Topic: The Run Home and CL Qualification

[devilfysh]

Champions league is fuckin up our results in the prem simples. We still need 4 points out of 9 remaining. Tough ask around the Roma games especialy as Klopp doesn’t know how to close games out.  Thank fuck he knows how to attack teams hence why we will qualify as defending champions

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Champions league is fuckin up our results in the prem simples. We still need 4 points out of 9 remaining. Tough ask around the Roma games especialy as Klopp doesn’t know how to close games out.  Thank fuck he knows how to attack teams hence why we will qualify as defending champions

Some utter tripe in that post.

[lcjpm01]

Some utter tripe in that post.

So long as he is like a clock and is correct about the last bit who cares??

[rob1966]

If anyone should be looking over their shoulders, it should be Spurs. They looked fucked today and even though they have only WBA away, I cannot see Watford, Newcastle and Leicester giving them an easy ride.

[LFC when it suits]

If we don't end up getting Top 4 through the Premier League, then we will just have to qualify for the CL next season by winning the European Cup.

[killer-heels]

If anyone should be looking over their shoulders, it should be Spurs. They looked fucked today and even though they have only WBA away, I cannot see Watford, Newcastle and Leicester giving them an easy ride.

Leicester and Watford are in terrible form and with nothing to play for they should be easy enough. Spurs have to improve though because most likely by next game Chelsea are 2 points behind them by the time they next play.

[andy07]

This thread is a joke.  People have more confidence in us beating Roma than picking up 4 points from Stoke and Brighton at home, assuming of course that Chelsea beat us and win all their other games and Spurs overtake us.

[killer-heels]

This thread is a joke.  People have more confidence in us beating Roma than picking up 4 points from Stoke and Brighton ( assuming Chelsea bet us and win all their other games and Spurs overtake us).

We hammered City 3 times but couldn’t beat West Brom in 3 attempts, twice under Pardew and 2 of those at home. You cannot take these sorts of games for granted.

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Leicester and Watford are in terrible form and with nothing to play for they should be easy enough. Spurs have to improve though because most likely by next game Chelsea are 2 points behind them by the time they next play.

Watford may still want to get a result from Spurs, local rivalry and all that.

Along with that one can argue that Brighton had nothing to play for and they got a draw so who knows. This Spurs team looks tired and dejected. They may get rocked.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

We hammered City 3 times but couldn’t beat West Brom in 3 attempts, twice under Pardew and 2 of those at home. You cannot take these sorts of games for granted.

Right so based on that logic how are Chelsea guaranteed to win all of their games if you can't take anything for granted? WBA have no hope of staying up but they took 4 points off us and the Mancs in a space of a week.


So we can't take anything for granted but Chelsea and Spurs can?

[Floydy]

cant see why people are flapping, the more games the better, keep them coming, tell ya what those players are loving it and are relishing every game, every training session. They know they are close to having a) improved from last season and CL qual  b) an amazing 6th big ears and CL qual.
5-hopefully 6 games to go before these lads are done, catching that rythmn and momentum is key here. We are on the brink of something really special,we just have to keep focused on the job in hand , which is always the next game.

[killer-heels]

Right so based on that logic how are Chelsea guaranteed to win all of their games if you can't take anything for granted? WBA have no hope of staying up but they took 4 points off us and the Mancs in a space of a week.

So we can't take anything for granted but Chelsea and Spurs can?

We have to plan for Chelsea winning all their games. We cannot influence them, we can only influence ourselves. We have been excellent this season but there is still a weakness against certain sides, which is why we are not higher in the league.

That post was a reply to someone who said why we should have more confidence in beating Roma than Brighton and Stoke.

[CanuckYNWA]

We have to plan for Chelsea winning all their games. We cannot influence them, we can only influence ourselves. We have been excellent this season but there is still a weakness against certain sides, which is why we are not higher in the league.

That post was a reply to someone who said why we should have more confidence in beating Roma than Brighton and Stoke.

I mean we can...by beating them or even drawing at the Bridge lol

[farawayred]

We have to plan for Chelsea winning all their games. We cannot influence them, we can only influence ourselves. We have been excellent this season but there is still a weakness against certain sides, which is why we are not higher in the league.

That post was a reply to someone who said why we should have more confidence in beating Roma than Brighton and Stoke.

We don't plan loosing to any team.

[TomDcs]

We don't plan loosing to any team.

Agreed, our plan is clearly tightening to every team.

[Geormajesty]

We have to plan for Chelsea winning all their games. We cannot influence them, we can only influence ourselves. We have been excellent this season but there is still a weakness against certain sides, which is why we are not higher in the league.

That post was a reply to someone who said why we should have more confidence in beating Roma than Brighton and Stoke.

Chelsea are worse than us, and have been in horrendous form in 2018. They've won 8 of 21 this year, they haven't won 3 in a row. They have to go to Huddersfield midweek after playing us as well (which you keep saying is the reason we might drop points against Stoke).

If Chelsea had to play Stoke and Brighton, and we had to play Huddersfield, Swansea and Newcastle, I'm sure you'd be still saying that Chelsea would get all the points and we'd be likely to slip up.

We are objectively a better team than them right now, which is why 538 is so confident that we will finish in the top 4.

[killer-heels]

Chelsea are worse than us, and have been in horrendous form in 2018. They've won 8 of 21 this year, they haven't won 3 in a row. They have to go to Huddersfield midweek after playing us as well (which you keep saying is the reason we might drop points against Stoke).

If Chelsea had to play Stoke and Brighton, and we had to play Huddersfield, Swansea and Newcastle, I'm sure you'd be still saying that Chelsea would get all the points and we'd be likely to slip up.

We are objectively a better team than them right now, which is why 538 is so confident that we will finish in the top 4.

Well if 538 tells me that then what’s the problem? Just like they said Trump wouldn’t win.

I get it. We are the better side. You would have taken this at the start of the season but lots of people had us winning today easily and resting loads of players, just like they will against Stoke.

We should be beating Stoke. But we should be playing all our best players and not just making several changes that make us better and presenting it as fact that we will win because on paper they are still better.

[vagabond]

Well if 538 tells me that then what’s the problem? Just like they said Trump wouldn’t win.

Nope they gave him a 35% shot on the final day. That's nothing alike to this situation.

[killer-heels]

Nope they gave him a 35% shot on the final day. That's nothing alike to this situation.

Ok so with a >99% chance then that’s them saying we are definitely qualifying for the CL through the league.

[vagabond]

Ok so with a >99% chance then that’s them saying we are definitely qualifying for the CL through the league.

We are definitely qualifying for the CL through the league.

[killer-heels]

We are definitely qualifying for the CL through the league.

Happy days

[vagabond]

Happy days

I know right

[MinnyRed]

Nope they gave him a 35% shot on the final day. That's nothing alike to this situation.

Exactly. Was about to post that,538 were giving that fat orange git a fighting chance.

Also, (changing subjects) when we finish in 3rd (or 2nd or 4th) AND win the champions league, do we get to field 2 teams in the CL next year?

Hopefully, will be important for Ibe to get some minutes.

[Alan_X]

Chelsea are worse than us, and have been in horrendous form in 2018. They've won 8 of 21 this year, they haven't won 3 in a row. They have to go to Huddersfield midweek after playing us as well (which you keep saying is the reason we might drop points against Stoke).

If Chelsea had to play Stoke and Brighton, and we had to play Huddersfield, Swansea and Newcastle, I'm sure you'd be still saying that Chelsea would get all the points and we'd be likely to slip up.

We are objectively a better team than them right now, which is why 538 is so confident that we will finish in the top 4.

Fuck me - does it really need to be spelled out? He’s not saying Chelsea ‘will’ win all their games, but we have to plan for the possibility that they ‘might’.

It is completely irrelevant whether or not we are objectively better. That does nothing to guarantee results. If it did we could all clean up on the betting.

You want to believe its all fine. That’s ok, it’s your call but the number of games left is too small a sample set for form to be meaningful.

[killer-heels]

I know right

Might as well play the kids in the rest of the games.

[vagabond]

Might as well play the kids in the rest of the games.

The probability is based on the Liverpool squad performing as it has been all season. The kids don't count.

[killer-heels]

The probability is based on the Liverpool squad performing as it has been all season. The kids don't count.

Oh so there are other factors that are not priced in then? Such as maybe increased fatigue or having to play weaker players to prepare better for games in other competitions? Who knew.

[vagabond]

Oh so there are other factors that are not priced in then? Such as maybe increased fatigue or having to play weaker players to prepare better for games in other competitions? Who knew.

Sure, you can spend your time contemplating those factors. I'm happy to have a good time. This was done weeks ago. And we'll win at Stamford Bridge just to confirm it in style.

[killer-heels]

Sure, you can spend your time contemplating those factors. I'm happy to have a good time. This was done weeks ago. And we'll win at Stamford Bridge just to confirm it in style.

We probably will. Its not done though.

[peachybum]

This should've been wrapped up but these draws against Everton and WBA have given Chelsea a real chance. No matter what happens they know winning all their games(beating us) means it'll go to the last game of the season and we'll need to get something off Brighton, opening us up to the possibility of a dodgy ref or shitty set piece ruining our campaign.

[cptrios]

Well, I'm not particularly worried about qualifying. A combination of us blowing our last 3 matches and both Chelsea and Spurs winning all of theirs is highly unlikely. And I'm very firmly in the "if we drop points against Stoke and Brighton at home, we don't deserve to be in the CL" camp.

However, I think it's crazy not to see Stoke as a must-win game. Yes, we might still be fine if we don't, but our lives will be infinitely easier if we do. Provided Chelsea beat Swansea tomorrow (far from a given), it greats two problems that will both cause my hairline to further recede:

1. It makes the Chelsea match several orders of magnitude more important, since by beating us they could either put themselves level on points or, if we drop all 3 points against Stoke, even overtake us. We can and probably should beat them, but I'd rather we didn't give them any extra motivation.

2. It makes it more likely that the Brighton game is a literal must-win. Again, that shouldn't be a problem. But as much as I enjoy us having so much to play for at this stage of the season, I really don't think my hairline can take 5 (and hopefully 6) must-wins in a row. Please, no.

Having said that, if Stoke lose tomorrow I think that's essentially the nail in their coffin, and they won't put up a huge fight against us. No comparison to West Brom today, really, as they've gotten a morale boost from their new manager and just came off a big win against Man U. And we should at least have Trent and Lovren back, even if we rest Salah/Mane.

[scalatore]

Just as a reminder, we'd even qualify if our final three games looked like this horror show: Stoke L, Chelsea D, Brighton D.

Chelsea winning out would mean them taking 20% of their season's points to date in the next four games. Even if they managed that, their total would be 75, and we're already on 71 with three games to play. For reference, right now they're on 63. There's really not much to see here. The job will be done soon.

[keano7]

Just as a reminder, we'd even qualify if our final four games looked like this horror show: WBA D, Stoke L, Chelsea D, Brighton D.

Chelsea winning out would mean them taking 20% of their season's points to date in the next four games. Even if they managed that, their total would be 75, and we're already on 71 with three games to play. For reference, right now they're on 63. There's really not much to see here. The job will be done soon.

If we lost to Stoke I’d be mortified. Easily the worst team in the league at the moment. Beat Stoke and it’s virtually done and dusted.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Well, I'm not particularly worried about qualifying. A combination of us blowing our last 3 matches and both Chelsea and Spurs winning all of theirs is highly unlikely. And I'm very firmly in the "if we drop points against Stoke and Brighton at home, we don't deserve to be in the CL" camp.

However, I think it's crazy not to see Stoke as a must-win game. Yes, we might still be fine if we don't, but our lives will be infinitely easier if we do. Provided Chelsea beat Swansea tomorrow (far from a given), it greats two problems that will both cause my hairline to further recede:

1. It makes the Chelsea match several orders of magnitude more important, since by beating us they could either put themselves level on points or, if we drop all 3 points against Stoke, even overtake us. We can and probably should beat them, but I'd rather we didn't give them any extra motivation.

2. It makes it more likely that the Brighton game is a literal must-win. Again, that shouldn't be a problem. But as much as I enjoy us having so much to play for at this stage of the season, I really don't think my hairline can take 5 (and hopefully 6) must-wins in a row. Please, no.

Having said that, if Stoke lose tomorrow I think that's essentially the nail in their coffin, and they won't put up a huge fight against us. No comparison to West Brom today, really, as they've gotten a morale boost from their new manager and just came off a big win against Man U. And we should at least have Trent and Lovren back, even if we rest Salah/Mane.

Well said, but Chelsea play Soton in the Fa Cup tmrw.

Stoke dont have the players WBa have i.e. tall physical and dirty bastards.

Their main threat is Shaqiri

[CanuckYNWA]

Lets talk some numbers about Stoke to ease some peoples minds

They are the 18th worst team in the league with 31 goals scored averaging 0.9/game with 0.8/game away from home

They are the worst team in the league with 64 goals conceded averaging 1.9/game with 2.2/game away from home

We havent lost a game at home this season in the league and only WBA FA Cup as our ONLY defeat at home this season.

Stoke record away from home is 1-6-10. And their record against the Top 6 sides away is 0-0-5

Man City 7 - 2 Stoke
Man Utd 3 - 0 Stoke
Tottenham 5 - 1 Stoke
Chelsea 5 - 0 Stoke
Arsenal 3 - 0 Stoke

Average of 4.6 goals against and 0.6 for

They are shit and we should beat them, not worried.

[killer-heels]

Lets talk some numbers about Stoke to ease some peoples minds

They are the 18th worst team in the league with 31 goals scored averaging 0.9/game with 0.8/game away from home

They are the worst team in the league with 64 goals conceded averaging 1.9/game with 2.2/game away from home

We havent lost a game at home this season in the league and only WBA FA Cup as our ONLY defeat at home this season.

Stoke record away from home is 1-6-10. And their record against the Top 6 sides away is 0-0-5

Man City 7 - 2 Stoke
Man Utd 3 - 0 Stoke
Tottenham 5 - 1 Stoke
Chelsea 5 - 0 Stoke
Arsenal 3 - 0 Stoke

Average of 4.6 goals against and 0.6 for

They are shit and we should beat them, not worried.

All very logical and most likely we thrash Stoke.

But sometimes things can affect logic and its not like sports is always absolute? Logic would dictate that if you play the worst side in the league 3 times in a season and you are the third best side, you would win one.

[BazC]

All very logical and most likely we thrash Stoke.

But sometimes things can affect logic and its not like sports is always absolute? Logic would dictate that if you play the worst side in the league 3 times in a season and you are the third best side, you would win one.

Logic wouldn’t dictate that at all!

[killer-heels]

Logic wouldn’t dictate that at all!

I know, the players on the pitch would.