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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #80 on: March 10, 2024, 01:20:03 pm »
There’s a Hanks narrated documentary on the 100th on Friday (Apple TV). Hopefully that’ll be a bit more believable.

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #81 on: March 13, 2024, 01:45:40 pm »
I've enjoyed bits of it, but it's not anywhere close to Band of Brothers and The Pacific (which I don't know why people don't like but it's better than this).

Just doesn't have that level of grittiness, looks both too polished and also cheap, but also some of the CGI in earlier episodes was so ropey, it just takes you out of it completely. I understand the cast play people that certain things happen to, but the likes of Butler are totally wasted in it. You don't care about any of the characters at all. And there's nothing in the way of impact of the war, bar some shot of a train with people on the way to the concentration camps.

Best thing about it is the opening credits and music, then it goes downhill after that.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2024, 02:55:26 pm »
That final scene! My god the cgi was so ropey it gives you a complete kick back into reality. I just dont understand how in 2024 and with such a budget, you can fuck it so bad.

Overall, it was meh. I’d have liked more focus on Rosie. Didn’t give a crap about Bucky and Buck. Of course we had to get a bit of American flag porn in there too…

British have a right to feel aggrieved with how they are portrayed in the series, or omitted altogether.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2024, 04:59:11 pm »
Glad it's done and I can cancel my Apple subscription.
Just tried to cram too much in to too long a period of time and did it all with a Pearl Harbour gloss.
The flag scene just summed it all up. In fact the only time I ever felt any emotion through the whole thing was the end credits.

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #84 on: March 18, 2024, 06:10:52 pm »
Is there anywhere to watch it for free? I guess I could restart my Apple sub for a month but the reviews aren't making me want to pay for it.

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #85 on: March 18, 2024, 06:11:38 pm »
Pretty much my take. In Band of Brothers, the group who started at Currahee run through the series with some being lost and some recruits joining (Replacements). But they aren't just repeating the same battle, they deal with different scales of conflict, with different viewpoints, and for me, the main point is that in BoB they have agency. The last episode of Masters I watched kind of made the point for me. They are having a party because one crew has completed 25 missions and is going home and the general take on how to complete 25 missions is "be lucky".

Basically, if you're a crew member in a B-17 you do your job as best you can, but when fighters attack you or you fly through flak, it's luck and sheer weight of numbers that might get you through each mission.  If you have a successful mission it's actually boring from the bomber's point of view - the 'win' takes place thousands of feet below with tons of high explosive  blowing up munitions factories and civilian workers. So the drama is all about the flak/fighter/bomber interactions and things going pear-shaped.

With BoB, all I need to do is see the episode titles and it brings it all back: Currahee; Day of Days; Carentan; Replacements; Crossroads (possibly my favourite episode - I hear the sound of running boots and see the face of the young German soldier just from that one word title); Bastogne; The Breaking Point; The Last Patrol; Why We Fight; Points.

BoB was just brilliant in all respects.

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #86 on: March 18, 2024, 06:42:32 pm »
Is there anywhere to watch it for free? I guess I could restart my Apple sub for a month but the reviews aren't making me want to pay for it.
This works without a vpn.

https://fmoviesto.cc/watch-tv/masters-of-the-air-2024-full-23688.10261528

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #87 on: March 18, 2024, 07:26:03 pm »
I had high hopes about this and I thought the first episode was ok but it went downhill fast after that. It looked like so many films about the war and was full of tired old cliches. Like has been said here by a few, none of the characters were interesting. I gave up on it when they ended up in the POW camp. None of it looked real. And of course it's nowhere near as good as Band Of Brothers. I watched The Pacific years ago but I'm going to give it a rewatch. A few on here mentioned it's better the second time around. Hopefully it will help me forget Masters.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #88 on: March 18, 2024, 09:30:02 pm »
I had high hopes about this and I thought the first episode was ok but it went downhill fast after that. It looked like so many films about the war and was full of tired old cliches. Like has been said here by a few, none of the characters were interesting. I gave up on it when they ended up in the POW camp. None of it looked real. And of course it's nowhere near as good as Band Of Brothers. I watched The Pacific years ago but I'm going to give it a rewatch. A few on here mentioned it's better the second time around. Hopefully it will help me forget Masters.

Started The Pacific again this weekend after finishing masters, it’s still not quite BoB level but sooo much better than MotA.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #89 on: March 18, 2024, 09:44:13 pm »
Is there anywhere to watch it for free? I guess I could restart my Apple sub for a month but the reviews aren't making me want to pay for it.

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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2024, 10:33:55 pm »
This works without a vpn.

https://fmoviesto.cc/watch-tv/masters-of-the-air-2024-full-23688.10261528

Thanks for the link Huey, I can watch Warrior on this. Couldn't find it anywhere else.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #92 on: March 19, 2024, 06:52:26 am »
Oh dear. I was wondering what the flag thing was and then I saw it for my own eyes. The absolute worst. And to cap it all, when the camp is liberated the British pilot in the background is holding a pipe - just so we know he’s British. And the love affair between Buck and Bucky at the end needed a sick bag.

Watching the Bloody Hundred documentary a couple of things struck me. One was the commander who came in and instilled rigid discipline when they were flying in formation. Whereas Buck and Bucky were all cavalier and macho, insisting on flying missions, a good leader focused on making sure the people in his command were as safe as they could be under the worst circumstances. For me, ‘Rosie’ Rosenthal was the most interesting of all of the characters in the series and I’d have preferred him to be the centre of the story, a bit like Winters in BoB, rather than the knuckle-headed, macho Bucksters.

Another was the admission from one flyer, over footage of bomb craters across a massive landscape, that they couldn’t drop bombs in a “pickle barrel.”

All in all it was really disappointing and really shallow.
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #93 on: March 19, 2024, 07:06:25 am »
One last thought, those final scenes of the British children waving goodbye to the wonderful American flyers, and the grown-ups wandering back across the sleepy meadows to their villages, thoughtful and grateful to their saviours in the big silver birds…

Maybe they could have shown a bit of the massive devastation that aerial bombing did to the UK and across Europe.


A good Quora response to the question of day vs night bombing and ‘precision’ vs area bombing.

https://www.quora.com/In-Masters-of-the-Air-they-claim-the-USAF-did-precision-bombing-by-day-and-the-RAF-did-area-bombing-by-night-Is-that-true-Didnt-the-RAF-sometimes-bomb-by-day
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Re: Masters of the Air - HBO Series
« Reply #94 on: March 20, 2024, 01:04:17 am »
I enjoyed it, if that's the right word, binged watch the last 5 episodes over the last few days.

Whilst it missed the interview segments with the veterans that were present in Band of Brothers and the Pacific for obvious reasons, I did think the series was good and kind of showed the terror and danger of the daytime missions.

I've watched BoB three times, and the Pacific twice, would I watch this again possibly but not for a while.

I am going to watch the other two again though in the not too distant future
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