Topic: Gareth Southgate: England's substitute teacher

[Gerry Attrick]

And he's getting paid handsomely mate.

He's so bad he makes me wish Townsend hadn't been binned.

[pyroparty]

Yes it is. Unless I dreamed the tactic of counter attack.

Hahaha so you think when Burnley or whatever come to Anfield we'll be deliberately passing them the ball or letting them have it to set up the counter? Righteo!

[Ziltoid]

Hoddle gets something right shocker!

[Caston]

Sums Rooney up that shot

[Magz50]

Rooneh is shocking

[Father Ted]

Great cross, Wayne.

[Ziltoid]

Did I hear the crowd booing that shot by Rooney then?

[The Final Third]

Hendo named MOTM.

[pyroparty]

He wouldnt even stand out in League Two nowadays yet he plays for England at tournaments and Man Utd. Amazing!

[Gerry Attrick]

Giving park the bus teams the ball is very much a valid tactic that you will see a lot by bigger teams. Brendan used to talk about it a lot. It helps pull them up the park and creates space for the counter attack.

Hoddle's a tit but lets not try make out like letting the other team have the ball is mental. Loads of coaches do it. Klopp one of them.

The likes of Malta play risk averse football. They don't look to play through midfield, they don't commit more than 2 players to the attack and most of their passing is of the longer variety. It is almost impossible to counter attack against teams that are committed to their defensive shape for the entirety of the game. If England were playing a team like Slovenia or Slovakia I could understand his point.

[Caston]

Did I hear the crowd booing that shot by Rooney then?

Thought so too

[Father Ted]

Hendo named MOTM.

"Rooney for me, Clive"

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I'm loving how they're gonna spin a 2-0 win against one of the worst sides around at home as a positive, pretty sure the owl was giving these sorts of teams 4/5/6-0 beatings?

[John C]

Giving park the bus teams the ball is very much a valid tactic that you will see a lot by bigger teams. Brendan used to talk about it a lot. It helps pull them up the park and creates space for the counter attack.

Hoddle's a tit but lets not try make out like letting the other team have the ball is mental. Loads of coaches do it. Klopp one of them.

Klopp is all about possession, not giving it away 

[Kekule]

He wouldnt even stand out in League Two nowadays yet he plays for England at tournaments and Man Utd. Amazing!

...and is captain of both.

[King Klopp.]

Hahaha so you think when Burnley or whatever come to Anfield we'll be deliberately passing them the ball or letting them have it to set up the counter? Righteo!

Fucking hell lad you are tedious.

You seem to not be able to understand the simple concept of counter attack. If you want to learn about it go watch Jurgen Klopp's Dortmund team.

I guess Diego Simeone doesn't know what he is doing either. Should tell him that the tactic of ceding possession to hit on the counter doesn't work. Should tell Brendan Rodgers that as well seeing as he literally said in 13/14 we would look to draw out the opposition by letting them have more of the ball.

Literally listen to our players this season. We don't press all the time. We let the opposition have the ball and then when a certain situation happens or they get to a certain area of the field, we trigger the press.

[Father Ted]

The Mighty Malta vanquished!

[The North Bank]

The journey starts here!!
Fantastic stuff.
Buzzing!

[King Klopp.]

Klopp is all about possession, not giving it away 

There is a different between giving possession away and looking to draw the opposition out and then hit them on the counter 

[reddebs]

Fucking hell lad you are tedious.

You seem to not be able to understand the simple concept of counter attack. If you want to learn about it go watch Jurgen Klopp's Dortmund team.

I guess Diego Simeone doesn't know what he is doing either. Should tell him that the tactic of ceding possession to hit on the counter doesn't work. Should tell Brendan Rodgers that as well seeing as he literally said in 13/14 we would look to draw out the opposition by letting them have more of the ball.

Literally listen to our players this season. We don't press all the time. We let the opposition have the ball and then when a certain situation happens or they get to a certain area of the field, we trigger the press.

Is that why we have the highest possession %s in the league this season?

[Samie]

The journey starts here!!
Fantastic stuff.
Buzzing!

Moscow2018 Here we come.

[ThePeetmix]

If only Southgate would come out and just simply say that was crap. Unfortunately that's not gonna happen.

What does Rooney even do?

[John C]

Yes it is. Unless I dreamed the tactic of counter attack.

That's a completely different tactic, that's when you know the opposition is likely to have more of the ball and you're prepared either with pace or set up to counter.
England playing on the counter at home to Malta 

[ShrewKop]

Brave victory

[pyroparty]

Fucking hell lad you are tedious.

You seem to not be able to understand the simple concept of counter attack. If you want to learn about it go watch Jurgen Klopp's Dortmund team.

I guess Diego Simeone doesn't know what he is doing either. Should tell him that the tactic of ceding possession to hit on the counter doesn't work. Should tell Brendan Rodgers that as well seeing as he literally said in 13/14 we would look to draw out the opposition by letting them have more of the ball.

You are clueless. Atletico often have 60% of the ball. The idea that every counter attack is the result of the other team deciding to let them have the ball is comical. The idea that we'll be deliberately letting Hull, Burnley etc have the ball v us all the more comical.

I cant believe you expect England to let Malta have the ball, at 2-0 up to open them up!! Hahahahaha.

[gjr1]

Very poor 2nd half

[Magz50]

What is the point of walker and Rooney? Both blazed countless useless balls out of play from good positions

[John C]

Fucking hell lad you are tedious.

Er, just because you're losing the discussion against better informed posters it doesn't mean they are tedious 

[Miltonred]

So many players in this set-up lack any qualities beyond athleticism, and then there is Rooney who doesn't even have that quality.
Walker, Rose, Alli, Walcott, Lingard. No quality.
Rashford I think has a some skill, we know Sturridge and Henderson have it, but what you saw tonight was a team with masses of possession but few ideas of how to get the ball into dangerous positions. Then, even when the odd overlap was created the passing into the centre was terrible.

This group of players are doomed to mediocrity.

[King Klopp.]

Is that why we have the highest possession %s in the league this season?

Pointless trying to even have any sort of informed discussion on here.

I'm right. Our players literally said we have situations that trigger the press. Our manager literally said we let the opposition think they are in control of the situation then we press.

I don't even know how to argue against some of you lot because you literally refuse to accept what our manager has said.

[Father Ted]

What does Rooney even do?

Waddle around the middle of the park passing it sideways. Occasionally he'll hit a diagonal ball out to the wing, knowing they'll be cooing about it up in the commentary box.

"Give him time, Clive and he's still quality"

Hopefully he scores a couple against Slovenia and gets himself back in that United starting 11.

[pyroparty]

Is that why we have the highest possession %s in the league this season?

Shhhh. Dont let facts get in the way. 

[King Klopp.]

That's a completely different tactic, that's when you know the opposition is likely to have more of the ball and you're prepared either with pace or set up to counter.
England playing on the counter at home to Malta 

Is football black and white? Can you not change during a game? Is it either sit and counter all game or never counter?

[Upinsmoke]

So many players in this set-up lack any qualities beyond athleticism, and then there is Rooney who doesn't even have that quality.
Walker, Rose, Alli, Walcott, Lingard. No quality.
Rashford I think has a some skill, we know Sturridge and Henderson have it, but what you saw tonight was a team with masses of possession but few ideas of how to get the ball into dangerous positions. Then, even when the odd overlap was created the passing into the centre was terrible.

This group of players are doomed to mediocrity.

I think Alli is a good player. Rose is the best we have apart from  Milner :p

The rest are average yeah.

[King Klopp.]

You are clueless. Atletico often have 60% of the ball. The idea that every counter attack is the result of the other team deciding to let them have the ball is comical. The idea that we'll be deliberately letting Hull, Burnley etc have the ball v us all the more comical.

I cant believe you expect England to let Malta have the ball, at 2-0 up to open them up!! Hahahahaha.

No lad, I'm far from clueless. I know a shit load more than you do. I don't even know what to say to you. You are literally to stupid to understand tactics.

Should tell Brendan, Diego Simeone and Klopp that the idea of drawing out opposition isn't a good tactic.

Also, can you highlight the post where I said every counter is the result of deciding to let the other team have the ball? Oh I didn't say that? Sound.

Now go away.

[Upinsmoke]

Ian Wright is such a Hypocrite. He reckons England lost that snap on there passing and movement. But he criticised Sturridge for moving too much first half. Knob.

[King Klopp.]

Er, just because you're losing the discussion against better informed posters it doesn't mean they are tedious 

Losing the discussion against better informed posters

Yeah defo better informed than me mate. No manager ever uses the tacics of drawing out opposition

My god. 90% of posters on here have no actual opinion. All they do is try to stifle discussion or refuse to actually contribute any informed discussion.

You claim you are better informed but you obviously aren't if you think that the tactic of drawing out opposition isn't a valid one when it's used by literally every top coach.

[reddebs]

Pointless trying to even have any sort of informed discussion on here.

I'm right. Our players literally said we have situations that trigger the press. Our manager literally said we let the opposition think they are in control of the situation then we press.

I don't even know how to argue against some of you lot because you literally refuse to accept what our manager has said.

2 completely different things and neither mean we cede possession to entice the opposition out.

[pyroparty]

No lad, I'm far from clueless. I know a shit load more than you do. I don't even know what to say to you. You are literally to stupid to understand tactics.

Should tell Brendan, Diego Simeone and Klopp that the idea of drawing out opposition isn't a good tactic.

Also, can you highlight the post where I said every counter is the result of deciding to let the other team have the ball? Oh I didn't say that? Sound.

Now go away.

  You get rattled so easily. No wonder you can't get along with anyone on here, anyone disagrees with something you write and the aggression comes out. Saying lad every sentence doesn't make you scouse btw mate.

[Upinsmoke]

Here we go. Malta keeper gets studio motm, can't praise a Liverpool player.