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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #320 on: December 13, 2010, 09:04:17 am »
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #321 on: December 13, 2010, 03:29:56 pm »
Apparently Amazon has come out and said the downtime was due to hardware issues and not "hackers"...

Ok, Amazon.   ::)

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« Reply #322 on: December 13, 2010, 04:55:42 pm »

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #323 on: December 13, 2010, 05:00:03 pm »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/qQ1TOtApOqY" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/qQ1TOtApOqY</a>

Interesting vid this, ok it gets a bit potty 1/3 in put it gets sensible again.
Shows how some US politicians want Britain to extradite him to the US, I guess the US is not behing this Rape case at all then so..
Some former CIA people praise him, It is a red herring to suggest lives have been put in danger.. and so on.. anyway, worth the watch..

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #324 on: December 13, 2010, 05:00:52 pm »
Inside 'Anonymous': tales from within the group taking aim at Amazon and Mastercard

Though it sounds like a coordinated organisation, the reality is that it's more like a stampeding herd - and members are fearful of standing up and being counted


Screenshot from IRC on Anonymous Screenshot from IRC showing how many members are in each of the forums relating to subjects being discussed by the Anonymous group. #hackers is where source code is swapped; #operationpayback is where targets are 'chosen'; #target is where methods are discussed

"Just don't use my name, OK, please?" said the person on the other end of the phone. "I don't want this to get out." His cause for concern? He'd helped produce some innocuous content - nothing actionable legally in any way - for "Anonymous", the vague online group spawned by 4Chan's /b/ forums.

The real reason he was worried wasn't that he thought law enforcement might find out. He was worried about other people in Anonymous finding out - because in that group, to stand up and identify yourself is seen as the worst thing you can do. Stripping off the Anonymous mask is viewed as a form of betrayal by the wider group.

How do I know? I spent a big chunk of Thursday inside the Internet Relay Chat forums where Anonymous makes its decisions - and what a mess that turns out to be. I was led there not by the person I was speaking to above, but by someone else who had got in touch because he felt that the group was being misrepresented, and that the public comments of "Coldblood" were rubbish, the commentary of someone who had no right to be called a "spokesman" for the group.

One thing both my interviewees had in common is recent contact with higher education: one is still a student in the UK, while the other recently left a British university. They're living in completely different countries (one in the UK, one in the EU) but both frequent the same IRC channels, oblivious of each other.

My main guide we'll call an0n (his chosen name for our conversation, though not his online handle). He's been using /b/ for about four years. He showed me how to get onto the IRC rooms where the chatter was trying to identify the next target - this at a time when the Mastercard web server had just been knocked offline.

The choosing of a target is a messy process - you could barely call a process except that it has an outcome (or sometimes none). You have to know the right server, and the right rooms on those servers. Nobody entirely trusts anyone (you'll see accusations that people are "Feds") and about the only people who seem legit are the occasional journalists who've found their way there and are asking questions like "who are you attacking next?".

They get lost in the flow: these chatrooms have up to 3,000 people, and the questions come in a stream and pass by in a river of commentary, observations, links and jokes. You wouldn't say that it's directed; more that it swings in various directions like a flock of birds, apparently aware of its own vector but unable to force it on any of its members.

My guide pointed out that the Anonymous group is conflicted from its core, because it's an outgrowth of people who themselves have come from /b/, which means that many aren't that interested in morality. They're in it for the lulz - or they're into whatever Anonymous and its associated scenes are doing for the money. Which means that the idea of attacking Amazon, or PayPal, or Twitter, over a moral or ethical issue is something of a new experience for the group. Usually they're into tormenting people.

"I've seen some people do some fucked up shit 'for the lulz'," an0n told me. "People trolling RIP pages on Facebook, missing girls pages. It's the most racist, xenophobic place on the internet. It's addictive, and it pisses [outside] people off."

And there's the money too. That can mean circulating cracked software, serial keys, keygen [licence key generating] software, logins and passwords for paid sites, and so on. Again, morals and ethics aren't uppermost.

"If you had a DVD of Harry Potter 7 Part 1, you would make 12-15 grand selling it to the [hacker] scene [on IRC]", my guide explained. He didn't want to give any details other than that he's a university student in the UK: "I've been pirating since I was 12", he says, when a sibling showed him how to pirate Nintendo 64 games.

I did confirm, in a roundabout way, various details (he is a student, and certainly on /b/), but agreed not to reveal any more about his identity - not his age or real online handle - because, just like the other person I spoke to, he is worried about online retribution.

The real thing about Anonymous, he says, is that it's like Fight Club, where you don't say that you're in it, and you certainly don't speak as if you're representing it, or know what it's going to do - as Coldblood (Guardian audio interview, BBC Today transcript) did last week. Coldblood's name is mud in those forums and on /b/. "He's a fraud," insisted my contact, who wanted to show what it's really like inside there. (Although the reality turns out to be that Coldblood isn't a fake; he's just someone who has offended the Anonymous hivemind by representing it. Which worker bee speaks for all of them?)

An0n is disdainful of the people who are really behind Anonymous and on /b/: "In essence what we are dealing with here is a group of men with the brains of children, so naturally those of us looking to get something done are warring with a constant battle of one-upmanship."

Certainly, the chatrooms are overflowing with classic aggressive-male posturing, the sort that's so easy to do online: anyone you don't like or has done something you think is wrong is a "fag", nobody else there can ever have had sex, nobody cares about the outcomes of their actions. You're never going to mistake it for Mumsnet.

But there's the jostling crowd inside the chatrooms - and then there are the serious people who are actually making a difference. Even with 3,000 people in the group, that's going to make little difference to a site like Mastercard or Amazon. But an0n pointed out that there are more serious players in there: "I know a guy who is using a botnet of 25k computers to do this," he observed. Hired, I asked, or his own creation? "No idea," came the reply. "He used to hack a lot, so it could well be his. He's a scene hacker, which is as good as you get."

And he didn't think the attack on PayPal would really work, because it wouldn't garner the backing of those with the real hacker skills required: "we're all pirates - we all use PayPal on a daily basis. Plus [PayPal] met our demands [to release funds to Wikileaks]: the reason the attack took place was because they froze Assange's funds. They have unfrozen them due to Operation Payback." Plus, "there are plenty on /b/, largely American who wholeheartedly agree with the arrest of Assange."

In fact it's difficult - perhaps wrong - to call Anonymous a group. It is, but only in the loosest sense; it's more like a stampeding herd, not sure quite what it wants but certain that it's not going to put up with any obstacles, until it reaches an obstacle it can't hurdle, in which case it moves on to something else.

How long, I asked an0n, did he think the group would keep Amazon and PayPal in its sights? "One or two weeks," he guessed. In fact, it already looks like less than that - on Saturday a Twitter announcement seemed to suggest that it would instead try to distribute existing Wikileaks content via Bittorrent. So, three days of insurrection.

The other intriguing element about the group is the fear - it's the only useful word - expressed by people "inside" it about being linked to it. You have to think that it's a strange sort of group that suppresses acknowledgement of membership while professing to favour freedom.

But of course Anonymous isn't really about freedom; it doesn't have a manifesto as such. It's a loose collective mainly of teenagers with some time on their hands, and older people (almost all men) with more nous and considerably more technical skills.

Some readers might, at this point, say "well, they'll have grown up - in four or five years' time they'll all be busy with jobs and real life will have intruded - it's a self-limiting proposition."

However experience shows that the internet constantly renews itself: there's always a younger, impressionable generation joining which will push the barriers further than the previous ones. Before 1997, the problem was that every September the net would see an influx of new college and university students who'd not had internet access before, and would run around making stupid mistakes (often involving reposting "Make Money Fast" pyramid scams in the mistaken belief that they might work, and weren't illegal).

Then in 1999 or so came the first generation of higher education students who'd already used the net at home. They were also the Napster generation. Since then, every successive year has pushed access to the net earlier and earlier, meaning that what was novel to the previous one becomes commonplace for successors. Peer-to-peer? Done it. Bittorrent? Everyone does. Swarming attacks on sites? It's new this year, but it will be standard procedure in a year or two.

This generation of Anonymous members is going to grow up. But the idea won't go away.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #325 on: December 13, 2010, 05:49:20 pm »
Have the references to UFOs been released yet? Curious to see what's mentioned.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #326 on: December 13, 2010, 05:57:33 pm »
Have the references to UFOs been released yet? Curious to see what's mentioned.
not yet

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #327 on: December 13, 2010, 06:02:06 pm »
Very Interesting read.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #328 on: December 13, 2010, 07:01:19 pm »
It's true to say that if Shankly had told us to invade Poland we'd be queuing up 10 deep all the way from Anfield to the Pier Head.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #329 on: December 14, 2010, 04:18:49 am »

Julian Assange tops readers poll for Time Magazine Person on the Year



The man behind WikiLeaks has won the most votes in this year's Person of the Year poll.

Readers voted a total of 1,249,425 times, and the favorite was clear. Julian Assange raked in 382,020 votes, giving him an easy first place. He was 148,383 votes over the silver medalist, Recep Tayyip Ergodan, Prime Minister of Turkey.

(See the top 10 everything of 2010.)

But Assange wasn't the winner in all aspects -- Lady Gaga trounced him on Facebook, receiving 65,417 "likes" on Facebook to Assange's 45,643. See the top 10 readers' choices below, and view the full poll here.

   1. Julian Assange
   2. Recep Tayyip Ergodan
   3. Lady Gaga
   4. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert
   5. Glenn Beck
   6. Barack Obama
   7. Steve Jobs
   8. The Chilean Miners
   9. The Unemployed American
  10. Mark Zuckerberg



Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/13/julian-assange-readers-choice-for-times-person-of-the-year-2010/#ixzz183YkjQOa

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #330 on: December 14, 2010, 06:35:55 am »

Julian Assange tops readers poll for Time Magazine Person on the Year



The man behind WikiLeaks has won the most votes in this year's Person of the Year poll.

Readers voted a total of 1,249,425 times, and the favorite was clear. Julian Assange raked in 382,020 votes, giving him an easy first place. He was 148,383 votes over the silver medalist, Recep Tayyip Ergodan, Prime Minister of Turkey.

(See the top 10 everything of 2010.)

But Assange wasn't the winner in all aspects -- Lady Gaga trounced him on Facebook, receiving 65,417 "likes" on Facebook to Assange's 45,643. See the top 10 readers' choices below, and view the full poll here.

   1. Julian Assange
   2. Recep Tayyip Ergodan
  3. Lady Gaga
   4. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert
   5. Glenn Beck
   6. Barack Obama
   7. Steve Jobs
   8. The Chilean Miners
   9. The Unemployed American
  10. Mark Zuckerberg


Read more: http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/12/13/julian-assange-readers-choice-for-times-person-of-the-year-2010/#ixzz183YkjQOa

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #331 on: December 14, 2010, 03:47:01 pm »
Have the references to UFOs been released yet? Curious to see what's mentioned.

They have indeed. It has confirmed that bacon face is truely from the planet zog, he is the leader of the cuntish clan aka the FA and martin tylers monkey is the bum chum of big sam.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #332 on: December 14, 2010, 04:15:31 pm »
He will be freed on bail, probably tomorrow, pending appeal by the Swedish/British prosecutors later today.

Judge seemed to think that there isn't much in the case, as he said "the stronger the case, the more likely the defendant is to abscond, the weaker the case, the less likely", and then gave him bail.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #333 on: December 14, 2010, 07:42:16 pm »
Havent picked up on any of this yet>

Can anybody fill us in on this latest topic the goyim are obsessed with.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #334 on: December 14, 2010, 07:46:29 pm »
Havent picked up on any of this yet>

Can anybody fill us in on this latest topic the goyim are obsessed with.
mostly about the strangeness about this rape case, and the pressure being exerted by the US Gov

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« Reply #335 on: December 14, 2010, 07:51:36 pm »
mostly about the strangeness about this rape case, and the pressure being exerted by the US Gov

To my knowledge he has tgried to expose Governments and know he's perhaps getting framed for rape?
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #336 on: December 14, 2010, 07:57:07 pm »
To my knowledge he has tgried to expose Governments and know he's perhaps getting framed for rape?
well he hasn't just tried, he has succeeded. And he is not being tried for rape, according to our good swedish friends on the forum here he is being tried for a sexual misdemeanour  so to speak.. It certainly does look like a smear campaign, and if you notice the word the media is mostly focused on "RAPE", which is diluting the leaks and credibility of the man. speaks volumes about these Democratic governments.

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« Reply #337 on: December 14, 2010, 08:03:56 pm »
well he hasn't just tried, he has succeeded. And he is not being tried for rape, according to our good swedish friends on the forum here he is being tried for a sexual misdemeanour  so to speak.. It certainly does look like a smear campaign, and if you notice the word the media is mostly focused on "RAPE", which is diluting the leaks and credibility of the man. speaks volumes about these Democratic governments.

Interesting.

It's like something from a film. He's lucky it;s just a smear campaign and not a bullet to the head. Another thing. Why are people so convinced that it's the truth and not dis information? I ioant sticking up for Governments here as you all know how I feel about those lying murdering fuckers. But why are people so convinced?
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #338 on: December 14, 2010, 08:12:42 pm »
Interesting.

It's like something from a film. He's lucky it;s just a smear campaign and not a bullet to the head. Another thing. Why are people so convinced that it's the truth and not dis information? I ioant sticking up for Governments here as you all know how I feel about those lying murdering fuckers. But why are people so convinced?
Generally speaking, most people dont believe he is guilty of Rape, its all so bizarre, i mean it the original rape case was thrown out of the courts in sweden a day after being alleged. then its brought back up again, and then we are told that actually he is not being accused of rape, but there are no details coming out really. Anyway it stinks of smear campaign. The running list for Times man of the year confirms that, he is the out right leader in the votes for this award, wasnt it Barack who got it the previous year? quite interesting that..

I dont think they would dare assassinate him, as that would vindicate him, and in my opinion make him a martyr for Freedom of Speach. From the position of a dirty government who doesnt want their secrets lose, then accusing him of Rape and making him a sex offender is the best was to suppress what he is trying to say, take away his dignity and credibility, and you lessen the threat.

It stinks though, especially in light if the USA lauding the Chinese Nobel prize winner, yet the same guy is locked up in China, well the tables have turned, and its the USA's turn to act like China, and be on the back foot.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #339 on: December 14, 2010, 08:14:23 pm »
BTW Kesey, i posted a very good documentary a page or so back, its 1hr long but sheds a good light on the entire thing.. Were are couple of good articles posted, one is about 3 pages back or so, its long, but its worthy... i re quoted it once or twice so people would not miss it.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #340 on: December 14, 2010, 08:18:00 pm »
The charges against Assange are pretty nebulous even if they are criminal acts in Sweden (wouldn't be in most places). One charge relates to a  woman reckoning they had consensual sex but he didn't use a condom when explicitly asked to. Well how do you prove they had sex, how do you prove he didn't use a condom, how do you prove she explicitly asked him to use a condom, how do you prove he knew she wanted him to use a condom but he ignored her etc etc. The authorities are scraping the barrel to find something to nail him with.

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« Reply #341 on: December 14, 2010, 08:21:07 pm »
BTW Kesey, i posted a very good documentary a page or so back, its 1hr long but sheds a good light on the entire thing.. Were are couple of good articles posted, one is about 3 pages back or so, its long, but its worthy... i re quoted it once or twice so people would not miss it.

I'll try to look at it. 

What do people think about the Telegrapgh saying that he was wind and dined in the White House last year?    More bullshit or fact? 

Thats whay I have stayed away from it. As if my heads not full of all sorts at the minute. The truth will come out and there's big change happening in our Universe. But if this guy is telling the truth then fair play and its nice to see the fuckers running scared and on the back foot.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #342 on: December 14, 2010, 08:23:47 pm »
Sorry. It wasn't the White House it was a US Embassy cocktail party in Iceland.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #343 on: December 14, 2010, 08:24:51 pm »
Why are people so convinced that it's the truth and not dis information?
Not all of us are convinced, Kesey. There's are plenty of people who will get what they want as a result of these leaks and the whole story just seems so far-fetched.

Assange is interviewed in this 'hot off the press' film by John Pilger showing tonight 10.35 pm ITV. Aside from the Assange part the the film may well be of interest to subscribers of this thread. I think the main emphasis is the cowardly nature of the media constantly following the official line with an emphasis on the utter bollocks and government lies that was WMDs.
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/johnpilgerthewaryoudontsee/week50/default.html




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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #344 on: December 14, 2010, 08:26:10 pm »
I'll try to look at it. 

What do people think about the Telegrapgh saying that he was wind and dined in the White House last year?    More bullshit or fact? 

Thats whay I have stayed away from it. As if my heads not full of all sorts at the minute. The truth will come out and there's big change happening in our Universe. But if this guy is telling the truth then fair play and its nice to see the fuckers running scared and on the back foot.
no one has said the leaks are not the truth, i don't think there really is a question of is this the truth or not.. The argument has continued to be centered around whether he should have released this information.. Remember he posted Sarah Palins yahoo emails also, she was using that account for official business so she could get around some law restricting Government email correspondance.. He exposed a regime in Kenya, and his own Australian government when he was much younger. He has a track record of getting the truth, but has had a tough upbringing too, so perhaps its the weaknesses they will focus on..

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #345 on: December 14, 2010, 08:26:53 pm »
thanks Finchie, will look out for that.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #346 on: December 14, 2010, 08:45:44 pm »
Not all of us are convinced, Kesey. There's are plenty of people who will get what they want as a result of these leaks and the whole story just seems so far-fetched.

Assange is interviewed in this 'hot off the press' film by John Pilger showing tonight 10.35 pm ITV. Aside from the Assange part the the film may well be of interest to subscribers of this thread. I think the main emphasis is the cowardly nature of the media constantly following the official line with an emphasis on the utter bollocks and government lies that was WMDs.
http://www.itv.com/presscentre/johnpilgerthewaryoudontsee/week50/default.html


It does seem a bit strange with all the attention / air play it's been getting. My gut instinct ells me that it's a smokescreen for something else. I've just seen sone of the footage conman. I felt anger welling up inside beacause of what  those fascist mind controlled war machine thugs ( who call themselves soldiers ) were doing. Had to stop viewing mate.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #347 on: December 14, 2010, 08:49:46 pm »
It does seem a bit strange with all the attention / air play it's been getting. My gut instinct ells me that it's a smokescreen for something else. I've just seen sone of the footage conman. I felt anger welling up inside beacause of what  those fascist mind controlled war machine thugs ( who call themselves soldiers ) were doing. Had to stop viewing mate.
It is tough viewing alright.

Kesey, In reference to that comment you made there about Governments, i would presume you have read Shantaram (the book by David Gregory Roberts), if so, can you remember the passage he wrote about Armies, governments, police and so forth? I thought it was on the back cover, but i cannot find it..

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #348 on: December 14, 2010, 08:53:27 pm »
It is tough viewing alright.

Kesey, In reference to that comment you made there about Governments, i would presume you have read Shantaram (the book by David Gregory Roberts), if so, can you remember the passage he wrote about Armies, governments, police and so forth? I thought it was on the back cover, but i cannot find it..

I did read that book but can't remember what he said. Tell you hwat you're best doing . Just read the first page and before you know it you'll be hooked again and go through it in no time.
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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #349 on: December 14, 2010, 08:55:10 pm »
I did read that book but can't remember what he said. Tell you hwat you're best doing . Just read the first page and before you know it you'll be hooked again and go through it in no time.
nah nah, im studyin.. no way, that book is addictive, my joint favourite book with "a short history of nearly everything".. I'll read it again someday, but not now, oooooh no.. :D

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #350 on: December 14, 2010, 08:56:25 pm »
The biggest problem with corruption as a form of government, is that it works so well.

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« Reply #351 on: December 14, 2010, 09:17:52 pm »
BTW Kesey, i posted a very good documentary a page or so back, its 1hr long but sheds a good light on the entire thing.. Were are couple of good articles posted, one is about 3 pages back or so, its long, but its worthy... i re quoted it once or twice so people would not miss it.

That is a fantastic documentary, cheers for posting Conor. A real eye opener i have to say.

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« Reply #353 on: December 14, 2010, 11:28:38 pm »
The biggest problem with corruption as a form of government, is that it works so well.

Read more: http://www.funenclave.com/bookworm/a-few-quotes-from-shantaram-masterpiece-8808.html#ixzz187biWPHr

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« Reply #354 on: December 15, 2010, 02:51:05 am »
Wikileaks founder Assange bailed, but release delayed

he founder of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, Julian Assange, has been granted bail in London on conditions including cash guarantees of £240,000.

But he will remain in prison pending an appeal against the bail decision lodged by Swedish prosecutors.

Mr Assange is fighting extradition to Sweden, where he is accused of sexually assaulting two women earlier this year.

He denies the charges, which he says are politically motivated and designed to discredit him.

His lawyer Mark Stephens said the case was turning into a "show trial".

A large crowd including demonstrators, reporters and a number of Mr Assange's high-profile supporters gathered outside City of Westminster Magistrates' Court for the bail hearing on Tuesday.

Journalists inside the court were given permission by the judge to report on proceedings live via micro-blogging website Twitter.

Mr Assange was granted bail on condition he provides a security of £200,000 to the court, with a further £40,000 guaranteed in two sureties of £20,000 each.

Mr Stephens said almost half the bail money had been raised and he was confident they would have all the cash before the appeal hearing.

Mr Assange must also surrender his passport, obey a curfew at an address in Suffolk, wear an electronic tag and report to a local police station every evening.

Mr Stephens said the High Court would hear the challenge to the bail decision within the next 48 hours.

Speaking outside court, he said: "The Swedes won't abide by the umpire's decision. They want to put Mr Assange through yet more trouble, more expense, more hurdles.

"They clearly will not spare any expense but to keep Mr Assange in jail."

In his first appearance at court last week, Mr Assange was refused bail on the grounds he could flee - despite the offer of sureties from figures including film director Ken Loach.

Lawyer Gemma Lindfield, representing the Swedish authorities, argued on Tuesday that the court had "already found that Mr Assange is a flight risk" and "nothing has changed since last week to allay the court's fears in this regard".

But District Judge Howard Riddle disagreed, saying that questions about Mr Assange's place of residence and the circumstances of his arrival in the UK had both now been cleared up.

Following the bail decision, human rights activist Bianca Jagger said: "I was very pleased with what happened and I am glad that due process has taken place. I trust the British legal system and I hope justice will be done."

But she expressed concern that the case had been "politicised".

Before the appeal against release was announced, Mr Loach said such a move by the Swedish authorities would "show there is some vindictiveness that goes beyond this particular case".

He added: "It would show there is some political element to the case, as clearly he is entitled to be given bail."

Author Yvonne Ridley said: "It is a victory for common sense. If he had been refused bail, it would have meant the court had become a political arena."

Mr Assange is accused of having unprotected sex with a woman, identified only as Miss A, when she insisted he use a condom.

The Australian is also accused of having unprotected sex with another woman, Miss W, while she was asleep.

The extradition case is due to return to the magistrates' court on 11 January.

Earlier on Tuesday, Mr Assange's mother told Australian television station Channel 7 that she had spoken to her son in prison.

"I told him how people all over the world, in all sorts of countries, were standing up with placards and screaming out for his freedom and justice, and he was very heartened by that," Christine Assange said.

"As a mother, I'm asking the world to stand up for my brave son."

Mrs Assange also read a statement from him, which she had copied down when he spoke to her from Wandsworth Prison. In it, he defended the actions of Wikileaks, adding: "My convictions are unfaltering."

Mr Stephens said his client had not been given any of his post - including letters relating to legal letters - since being remanded in custody.

"He has absolutely no access to any electronic equipment, no access to the outside world, no access to outside media," he said.

The lawyer said the only correspondence his client had received was a note telling him that a copy of Time magazine sent to him had been destroyed because the cover bore his photograph.

In recent weeks, Wikileaks has published a series of US diplomatic cables revealing secret information on topics such as terrorism and international relations.

The latest release, published by the Guardian newspaper, shows that the US had concerns after the 7 July bombings that the UK was not doing enough to tackle home-grown extremists.

Another cable claims British police helped "develop" evidence against Madeleine McCann's parents after she went missing.

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« Reply #355 on: December 15, 2010, 02:57:31 am »
Q&A: Arrest of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange

The founder of whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, Julian Assange, has been refused bail by a court in London but vowed to fight extradition to Sweden - but what are the issues involved?

Why has Julian Assange been arrested?

Mr Assange has been arrested under a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) because he has been accused of committing serious crimes in Sweden. These alleged crimes comprise one count of unlawful coercion, two counts of sexual molestation, and one count of rape. The offences are alleged to involve two women and to have taken place in August 2010. Mr Assange denies the allegations.

The European Arrest Warrant scheme was incorporated into the Extradition Act 2003. It was a response to the 11 September attacks and the raised terrorist threat in Europe.

It is designed to promote co-operation between prosecuting authorities across Europe and provides for a much simpler extradition process between member states.

Why has he been refused bail? How usual is this, particularly given that he has not been charged?

Mr Assange has been refused bail because District Judge Howard Riddle made a finding that he had the "means and ability" to abscond, and that he was satisfied that there were "substantial grounds to believe if I granted bail, he would fail to surrender".

He also said that he believed Mr Assange "may be at risk from unstable persons".

The judge would also have taken account of the seriousness of the alleged offences. It is a general rule that the more serious the alleged offences, the higher the risk of a person absconding.

It is not unusual for non-British nationals to be refused bail pending their extradition hearing. Indeed, the fact that they are non-British is sometimes seen by the courts as making them a 'flight risk'.

What happens next?

There is another hearing on 14 December 2010. This is unlikely to be the full extradition hearing. That should take place within 21 days of the arrest.

However, in a case as high profile as this, it is possible that a full extradition hearing will not take place for several months.

At that hearing Mr Assange will be able to challenge the warrant and raise any defences to the extradition request.

The key grounds on which a court can refuse an extradition request under the EAW scheme are technical.

For example, that you are not the person named in the EAW, that it has not been properly completed, or that the time limit for prosecuting the offence has expired.

What evidence will the UK take into account? Will it consider the defence claims that the accusations against Mr Assange are politically motivated?

Yes. Under Section 13 of the Extradition Act 2003 a person's extradition is barred if there is evidence to prove that the warrant, though purporting to be issued on account of the alleged sexual offences, is in fact issued for the purpose of prosecuting or punishing Mr Assange on account of his political opinions.

Alternatively, extradition is barred if it can be proved that Mr Assange might be prejudiced at his trial or punished, detained or restricted in his liberty, by reason of his political opinions.

Mr Assange's lawyer Mark Stephens has made it clear that extradition will be challenged on these grounds. He has said that "this appears to be a persecution and prosecution".

He has also claimed that an initial decision to drop the rape investigation was reversed after the intervention of a 'political' figure, Claes Borgstrom, who is now acting for the two women involved.

There will also clearly be enormous focus on the wider political issues thrown up by the Wikileaks revelations.

The English courts have stopped extradition on grounds of political motivation. For example, in a number of cases involving requests by Russia for the extradition of Russian nationals, they have found that the warrants were politically motivated.

However, Sweden is a very different country from Russia, and mounting a defence on these grounds may prove far more challenging for Mr Assange's legal team.

Can he challenge a decision to extradite him? How long might the process take?

Yes. There is a right to appeal the decision to extradite. This appeal would be heard by the Administrative Court.

A notice of appeal must be lodged within seven days of the decision to extradite. The Administrative Court should hear the appeal within 40 days of the notice being lodged. However, in practice this can often take three to four months.

It is possible to appeal from the Administrative Court to the Supreme Court, but only if the Administrative Court certifies that the appeal involves a point of law of general public importance and either it, or the Supreme Court grants leave to appeal.

It is then possible to appeal against the decision of the Supreme Court to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg.

During an extended appeals process, there is also a very limited scope to bring judicial reviews of certain aspects of the extradition procedure. If this was done however, it would add time to the overall appeals process, which in total could take up to a year.

What would happen if the United States made a request to extradite Mr Assange from the UK?

When there are two competing claims to extradite someone, the home secretary has to decide which takes precedence. In making that decision, he or she will take into account the relative seriousness of the offences for which the person's extradition is sought, where the offences were committed, and the timing of the two requests.

Extradition to the United States is governed by the Extradition Act 2003. This provisions governing extradition between the two countries has been criticised for creating a lop-sided relationship under which the United States no longer has to provide prima facie evidence - normally in the form of witness statements - that an offence has been committed.

That criticism was voiced in relation to the case of the so called 'Nat West Three'.

If Mr Assange is extradited to Sweden and the United States wanted to extradite him from there, they would need the consent of the United Kingdom.

Such an extradition would be conducted in accordance with Swedish law and the extradition arrangements agreed between Sweden and the United States.

It has been suggested that it would be easier for the United States to extradite Mr Assange from Sweden than from the United Kingdom.

This does not appear to be the case as the United States would have to show that there were reasonable grounds for the extradition from Sweden. This is arguably a higher test than the test which applies when an extradition is sought from the United Kingdom.

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #356 on: December 15, 2010, 12:46:36 pm »
Mate, good write up but the fact remains he has pissed many people off in high places and is fucked no matter what. They will get their man and they will throw the key away.

I think he should get the noble peace prize myself, he can then do 11 years in China !

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Re: Wikileaks:
« Reply #357 on: December 15, 2010, 01:02:39 pm »

Julian Assange tops readers poll for Time Magazine Person on the Year



The man behind WikiLeaks has won the most votes in this year's Person of the Year poll.

Readers voted a total of 1,249,425 times, and the favorite was clear. Julian Assange raked in 382,020 votes, giving him an easy first place. He was 148,383 votes over the silver medalist, Recep Tayyip Ergodan, Prime Minister of Turkey.

(See the top 10 everything of 2010.)

But Assange wasn't the winner in all aspects -- Lady Gaga trounced him on Facebook, receiving 65,417 "likes" on Facebook to Assange's 45,643. See the top 10 readers' choices below, and view the full poll here.

   1. Julian Assange
   2. Recep Tayyip Ergodan
   3. Lady Gaga
   4. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert
   5. Glenn Beck
   6. Barack Obama
   7. Steve Jobs
   8. The Chilean Miners
   9. The Unemployed American
  10. Mark Zuckerberg



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Mark Zuckerberg was just named it. Moved from 10th to 1st :)
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« Reply #358 on: December 15, 2010, 01:52:04 pm »
I just don't know what to make of all this stuff.

Must admit that spiral in the sky last December did fascinate me and I reckon it was defo HAARP and the US Goverment.

Wikileaks, the US secret bunker, the Gulf of Aden Vortex: Contact made?

Tell you what.  Iam off to hide for a few years and just hope that all is settled when I come back.      :wave

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« Reply #359 on: December 15, 2010, 03:21:14 pm »
Ok reading that link Kesey, that seems like some fucked up shit..and some cause for real concern, hope the file gets released.
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