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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9720 on: February 20, 2018, 12:52:57 am »
Nothing to do with rules. Just that we have dimmed refs who interpret the rules at their whims. It will be a slightly different story in Europe

I keep seeing people say this but I have to think people only believe this because they watch PL game often enough to see a lot of mistakes but nowhere near as much European matches. Even in just the Spurs - Juve game Higuain turned about to be a metre offside, I didn't realise until I saw pictures after the match, but then I don't get paid to notice that like they do. Ref's are making the same mistakes anywhere you go, some may be better than others, but the idea of it being England ref's are shit and European ones are good is way off imo.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9721 on: February 20, 2018, 08:54:10 am »
How many of Kane's goals this season are penalties?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9722 on: February 20, 2018, 08:56:10 am »
How many of Kane's goals this season are penalties?

Not that many. By a quick google they have only had 5 pens
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9723 on: February 20, 2018, 08:57:23 am »
How many of Kane's goals this season are penalties?

Three.

2 in the league (Burnley and Liverpool) and 1 in the FA Cup (Rochdale)
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9724 on: February 20, 2018, 11:50:14 am »
Self moderation. Its great.

Anyway..if what goes around comes around is true Spurs are heading into the business end of the season with a lot of bad juju!

This weekend will be an interesting one for the teams going for CL, im sure every match and incident will be scrutinised and grudges held into the close season for those that miss out  :)

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9725 on: February 20, 2018, 01:30:49 pm »
Did you see the Lallana one, the player had both arms wrapped around him and despite that he was criticised by the same pundits that had condoned Calvert-Lewin's dive and there are pictures on here showing just how much Firmino's shirt was being tugged for one of those Soton incidents, so if those are the best examples of other clubs diving then you need to try a bit harder than that.

I think the C-L was a dive, the Lallana was a dive and the Ali was a dive... but if they were reviewed with VAR they would all be given as Penalties so as the rules (or the interpretation of them) stands none of them are dives.  If you think the Lallana one was not minimal contact and hitting the deck I will stop now as we are just seeing different things.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9726 on: February 20, 2018, 01:57:24 pm »
Great chance for Spurs to pick up a trophy. Wigan (and West Brom previously) have done them a huge favour.

They're the favourites for the FA Cup. Be interesting to see if they can finally win something.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9727 on: February 20, 2018, 02:00:00 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9728 on: February 20, 2018, 02:00:30 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

Spurs all day long.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9729 on: February 20, 2018, 02:01:12 pm »
Great chance for Spurs to pick up a trophy. Wigan (and West Brom previously) have done them a huge favour.

They're the favourites for the FA Cup. Be interesting to see if they can finally win something.

Favorites my arse. Look at how many trophies Mourinho has won over the past couple of seasons, including last season when they finished 6th and were shite. He's a cup specialist. No way that United aren't firm favorites.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9730 on: February 20, 2018, 02:01:14 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

Definitely Tottenham. They're annoying but they're not Man U.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9731 on: February 20, 2018, 02:08:26 pm »
From : https://www.fifa.com/mm/document/footballdevelopment/refereeing/02/36/01/11/lawsofthegameweben_neutral.pdf
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Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the above ten offences is committed by a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball, provided it is in play

This is my issues with penalties :

Firstly there's no mention of attempting to play the ball. This is understandable for some of these points, but for others, it completely removes any obligation for the attacker to be actually trying to score or control the ball in any way. They can act in any way they see fit to either provoke, simulate or lead the referee to believe that one of the conditions above has been met.

Secondly, it's left to the referee to consider if the defending player was careless or reckless or using excessive force which is interpretation and not deduction. Two different refs in the same position seeing the same event can interpret an event as being a penalty for Ref #1 or not being a penalty for Ref #2 and, by the laws of the game, both are correct because it's all down to interpretation.

Pundits keep going on about "well there was contact" or "He gave the ref a decision to make" and technically they are correct. It doesn't matter if you, I, Shearer or the FA would consider an event to result in a penalty if the referee has a defensible position to say "Player #1 tripped/tackled player #2 in my opinion."

Dele Alli, Lallana, Salah and even that shocker in 2014 by Joe Allen were all penalties because there is a moment in each that you can point to and say the defender pushed, tackled, held or tripped the attacker. Maybe not enough to get the reaction or flop that they generated afterwards but all defendable penalties from the ref's interpretation.

Neither Kane's nor Lamella's were penalties however as the first was offside and the second should have been a free for us for Lamella charging into Lovren.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9732 on: February 20, 2018, 02:18:41 pm »
A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

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« Reply #9734 on: February 20, 2018, 04:15:08 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

Any Liverpool fan who'd want Man Utd to beat Spurs in a final needs to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9735 on: February 20, 2018, 04:19:24 pm »
Any Liverpool fan who'd want Man Utd to beat Spurs in a final needs to take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

Personally I agree, but I guess you could make a strategical argument that an FA Cup would be a lot bigger for Spurs than it would for United, and thus it'd be less damaging to us in the long-term for United to win it.

Personally I don't really buy into that, though, because as much as I'd like us to win it soon, it is only the FA Cup and that alone isn't going to stop Spurs' better players leaving once they get the financial and/or footballing package they want.

And fuck United winning anything.

Hopefully Leicester win it anyway.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9736 on: February 20, 2018, 06:01:40 pm »
Karma for that cheating shower of shit will be having a stonewall penalty turned down in a vital moment of an important game in which they're drawing or being beaten.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9737 on: February 20, 2018, 06:09:21 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

A massive scandal uncovered before the game where it transpires both sides were attempting to bribe the officials/fix the match. The result being both sides are heavily fined, relegated to League one and leading club staff and officials sent to prison.

...either that or a Spurs win, I suppose.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9738 on: February 20, 2018, 06:18:07 pm »
A massive scandal uncovered before the game where it transpires both sides were attempting to bribe the officials/fix the match. The result being both sides are heavily fined, relegated to League one and leading club staff and officials sent to prison.

...either that or a Spurs win, I suppose.

And in the course of the investigation, Chelsea, Arsenal, Blackburn, Leicester and Manchester City are implicated, too. All their league wins are expunged from the records, giving Liverpool another thirty odd titles.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9739 on: February 20, 2018, 06:21:07 pm »
Surely Utd are the favourites now?  A Utd vs Spurs final would be interesting reading on RAWK, dunno who the majority would want to win.

Spurs, in the 8th minute of time added on, with a penalty winner, won by an absolutely blatant dive.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9740 on: February 20, 2018, 11:58:17 pm »
Stories circulating that Real have begun the process of signing Kane with an opening bid made. This story usually has only one ending.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9741 on: February 21, 2018, 12:15:20 am »
Stories circulating that Real have begun the process of signing Kane with an opening bid made. This story usually has only one ending.

With all due respect, those stories will be absolute bollocks. Real won't even bother trying to sign Kane this summer because they know they have no chance. They will pursue their targets this summer, but Kane won't be among them.

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« Reply #9742 on: February 21, 2018, 12:16:16 am »
With all due respect, those stories will be absolute bollocks. Real won't even bother trying to sign Kane this summer because they know they have no chance.

The delusion is strong with this one ;D

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9743 on: February 21, 2018, 12:23:25 am »
With all due respect, those stories will be absolute bollocks. Real won't even bother trying to sign Kane this summer because they know they have no chance. They will pursue their targets this summer, but Kane won't be among them.


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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9744 on: February 21, 2018, 12:34:39 am »
Spurs all day long.
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« Reply #9745 on: February 21, 2018, 12:36:59 am »

Yep. When clubs came calling for Bale you hung firm.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9746 on: February 21, 2018, 12:39:45 am »

Yep. When clubs came calling for Bale you hung firm.

Completely different situations. Since when does what happened with Bale have any relevance to Kane? I could list all the reasons why they are different though on the other hand....

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« Reply #9747 on: February 21, 2018, 12:41:06 am »
The delusion is strong with this one ;D

Don't worry Gerry. I'll quote this in September and you can tell me I'm still deluded when he's banging them in at NWHL. ;D

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« Reply #9748 on: February 21, 2018, 12:48:02 am »
Don't worry Gerry. I'll quote this in September and you can tell me I'm still deluded when he's banging them in at NWHL. ;D

You keep telling yourself they've no chance. They've barely spent anything by their standards in recent years, so they've a huge amount waiting to be used. They could spend 200m on him without blinking. Levy wouldn't turn that down, regardless of what you wish to believe. Whether he leaves depends on what Kane wants. Let's see how loyal he is to Tottenham when one of the best clubs around are offering him 2 or 3 times more than what you can offer.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9749 on: February 21, 2018, 12:48:24 am »
All spurs fans can hope for is winning something, anything, this season. Im pretty sure he himself has voiced his opinions about wanting to win things.

He's not going to do much more than the FA cup this season, be a perfect reason to leave if they can't even get that.

Another season of banging them in with nothing to show for it than a possibilty of a golden boot is gonna take it's toll and he'll be packing his bags.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9750 on: February 21, 2018, 12:59:40 am »
I actually don't think Kane will leave England, doesn't comea acrosse as the sort of person with the nouse or bravery, sophistication or savvy to want to leave his comfort zone, and actually try a new league. Not to say he'll stay at Spurs. I can see him moving to Man Utd or City in the next couple years.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9751 on: February 21, 2018, 01:25:19 am »
I actually don't think Kane will leave England, doesn't comea acrosse as the sort of person with the nouse or bravery, sophistication or savvy to want to leave his comfort zone, and actually try a new league. Not to say he'll stay at Spurs. I can see him moving to Man Utd or City in the next couple years.


If he goes to this utd, under mourinho i think ill probably just give up on football. Why anyone would choose that shite as a long term option baffles me. But I see your point.

Mind you I did think bale would be great at madrid and all he's done of note is be injured.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9752 on: February 21, 2018, 01:49:34 am »


If he goes to this utd, under mourinho i think ill probably just give up on football. Why anyone would choose that shite as a long term option baffles me. But I see your point.

Mind you I did think bale would be great at madrid and all he's done of note is be injured.

Won a CL final didn't he?

I hope Madrid sign Kane, then I can join a Spurs forum and Primativ them
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9753 on: February 21, 2018, 01:52:55 am »
Won a CL final didn't he?

I hope Madrid sign Kane, then I can join a Spurs forum and Primativ them

Yeah subbed on wasn't he with about 10 mins to go...remind me of the score at that point will ya?

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9754 on: February 21, 2018, 01:56:05 am »


If he goes to this utd, under mourinho i think ill probably just give up on football. Why anyone would choose that shite as a long term option baffles me. But I see your point.

Mind you I did think bale would be great at madrid and all he's done of note is be injured.

thats why I said the next couple years. Mourinho will have left / been sacked, Kane will still have the best years of his career ahead of him.

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« Reply #9755 on: February 21, 2018, 02:30:03 am »
Yeah subbed on wasn't he with about 10 mins to go...remind me of the score at that point will ya?

2014? He wasn't subbed on, it was 1-1, he got the winner although it ended 4-1.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9756 on: February 21, 2018, 02:33:48 am »
There are certain clubs, when they come calling, will definitely pinch the stars from most teams. Two of the more notable ones are Barcelona and Real Madrid, to a lesser extent PSG and once upon a time Manchester United.

If Real really did come for Kane, I reckon he's as good as gone. He'd earn so much more and be in contention to win the league every year, pretty much in the CL every year even when you are underperforming considerably.

The only positive I'd cling to is the fact that he is English. That said, it's not like Madrid have been knocking at every young English upstarts door so I think even amongst English players their strike rate is pretty high.

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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9757 on: February 21, 2018, 03:51:59 am »
Completely different situations. Since when does what happened with Bale have any relevance to Kane? I could list all the reasons why they are different though on the other hand....

Yes, you weren't desperate to make up for overspending on a new stadium by £300m when you sold Bale, to start with.
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Re: Spurs
« Reply #9758 on: February 21, 2018, 07:47:58 am »
Yes, you weren't desperate to make up for overspending on a new stadium by £300m when you sold Bale, to start with.

You do realise the stadium is fully financed and we don't have to sell the likes of Kane because of it? Well clearly you don't.

Amongst the other reasons where Kane is different from the Bale situation...how long have you got?

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« Reply #9759 on: February 21, 2018, 07:51:56 am »
I actually don't think Kane will leave England, doesn't comea acrosse as the sort of person with the nouse or bravery, sophistication or savvy to want to leave his comfort zone, and actually try a new league. Not to say he'll stay at Spurs. I can see him moving to Man Utd or City in the next couple years.

Really really unlikely we'd ever sell to another PL club.

Agree I don't think Spain is that attractive an option but only Kane really knows.