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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2014, 04:21:19 pm »
Avie Glazer said: "Louis joins us at an exciting time and has already communicated some great ideas for how the club can move forward."

I shink we should try to come shixth?


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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2014, 04:21:57 pm »
That'll be Giggs' time to shine ;)

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2014, 04:24:33 pm »
Avie Glazer said: "Louis joins us at an exciting time and has already communicated some great ideas for how the club can move forward."

I shink we should try to come shixth?



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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2014, 04:26:06 pm »
On a more serious note...

For anyone interested:

"The objective creates the exercise, Part 1" by Louis van Gaal

"Dominant play,in my opinion,means that you are the team that decides the flow of the game", van Gaal starts to explain. "Meaning creating more chamber than the opponent,playing offensively and doing this based on technical and tactical capacity,whereby the will to win plays an essential role. You therefore assume an offensive rather than defensive organization. The core of this is that you decide what happens on the field; of course this is open for discussion,because when you play from a defensive organization you can also dictate to a degree,as you determine that the opponent attacks in a small space. This,however,is not dominant play,because you do not determine the situation in an offensive manner. I see dominant play as playing offensively and pressing on the opponent's half. This is my perception,as I believe you should always entertain the fans and the fans are,in my opinion,entertained when you play offensive football. Whether you are able to play dominant is of course dependent on the quality of your opponent,but even more on the quality of your own team. There are many great coaches who never received the recognition they deserve. They have booked great successes by getting optimal results with their team. This is however not always recognized by the outside world,because you don't win any prizes when you are not working with the top players.When you have always worked at the top it is easier to win the title than with,for example, AZ Alkmaar. Dominant play is also largely based on trust. Playing dominant football asks for quality players and for guts and trust to execute it.There are a lot of influential aspects surrounding a group of players.In order to attain good results these aspects must be balanced.Whether you eventually play dominantly is influenced by the players,the technical staff,the board and of course the fans and media. At an absolute top club this environment forms a more complicated factor than at AZ. When I signed at AZ it changed the environment surrounding the club.We are technically still a sub-top club,even though the media attention is rapidly increasing. The product football is a cooperation between the players,the technical staff and the medical staff. First of all there is the quality of the players,quickly followed by the quality of the coach.I think the coach is very influential in a team." He went on to talk about formations. "When you opt to play with a 1-4-3-3 you will,in my perception,have optimal field positioning.You can then decide whether to play with point (in midfield) forwards or backwards.A lot of teams nowadays opt to play with the point backwards,but I prefer to play with the point forwards. When you want to move one player up from the back there will be more room to do this when you are playing with the point forward.You automatically create more space to move up from the back. When you play with the point backwards you will have to create this space by moving out of the way.The beautiful thing about my choice of system is that it creates alot of lines.When you play with a 1-4-4-2 you have a flat four in midfield,creating only 3-4 lines. In our system of play we usually have about 6 lines. So from a mathematical point of view you are creating a lot more passing opportunities. Your positioning is not only better in attack, but also in defense. When you're playing with more lines it will be easier to constrain your opponent. It is always about occupying regions. Take Barcelona for example,they play with the point backwards in midfield. They pressure on the side of the ball with a lot of players and leave the other side free.Whenever you pressure the ball correctly,the opponent will never pass to the other side of the field anyways." He went on to speak about defending various situations. "The toughest situation for us occurs when we are playing against two strikers and we want to defend forward.This is due to the large spaces in the back,which makes the 1v1 situation very dangerous. Usually I will add a player in between.The problem then is that the spaces on midfield will become larger,so our number 10 will have to play in midfield.The result of this is that the opponent will have an extra player in defense and will outnumber us in that area 3v4.We will be playing in a 3-4-3 formation,whereby our number 10 is a fourth midfielder instead of a second striker.In this situation you will have to play with a different number 10."
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2014, 04:27:21 pm »
I was desperately hoping for Roy Hodgson after the world cup

So was I, errr... purely to get them (dem?) back where they (dey?) belong, I assure any manc posters that I only want to see them where they belong, and the Hodge is wise as an owl, current England manager (and the FA don't just give that job away!) where he is getting the very best out of Welbeck and Rooney (1 in 2 his ratio is... thats better than at Man U...maybe? I dunno), and we all already don't like him, because we didn't deserve his majestic banks of 4, surely its destiny that he'll rides into Trafford on a spirited white charger, sunrise behind him, wind billowing in his hair, leading Man U back to the promised land, that we all know they are entitled too...


ahem.

Sounds like shitcoat will actually have some competition for most annoying manager of the year then?

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2014, 04:27:46 pm »
Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal:

“This past season I made the players at AZ play from within their position in position games. The players and assistants never saw this before. When you are given a space in which you must operate you will automatically learn to communicate with your teammates and opponents within this space. You will, for example, tell 11 to only play in area 1 and 2 in a positional game and this is how you have everyone play
from within their own position By including goalkeepers you can train to build up. A coach must be creative with things like this. You can also just play across the right side, or the left side, or via a certain line.” It is not about the exercise, but about the objective. The objective must create the exercise. “You create exercises from the game situation. You look at what players do well and not so well and you emulate these situations in your practice."

http://www.ncsoccer.org/docs/education/coaches/u19_objective_creates_exercise.pdf
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #166 on: May 19, 2014, 04:27:51 pm »
With no Europe does FFP still apply this summer to them?

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2014, 04:28:59 pm »
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #168 on: May 19, 2014, 04:29:36 pm »
Sounds great. 8)

Are you at all concerned by how he is going to be perceived by 'the media'? It would be a new experience for United fans backing a manager who may not get such an easy ride as his predecessors.

Ferguson used fear and bans to silence journalists who dared question him and Moyes came into the job with most wanting him to do well because he was British and many had been pushing him for a 'big job' for quite a while. Even now some still say he should have been given time. I realise I'm generalising a bit there but as has been mentioned, van Gaal has been known to be a bit prickly in press conferences and as I'm sure you've seen foreigners like Benitez, Villas-Boas etc aren't often afforded the same understanding as their British counterparts.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #169 on: May 19, 2014, 04:30:23 pm »
This will end up another David Moyes Thread i can just see it lmao

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #170 on: May 19, 2014, 04:31:51 pm »
Argh what about the class of 92? Have the poor buggers have been told to sling their hooks?
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #171 on: May 19, 2014, 04:32:09 pm »
With no Europe does FFP still apply this summer to them?

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #172 on: May 19, 2014, 04:32:29 pm »
Are you at all concerned by how he is going to be perceived by 'the media'? It would be a new experience for United fans backing a manager who may not get such an easy ride as his predecessors.

Ferguson used fear and bans to silence journalists who dared question him and Moyes came into the job with most wanting him to do well because he was British and many had been pushing him for a 'big job' for quite a while. Even now some still say he should have been given time. I realise I'm generalising a bit there but as has been mentioned, van Gaal has been known to be a bit prickly in press conferences and as I'm sure you've seen foreigners like Benitez, Villas-Boas etc aren't often afforded the same understanding as their British counterparts.

Not at all, in fact i'm looking forward to him giving them hell if they cross the line.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #173 on: May 19, 2014, 04:34:13 pm »
Looking for grounds to revoke Rooney's contract due to Moyes' mental incapacity.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #175 on: May 19, 2014, 04:35:37 pm »
For a better version of above interview, with diagrams:

http://www.ncsoccer.org/docs/education/coaches/u19_objective_creates_exercise.pdf
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #176 on: May 19, 2014, 04:38:05 pm »
Good manager, will see how he will do. Hopefully like Moyeseh

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #177 on: May 19, 2014, 04:40:42 pm »
Not at all, in fact i'm looking forward to him giving them hell if they cross the line.


Fair enough. It will probably depend on how well he does and I think he'll be a massive improvement on Moyes in most aspects.

A lot of people on here certainly loved how Rafa and Kenny could be short with journalists but looking back at times you realise that when it started going wrong it probably gave them a bit of an axe to grind when it wasn't going so well.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #179 on: May 19, 2014, 04:43:53 pm »
Meh, decent appointment but won't last too long with the ego's at Old Trafford.

We'll be here again in a year or two listening to the Utd fans on here trying to convince us/themselves that their next new manager will be the one to get them challenging.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #180 on: May 19, 2014, 04:44:23 pm »
For a better version of above interview, with diagrams:

http://www.ncsoccer.org/docs/education/coaches/u19_objective_creates_exercise.pdf

There's a world of difference between this sort of stuff and crossing the ball over 80 times.  I think he'll do well for them and his abrasive personality is being a little overstated on here because we're all desperate for it to kick off in their squad.  He's smart enough to keep a lid on it because this is probably his last shot at a massive club like Utd.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #181 on: May 19, 2014, 04:44:48 pm »
Avie Glazer said: "Louis joins us at an exciting time and has already communicated some great ideas for how the club can move forward."

I shink we should try to come shixth?
AG: "What ideas do you have for moving the team forward?"
Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal: "We should score more goals and concede less."
AG: "Brilliant. When can you start?"

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #182 on: May 19, 2014, 04:46:08 pm »
I welcome Zarniwoop, I'm sure he will be a benevolent ruler of the league.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #183 on: May 19, 2014, 04:50:08 pm »
Not exactly a long-term appointment, is it?

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #184 on: May 19, 2014, 04:52:43 pm »
Not exactly a long-term appointment, is it?

Long enough. Isn't Rodgers something like the 2nd or 3rd longest serving manager at a club in the league with 2 seasons under his belt?
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #185 on: May 19, 2014, 04:53:22 pm »
Think he will need time, not sure if he will get that luxury. once he does get the team he wants they will be dangerous.
Easy said than done though, Premier league most competitive league in the world, don't think he has ever faced the test he now faces.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #186 on: May 19, 2014, 04:55:25 pm »
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #187 on: May 19, 2014, 04:56:00 pm »
How the hell can Giggs be a #2 (lol) without a coaching badge?
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #188 on: May 19, 2014, 04:57:10 pm »
Easy said than done though, Premier league most competitive league in the world, don't think he has ever faced the test he now faces.

Taking over at Camp Nou from the late great Bobby Robson when they hadn't won the league for 3 seasons and Ronaldo left for Italy was no easy task.

It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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« Reply #189 on: May 19, 2014, 04:59:11 pm »
He went on to speak about defending various situations. "The toughest situation for us occurs when we are playing against two strikers and we want to defend forward.This is due to the large spaces in the back,which makes the 1v1 situation very dangerous. Usually I will add a player in between.The problem then is that the spaces on midfield will become larger,so our number 10 will have to play in midfield.The result of this is that the opponent will have an extra player in defense and will outnumber us in that area 3v4.We will be playing in a 3-4-3 formation,whereby our number 10 is a fourth midfielder instead of a second striker.In this situation you will have to play with a different number 10."

Doesn't that already give the top managers a heads up as to what his worst fear is - two strikers up top - and a way to already make him a reactive rather than proactive manager?
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #190 on: May 19, 2014, 05:04:37 pm »
Doesn't that already give the top managers a heads up as to what his worst fear is - two strikers up top - and a way to already make him a reactive rather than proactive manager?

It's fairly standard thinking. Unless a team has 10 superior 1v1 players, you're always going to lose a player somewhere. Usually, the acceptable area to lose the player is up front. It's rare to see a team that wants to go 1v1 at the back. So there's always a numerical advantage somewhere on the field, as both teams always want to have a spare player at the back
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #191 on: May 19, 2014, 05:05:04 pm »
Doesn't that already give the top managers a heads up as to what his worst fear is - two strikers up top - and a way to already make him a reactive rather than proactive manager?

He was describing a particular situation given the players he had at his disposal. That's not his only way, or his most preferred way even. See the link posted earlier for a better idea of his philosophy.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #192 on: May 19, 2014, 05:05:42 pm »
How the hell can Giggs be a #2 (lol) without a coaching badge?

He has his A licence. He doesn't have the Pro Licence he would have needed to be the full time manager though. I suspect that's part of the plan. Van Gaal for a year or two while Giggs completes the course, then he takes over.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #193 on: May 19, 2014, 05:06:25 pm »
So ... he is meant to be a good manager but has only won 2 titles in 16 years?

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #194 on: May 19, 2014, 05:13:06 pm »
So ... he is meant to be a good manager but has only won 2 titles in 16 years?

4 isn't it? With some of that 16 years managing Holland.
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« Reply #195 on: May 19, 2014, 05:14:59 pm »
This is an interesting interview Daniel Sousa (Villas Boas' assistant) did with Van Gaal in 2009 http://jeddavies.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Louis-Van-Gaal-interview.pdf
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« Reply #196 on: May 19, 2014, 05:19:48 pm »
Taking over at Camp Nou from the late great Bobby Robson when they hadn't won the league for 3 seasons and Ronaldo left for Italy was no easy task.



As I remember it Barca were on the up at the time. Couldn't believe they moved Bobby on after the season they'd had. That squad had some truly world class talent in it.
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« Reply #197 on: May 19, 2014, 05:20:23 pm »
Congratulations to Manchester United for winning the 2014-2015 Premier League title.

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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #198 on: May 19, 2014, 05:21:22 pm »
Man Utd will be fighting Spurs for 5th.

Spurs have a better squad, imho. Their new manager will have a slightly better summer , provided he's appointed soon as he won't be at the World Cup coaching a National Side.

Talk of one of the top 4 slipping up is newspaper talk.And i'm sure those clubs outside the top 4 will light up their forums with we can displace..Arsenal, LFC, Chelsea, or City all it takes is one to have an off year.

Chelsea and City have deep squads and will next season.

We will have a better squad to cope with four competitions but we also have the ability to get 90-100 goals again and that's more than enough to stay top 4.

And then there's the perennial Arsenal are the weakest of the top 4 and will slip up. Except they don't. And they only really had one striker fit this season. I'd suggest they'll improve that next season.
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Re: Louis Van Gaal is the Manager of Manchester United
« Reply #199 on: May 19, 2014, 05:22:17 pm »
Can't be worse than Moyes really, Europa league next season it is then.