalism.

I remember a few years ago when a certain Roberto Martinez of Everton criticised little Swansea for being defensive in a Premier League game, Gaurdiola has also criticised the smaller Premier League clubs for playing defensively against his expensive team, almost like the small teams should just let the big team win.

I love Jurgen and what he's done for us but to be trying to force changes in a traditional part of our game is wrong, no matter how many things you win does not give you the right to start trying to force changes, even Roberto Di Matteo won a Champions League.

Personally I would like to see us try and win everything we play in, we have plenty of quality to rotate, we are miles ahead in the league, I recall Rafa fielding a weaker team in the league to field a stronger one in a Champions League game - we are lucky enough to be in a position to be able to do that and still win the league, though we don't need to.

The FA Cup is prestigious and traditional, lets respect it, don't try to change it to make it easier for us and take the chance of smaller clubs getting a big day out... it's already a disgrace that VAR is only used for Premier League teams at home in the FA Cup when it should be used for all clubs or no clubs.

I just hope that Jurgen isn't getting bored, 2 CL finals, winning the CL and now most likely winning the league, the motivation may fade, if Manchester City win the Champions League this season I think Guardiola would go because I think his motivation has already faded.

Did you vote Leave by any chance?

[DangerScouse]

For me, there’s no question anymore. He’s our greatest ever manager. The team we see now is completely in his image. He is the architect of who we are. He said at the beginning of this season that to win it would take 100 points. Every decision on player ability, fitness, game time, in-game management has been planned out exactly to reach that. The competence of this man, the charisma, the levity, his team around him and the players he has grouped together is beyond comparison. Shankly made Liverpool great, but Klopp has built something that has never been seen before and I don’t think will be seen again.

Soak it all in, when this man goes, no manager that follows will be able to live up to what’s happening as it’s all down to him. Nothing will compare for many years.

Sorry, but is this a pisstake?

[Medellin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/thisisanfield/status/1223719427545403393

[rob1966]

Don't worry mate. I realised you weren't being disrespectful at all. The negative impact of media organisations like Sky is this idea that everything today has to be better than what football used to be. Therefore people are forever going on about whose the greatest, this team is the best of the best. The problem with all that is you spend too much time discussing and not enough time enjoying what you actually have at the moment. This spell won't last forever and we all need to take a step back, embrace it and make the most of it. When you think of where we started off at the beginning of the decade, this journey with Klopp has been amazing, there is no other word for it. Let's all drink it up and enjoy it for what it is.

My issue is that, since Sky invented football in 1992, everything before it has been consigned to nothingness, like it never existed. Liverpool supporters used to be lauded for being knowledgeable, yet I read on here, from various posters, of how this player is the greatest ever, this is the greatest ever blah blah blah. We have a duty to keep the greats of our past in focus, that they are never forgotten, nor what the achieved is allowed to be diminished, that wonderful statue of Bob was unvieled this week as a timely reminder of a true great.

Rafa is now airbrushed, by a minority, out of our history, even though he dragged us from nowhere to No1 in Europe and who knows what he could have achieved without all the internal chaos the club suffered. Klopp could be a great or it could all blow up like mad, none of us know.

I agree, enjoy the ride, special things are happening and a 30 year wait is ending. Its a wonderful time to be a red.

[Red Beret]

Ranking LFC managers is a fool's errand. You can't just gauge it by trophies won as it's impossible not to be subjective,  and each generation will have their own experiences.

Example: Kenny never had a realistic shot at a European trophy with us, but nobody will contest he gave his heart, soul and guts to this club and our city in a way few managers or players would ever realistically be expected to. Rafa put his job on the line against our owners when another man would have kept quiet. What does comparison achieve?

All we need to know is that, in the next couple of months, Klopp will cement his Legendary status at Liverpool Football Club. The first manager since The King to win a title; and the first to mount consecutive title challenges; our first manager since Rafa to win silverware in consecutive seasons.

Jurgen's accolades are his own and should be celebrated as such. He's made the people happy, in a way we've not felt in a long time, and that I had begun to fear we would never experience again.

Just enjoy it.

[Ghost Town]

My issue is that, since Sky invented football in 1992, everything before it has been consigned to nothingness, like it never existed. Liverpool supporters used to be lauded for being knowledgeable, yet I read on here, from various posters, of how this player is the greatest ever, this is the greatest ever blah blah blah. We have a duty to keep the greats of our past in focus, that they are never forgotten, nor what the achieved is allowed to be diminished, that wonderful statue of Bob was unvieled this week as a timely reminder of a true great.

Rafa is now airbrushed, by a minority, out of our history, even though he dragged us from nowhere to No1 in Europe and who knows what he could have achieved without all the internal chaos the club suffered. Klopp could be a great or it could all blow up like mad, none of us know.

I agree, enjoy the ride, special things are happening and a 30 year wait is ending. Its a wonderful time to be a red.

Good post Rob. It's the same dynamic which sees some popular current no marks win ''Best band of all time'' votes, or the latest TV series being dubbed the best show of all time, and so on. It's called recency bias, and as you say, we have a duty to make sure that past greats are not forgotten, otherwise recency will be all we have left.

It's sad the way Rafa is sidelined by some these days. He put together an extraordinary team on peanuts and under useless owners; for a while we were not only No 1 in Europe but you never expected to lose any European tie, so slick was the machine. If Rafa had had FSG as owners and good money available to spend if needed and Edwards and his team and their Large Hadron Collider of scouting, then who knows what he might have achieved. It's a bit depressing to see some LFC fans talk about ''Rafa fans'' as if those who still value and cherish him are some kind of misguided clique among the fanbase.

At least Bill and Bob and Joe and Kenny are still valued higher, albeit underrated much of the time

[Sangria]

Good post Rob. It's the same dynamic which sees some popular current no marks win ''Best band of all time'' votes, or the latest TV series being dubbed the best show of all time, and so on. It's called recency bias, and as you say, we have a duty to make sure that past greats are not forgotten, otherwise recency will be all we have left.

It's sad the way Rafa is sidelined by some these days. He put together an extraordinary team on peanuts and under useless owners; for a while we were not only No 1 in Europe but you never expected to lose any European tie, so slick was the machine. If Rafa had had FSG as owners and good money available to spend if needed and Edwards and his team and their Large Hadron Collider of scouting, then who knows what he might have achieved. It's a bit depressing to see some LFC fans talk about ''Rafa fans'' as if those who still value and cherish him are some kind of misguided clique among the fanbase.

At least Bill and Bob and Joe and Kenny are still valued higher, albeit underrated much of the time

All the heads on that famous banner are exceptional people (I know less about Fagan than the others, but all the boot room seem to be of similar material).

Footballwise, one of my favourite matches is the 0-1 win at Stamford Bridge in 2008 with Alonso's deflected winner. The winner wasn't memorable, and it didn't lead to any silverware. But it was Chelsea's first loss at home in 5 years (our current brilliant run is still 2 years short of that record), and more importantly, it was the finest demonstration I've seen of control against a top class opponent. We didn't go at a single tempo throughout, we didn't utterly spend ourselves in an unrepeatable frenzy as we can sometimes do. It was a measured manipulation of a top notch team that never took much out of us, as we let them pound themselves against us for periods, only to throw them off balance for short bursts just to mentally exhaust them even more. By the end of the match, Chelsea were physically and mentally spent, but we looked good to go for another 90 minutes immediately.

[Samie]

Lads we can all agree the Owl is THE worst manager we'll probably ever have. 

[Illmatic]

Rename the Kop the Klopp, or Klopp's Kop!

[naYoRHa2b]

Lads we can all agree the Owl is THE worst manager we'll probably ever have. 

Hmmm. I mean he was/is shit and also talked shit and signed shit. But it was under the cancers. Souness dismantled a team and set us back how many years?

[Samie]

Souness was a legendary player for us and yeah as a manager he was crap but he's above the owl-ly owl face twat.

[jillcwhomever]

My issue is that, since Sky invented football in 1992, everything before it has been consigned to nothingness, like it never existed. Liverpool supporters used to be lauded for being knowledgeable, yet I read on here, from various posters, of how this player is the greatest ever, this is the greatest ever blah blah blah. We have a duty to keep the greats of our past in focus, that they are never forgotten, nor what the achieved is allowed to be diminished, that wonderful statue of Bob was unvieled this week as a timely reminder of a true great.

Rafa is now airbrushed, by a minority, out of our history, even though he dragged us from nowhere to No1 in Europe and who knows what he could have achieved without all the internal chaos the club suffered. Klopp could be a great or it could all blow up like mad, none of us know.

I agree, enjoy the ride, special things are happening and a 30 year wait is ending. Its a wonderful time to be a red.

When you consider where we were when he first came him, it has been an amazing journey. He has won a Champion's League and looks as though he will win us our first title in thirty years, by those things alone he will be remembered as one of the greats. I don't get this obsession with people having to put everyone in some sort of order. How do you define any of it anyway when everything has a different era attached to it, say nothing of how the state of the club is at a set time. There are plenty of people who believe Bob hasn't had enough credit also.

I am very conflicted with the stuff about Rafa. I am certainly not one of those who would attempt to airbrush him from history, I am quite aware of what he achieved with us and the circumstances of his time here. But one of the biggest challenges for every manager who came after him, was that certain fans wouldn't let Rafa go. Every time a manager hit a bad spot, people would start mentioning his name, he should be back in the manager's chair, it wasn't fair what happened to him etc etc. We were such a split fan base at that time. I remember going through a spell where I wondered if anyone could unite the fan base back then. That remained my biggest fear up until Klopp was appointed. But even he had rocky moments and the mumblings began again. I absolutely understand people when they sympathize with how it ended for Rafa, I too was gutted when he went. But it did feel sometimes as if some people wouldn't let it go until he was appointed once more.

I agree we have to protect all the managers and their achievements of the past, but sometimes you have to be able to accept that certain things happen in life which are unfair.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Rename the Kop the Klopp, or Klopp's Kop!

And change the name to Liverpool Raiders.

[Kovai Red]

Success has many fathers and Jurgen has a part in it.

[DHKopper]

Ken .  Can't wait for his next post.

[jillcwhomever]

Success has many fathers and Jurgen has a part in it.

Loved that banner. 

[scutty]

(I just tried to find video and Googled, 'fans kissing Shankly's feet' and a load of gay porn videos have appeared. The missus is currently giving me a worrying look.)

I'm not surprised she's worried.

You know what you've been googling recently and now your wife does 

[reddebs]

Jurgen and this squad of players are making their own history. 

It's a history that will sit respectfully and happily alongside our other history makers but it's different due to how much has changed since we were last this good.

I've seen many greats in my time following this beautiful club.  Players, managers, even administrators, have all contributed to it's success so I'm not convinced that it matters who were the best.

Now I'm only 60 so I never saw the likes of Liddel, Scott, Paisley, Busby etc play but I know they were greats in their own right.  They still needed their team mates though just like now.

In another 20 or 30 years the next generation of fans will be arguing with those of you who are 30ish now whether or not they are witnessing the best ever.

[Alf]

You know what you don't see any more, them ridiculous comparisons with Brendan Rodgers after the same amount of games.

This is a very special time to support us, we should savour every moment.

[Nitramdorf]

I love our Jurgen. I bet he would be honoured to have met Bill and Bob. They would love him as well. What a meeting if minds that would be.

Hes that good he even makes us improve on days when we aren't playing.

[El Lobo]

You know what you don't see any more

An old man eating a Twix?

[scouseman]

I would give anything for a Klopp hug. It must be amazing. The thought of it gives me great happiness. The fact that his team would do anything for him speaks volumes of the man. We are so lucky to have him as our manager. Best decision to hire him in recent memory. I will never forget on RAWK the happiness we all had looking for his plane when he first signed as manager.   

[rob1966]

One thing that hit me this morning, I'm sure that during his initial press conference when he was announced as our manager, he said something about winning the League in 4 years.

[King Kennys Pumas]

He did indeed. Almost like he had plan.

[Rosario]

I remember a few years ago when a certain Roberto Martinez of Everton criticised little Swansea for being defensive in a Premier League game, Gaurdiola has also criticised the smaller Premier League clubs for playing defensively against his expensive team, almost like the small teams should just let the big team win.

I love Jurgen and what he's done for us but to be trying to force changes in a traditional part of our game is wrong, no matter how many things you win does not give you the right to start trying to force changes, even Roberto Di Matteo won a Champions League.

Surely gotta be a blue on a wind up

Like who the fuck remembers anything Martinez ever said??

[rob1966]

He did indeed. Almost like he had plan.

Or a crystal ball

[Snail]

When are we closing registrations again?

[Bobbyf9kungfu]

I've been thinking about the FA Cup stance over the last week and for me I'm a little disappointed in our manager.

When I was younger I spent some time living in the south of France and people there were fond of the FA Cup and I know football supporters in other countries have enjoyed following the English FA Cup too.

We welcome foreign players and managers here, we go on to adore them and many of them all say playing or managing in England is something of a dream come true or an ambition realised for them.

If it's a dream come true why do they want to try and change the tradition of the FA Cup?

This is a competition that helps a hell of a lot of smaller clubs, it connects the big time football to the grass roots football, a small club like Shrewsbury getting a replay and coming to Anfield is something that will provide Shrews fans with a memory they forever remember.

Now we can't even show the respect to field a decent side or have our first team manager attend, Jurgen said he's "taking a stand to force a change" but with the quality we have both in our first team and fringe teams we should have really been able to beat a mid table League One side, the fact that we didn't says they deserve the reply and we should address it with professionalism.

I remember a few years ago when a certain Roberto Martinez of Everton criticised little Swansea for being defensive in a Premier League game, Gaurdiola has also criticised the smaller Premier League clubs for playing defensively against his expensive team, almost like the small teams should just let the big team win.

I love Jurgen and what he's done for us but to be trying to force changes in a traditional part of our game is wrong, no matter how many things you win does not give you the right to start trying to force changes, even Roberto Di Matteo won a Champions League.

Personally I would like to see us try and win everything we play in, we have plenty of quality to rotate, we are miles ahead in the league, I recall Rafa fielding a weaker team in the league to field a stronger one in a Champions League game - we are lucky enough to be in a position to be able to do that and still win the league, though we don't need to.

The FA Cup is prestigious and traditional, lets respect it, don't try to change it to make it easier for us and take the chance of smaller clubs getting a big day out... it's already a disgrace that VAR is only used for Premier League teams at home in the FA Cup when it should be used for all clubs or no clubs.

I just hope that Jurgen isn't getting bored, 2 CL finals, winning the CL and now most likely winning the league, the motivation may fade, if Manchester City win the Champions League this season I think Guardiola would go because I think his motivation has already faded.

I don’t agree with your post mate but don’t listen to the mob on here trying to make out your someone your not. You should feel free to air your opinion even if others don’t agree. Carry on mate

[clinical]

I've been thinking about the FA Cup stance over the last week and for me I'm a little disappointed in our manager.

When I was younger I spent some time living in the south of France and people there were fond of the FA Cup and I know football supporters in other countries have enjoyed following the English FA Cup too.

We welcome foreign players and managers here, we go on to adore them and many of them all say playing or managing in England is something of a dream come true or an ambition realised for them.

If it's a dream come true why do they want to try and change the tradition of the FA Cup?

This is a competition that helps a hell of a lot of smaller clubs, it connects the big time football to the grass roots football, a small club like Shrewsbury getting a replay and coming to Anfield is something that will provide Shrews fans with a memory they forever remember.

Now we can't even show the respect to field a decent side or have our first team manager attend, Jurgen said he's "taking a stand to force a change" but with the quality we have both in our first team and fringe teams we should have really been able to beat a mid table League One side, the fact that we didn't says they deserve the reply and we should address it with professionalism.

I remember a few years ago when a certain Roberto Martinez of Everton criticised little Swansea for being defensive in a Premier League game, Gaurdiola has also criticised the smaller Premier League clubs for playing defensively against his expensive team, almost like the small teams should just let the big team win.

I love Jurgen and what he's done for us but to be trying to force changes in a traditional part of our game is wrong, no matter how many things you win does not give you the right to start trying to force changes, even Roberto Di Matteo won a Champions League.

Personally I would like to see us try and win everything we play in, we have plenty of quality to rotate, we are miles ahead in the league, I recall Rafa fielding a weaker team in the league to field a stronger one in a Champions League game - we are lucky enough to be in a position to be able to do that and still win the league, though we don't need to.

The FA Cup is prestigious and traditional, lets respect it, don't try to change it to make it easier for us and take the chance of smaller clubs getting a big day out... it's already a disgrace that VAR is only used for Premier League teams at home in the FA Cup when it should be used for all clubs or no clubs.

I just hope that Jurgen isn't getting bored, 2 CL finals, winning the CL and now most likely winning the league, the motivation may fade, if Manchester City win the Champions League this season I think Guardiola would go because I think his motivation has already faded.

I'm personally enjoying the fume we don't give a shit about the league and FA cup. Loving it in fact.