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Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« on: September 23, 2017, 09:48:57 pm »




Champions League Group stage

Tuesday 26 September, 19:45

Otkrytiye Arena, Moscow




Injury update/Suspensions


Liverpool

Adam Lallana – Thigh
Nathaniel Clyne – Hamstring
Joe Gomez – Unavailable



Spartak

Quincy Promes
Pedro Rosa (doubtful)


We were interested in Promes and it would have been nice to see how he played against us but then again it does weaken Spartak with him not playing.





Spartak Moscow v Liverpool: Key statistics



  • Spartak Moscow have won only two of their last 17 Champions League home games (D5 L10).
  • Liverpool have failed to win any of their last six Champions League games (D3 L3).
  • Liverpool have only won one of their last seven away games in the Champions League (D3 L3) – this coming against Debrecen in November 2009 (1-0).
  • Spartak have failed to keep a clean sheet in their last 11 outings in the competition.
  • Liverpool have failed to keep a clean sheet in their last eight CL games.
  • Spartak Moscow have reached the knockout stages of the Champions League only once in their 11 previous appearances, it was in 1995/96 (quarter-finalists).
  • The furthest Spartak have got to in the Champions League is Semi Final.
  • We of course have won it 5 times.


Sorry that was a bit depressing really as both clubs have not done well recently in the CL.



Spartak Moscow Facts




A bit of detail about Spartak as a club:
They have won 12 Soviet Championships (2nd to Dynamo Kiev) and a record 10 Russian Championships. They have also won 10 Soviet Cups and 3 Russian Cups which overall makes them the most successful club in Russia.






Their manager is Massimo Carrera who is Italian and who played for Juventus as a right back from 1991 and 1996. He was recently Technical Director of Juventus, working alongside the coach Antonio Conte. He decided to join Spartak instead of following Conte to Chelsea. There, he was assistant coach to Dimitri Alenichev and was brought in to be a specialist defence assistant manager, an area of the team which has let them down badly in recent seasons. Sounds like a useful guy to have!

When Alenichev resigned last year, Carrera led Spartak to the Russian Premier League title which was their first in 16 seasons. So he's nobody's fool.

He favours a highly fit team who are mentally strong and who play a lot of possession based football. The biggest improvement that he apparently has brought in is a determination to win, whereas in the past they tended to collapse when things weren't going well. So in some ways they are similar to us and they will be a well coached team.


Their recent results haven't been great; today (Saturday) they drew at home with the bottom club, Anzhi (Anji)






They are currently lying in 6th place in their league.





Head to Head record





So there's not a lot in it really but we have only played them 4 times.



UEFA Ranking


According to this, they are about the same standard as West Ham.



Spartak – Key Players & Style






I don't know a lot about their players and the only ones that I am aware of is Mario Pašalić who is on loan from Chelsea and of course Quincy Promes who is probably their best player (he'll miss the match through injury). Hopefully others will do a better analysis of their players.

The main two players that transformed them from a defensively weak team to a strong one are Denis Glushakov and Fernando. Other players to look out for are Roman Zobnin and Luiz Adriano.

''He changed our tactics and gave us character.'' Spartak Moscow captain Denis Glushakov on Massimo Carrera.

It appears that tactically, Carrera is a bit of a mix of Conte, Klopp and Guardiola. He likes to play out from the back and prefers man marking and defending from deeper zones. The full-backs push high up the pitch and are responsible for providing width.

In terms of formations, Carrera mostly goes with 4-2-3-1, although he sometimes opts for 4-3-3 configuration.

He generally uses two defensive midfielders who have different roles. Fernando is a holding midfielder who dictates the tempo and thus is critical to their style. It is important that we don't allow him to dominate play. The other midfielder Glushakov is a box-to-box player.  Roman Zobnin may play if Carrera opts for 3 in midfield.

Up front they may play Zé Luís who is strong, fast and mobile. He'll try to move our central defenders around and out of position. He is also a target-man for the long ball and is good in the air.

Their forwards and midfield will be dynamic and fluid, moving around and dragging us out of position. Hence it will be important that we concentrate and communicate. Henderson needs to be vocal again although the noise in the stadium make make it hard for others to hear him.

They don't tend to press when they lose the ball high up the pitch but their main press occurs in midfield. We will therefore have quite a bit of time to play the ball out from defence but we'll find that we don't get a lot of space and time elsewhere.


They will man mark and follow their man all over the pitch so I expect us to be very fluid up front, just like they will be.

Last season, Dutch winger Promes scored 11 goals in 23 league appearances, while Cape Verde international Ze Luis scored five goals in 19 appearances as a striker.



Spartak Forum


I tried reading their forum as they have a thread up about the game but either they talk twaddle or more likely Google doesn't translate Russian very well; take these posts for example:

“Bazhenov's dog predicted a fierce fucking”

“Liver is not himself an iceball player, but he will ship with such a game. 1: 2 perhaps.”

“Then we will be hammered. I do not drink beer, so I'm interested. Give on the plus sign in turnips. The rest put beer))”

“you can throw rotten tomatoes .. But I think the cruel pzdts will continue ... 0-6 ... After this match, Carrera will retire ... Transfer window closed .. Players eat caviar .. And satisfied rest in training.”
(which I think means that they think we will win 6-0!)

“Leaver will come very angry. So much to not score to Lester ...”
I think this means that we will be fired up after losing to Leicester (after the Cup game as the post was before the League Game).

They also seem to think that throwing flares onto the pitch is ok as long as somebody isn't injured.......strange logic.



Conclusion

I think Spartak have lost a bit of confidence after having a great season last year. However I do like the sound of how Carrera has tightened up their defence and I'm looking forward to see how we play against them. For me we have the attackers to destroy them but we all know that if we aren't clicking then we can leak cheap goals. The Leicester win today was a great game and hopefully we push on from that. Once again, I think our defence needs to perform at their best.

Spartak Moscow will be a very tough match and one that we need to play our best

I'd take a 1-0 away win.

Please if anyone is going to the game stay safe.








Remember, these are the nights that we all missed, we have a great manager and an exciting attacking team.
Over to you guys.
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2017, 10:05:05 pm »
I suspect we are much better than these. Hopefully the away factor won't be too much of a leveller

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2017, 10:10:56 pm »
The way Spartak have been playing the season, they are probably the weakest team in the group.

Downtown has already said what needs to be said about this Spartak side.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2017, 10:12:58 pm »


I'd go:

Karius
Trent - Matip - Lovren - Moreno
Can - Henderson - Coutinho
Salah - Firmino - Mane.


That's the team I'd play, it's a tough away fixture but we need those 3 points,  I'm confident we can score a few with that front 4.

You mentioned a possible 4-2-3-1, has Klopp ever hinted at playing a 4-1-4-1 this season yet?

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2017, 10:28:36 pm »
Got a feeling Salah will be from the bench here with a front 3 of Mane Firmino Coutinho. 

Mane is back and fresh and Salah has started every game so far if I remember correctly. Only one of the front 4 who played 90 today too.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2017, 10:32:18 pm »
Got a feeling Salah will be from the bench here with a front 3 of Mane Firmino Coutinho. 

Mane is back and fresh and Salah has started every game so far if I remember correctly. Only one of the front 4 who played 90 today too.
No, I think he will start and we will play on the break
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2017, 10:34:35 pm »
Got a feeling Salah will be from the bench here with a front 3 of Mane Firmino Coutinho. 

Mane is back and fresh and Salah has started every game so far if I remember correctly. Only one of the front 4 who played 90 today too.

So bench our top goalscorer. Okay mate.   ;D

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2017, 10:38:43 pm »
So bench our top goalscorer. Okay mate.   ;D

Not what I would do, just want I think will happen

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2017, 10:39:32 pm »
Well if they are letting an English guy ref it I am guessing Spartak will have an excuse when we thrash them...
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2017, 10:41:41 pm »
Where is the information that Mike Jones will be the referee come from?

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2017, 10:45:11 pm »
Where is the information that Mike Jones will be the referee come from?

I would guess an errant copy and paste...
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2017, 10:51:09 pm »
Stay safe travelling reds!

We could really do with 3 points in this after only getting 1 in the home game

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2017, 11:12:39 pm »
Smash these 3-0.
Drew 2-2 against Anzhi who are bottom of their league I believe?

We will be solid defensively and let the attacking lads do their bit.

Will get hostile after the match after we smoke them  :-\

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2017, 11:29:51 pm »
Ladies and gentlemen... coming to a football stadium near you(actually 2000 miles away)... for the first time ever... a starting line-up with all four of Salah, Mané, Firmino and Coutinho(unless Klopp decides not to but pls jurgen)
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2017, 04:22:30 am »
Snip
Smashing read that buddy, cheers! Great to game another game so soon after that win. That said it's a fuck of a way to travel, hope we arrive fresh and ready!

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2017, 08:43:59 am »
Hope we get the win. More than that I hope our traveling support stay safe. Just stick together .

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2017, 08:56:03 am »
Come on Redmen!!
Don't know much about them so thanks for the OP. Feel confident after reading. Wonder if Coutinho may go to the bench to manage his fitness? Was impressed with the control shown by Milner last night and think he may start to give some solidity early.
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2017, 09:19:23 am »
Remember watching the 1992 games on terrestrial tv...God they were depressing. I know we got them back 10 years later but just remembering that cup winners cup tie has pissed me off so I hope we do them again.

Hope all travelling reds stay safe.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2017, 09:24:48 am »
We know we are weak at the back. Let's focus on what we are good at, and then we can probably replace the attackers with defensive minded players :

Karius
Gomez Lovren Matip Moreno
Can Henderson
Coutinho
Salah Firmino Mane


For the first time, we will have our best front four. We'll wallop them if we start quick. I'm going for a 5-3 win  ::)

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2017, 09:32:54 am »
                 Karius

Alexander Arnold  Matip Lovren  Moreno

                  Henderson

         Wijnaldum  Coutinho

Salah                                   Mane
                     Firmino

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2017, 09:42:14 am »
We know we are weak at the back. Let's focus on what we are good at, and then we can probably replace the attackers with defensive minded players :

Karius
Gomez Lovren Matip Moreno
Can Henderson
Coutinho
Salah Firmino Mane


For the first time, we will have our best front four. We'll wallop them if we start quick. I'm going for a 5-3 win  ::)
Isn't Gomez suspended for this match ?
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #21 on: September 24, 2017, 12:44:29 pm »
Ladies and gentlemen... coming to a football stadium near you(actually 2000 miles away)... for the first time ever... a starting line-up with all four of Salah, Mané, Firmino and Coutinho(unless Klopp decides not to but pls jurgen)

        Coutinho
Salah Firmino Mane

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #22 on: September 24, 2017, 02:38:03 pm »
These are a bit shit aren't they? It's a tough one team selection wise because thinking about, I would actually maybe give some lads a rest. Although we don't play till Sunday so maybe not needed.

Still, I'd have a think about resting Firmino, Salah and Can. Bring in Sturridge, Mane and Milner. We wouldn't see much of a drop off you would hope from those three changes.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #23 on: September 24, 2017, 02:49:18 pm »
We know we are weak at the back. Let's focus on what we are good at, and then we can probably replace the attackers with defensive minded players :

Karius
Gomez Lovren Matip Moreno
Can Henderson
Coutinho
Salah Firmino Mane


For the first time, we will have our best front four. We'll wallop them if we start quick. I'm going for a 5-3 win  ::)

Why would you play the same fullbacks as yesterday (one of them who's played 2 games in 4 days already) when we've got Robertson and TAA fresh and waiting in the wings?

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #24 on: September 24, 2017, 02:57:50 pm »
It'll be interesting to see if we do rotate. Mane obviously comes back in, maybe for salah. Then Milner for one of the midfielders. Trent and possibly robertson in at fullback or wait and rotate Moreno at the weekend. Don't think I'd do much more then that.

Should have enough to get at least a draw with a few changes.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2017, 03:08:05 pm »
Good luck to the traveling Reds, hope there are no incidents.


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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2017, 03:25:26 pm »
That's a great, informative OP. Thanks Stockdam!
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2017, 03:26:47 pm »
Cannot wait to see CSFM start together for the first time!

We're gonna smash em. 4-2

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2017, 04:12:43 pm »
Here's the team of Iceball players i think we'll line up

Mané-Bobby-Salah
----Milly---Emre
--------Hendo
Albie-Dej--Joel-TAA
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i do not drink beer, so i'm interested
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2017, 04:51:19 pm »
Here's the team of Iceball players i think we'll line up

Mané-Bobby-Salah
----Milly---Emre
--------Hendo
Albie-Dej--Joel-TAA
------Pewdiepie----


i do not drink beer, so i'm interested

There is no way Coutinho is not playing.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2017, 05:19:18 pm »
                 Karius

Alexander Arnold  Matip Lovren  Moreno

                  Henderson

         Wijnaldum  Coutinho

Salah                                   Mane
                     Firmino

Please and thank you.

Please no Can starting (unless Klopp wants to gamble and rests Henderson for him). It's really not a good precedent playing someone on the back of such half arsed and poor quality performances as he's shown in his last five or so outings. Would like players to play in our team on merit.

If we decide to rest one of Salah or Coutinho on the bench, then bring Milner in for the third midfield spot. Would rather a hard worker who can follow instructions than the alternative. Same applies with Chamberlain, should be closer to starting than Can.
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2017, 06:03:02 pm »
Please and thank you.

Please no Can starting (unless Klopp wants to gamble and rests Henderson for him). It's really not a good precedent playing someone on the back of such half arsed and poor quality performances as he's shown in his last five or so outings. Would like players to play in our team on merit.

If we decide to rest one of Salah or Coutinho on the bench, then bring Milner in for the third midfield spot. Would rather a hard worker who can follow instructions than the alternative. Same applies with Chamberlain, should be closer to starting than Can.
Nonsense. Can is far more likely to start than Gini, Milner and Chamberlain in my opinion. Can was good in the first half yesterday.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2017, 06:55:39 pm »
Nonsense. Can is far more likely to start than Gini, Milner and Chamberlain in my opinion. Can was good in the first half yesterday.

But I'm not talking about likelihoods, I'm talking about what I want. Personally would prefer all three of those guys (plus Coutinho in Mid) playing over him on Tuesday. Maybe even Woodburn, but I'd prefer that off the bench.

One good half in ten, does that make it? I would disagree and limit it to the first twenty minutes, too.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2017, 08:03:55 pm »
I think Mane & Salah will have a field day against these.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2017, 08:45:08 pm »
But I'm not talking about likelihoods, I'm talking about what I want. Personally would prefer all three of those guys (plus Coutinho in Mid) playing over him on Tuesday. Maybe even Woodburn, but I'd prefer that off the bench.

One good half in ten, does that make it? I would disagree and limit it to the first twenty minutes, too.
Don't see what Wijnaldum did at weekend to deserve a spot in first 11 personally. It'll be Henderson, Can and Coutinho imo.

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2017, 09:46:42 pm »
Where is the information that Mike Jones will be the referee come from?

Clément Turpin is the ref.
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2017, 10:15:56 pm »
I'm guessing either Bobby or Mo will get a rest for this

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2017, 10:18:12 pm »
Clément Turpin is the ref.

Thanks, I've not heard of him before, maybe those interested in French football might have?

I'm guessing either Bobby or Mo will get a rest for this

How come?

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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2017, 10:54:36 pm »
Loving the attempt to get a translation from their forum posts  :lmao
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Re: Spartak Moscow Vs Liverpool Pre-Match Tuesday 26th September 19:45
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2017, 10:57:30 pm »
Something at the back of my mind says that they have an artificial pitch?