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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #960 on: November 28, 2011, 12:11:59 pm »
Chelsea (4-3-3): Cech; Ivanovic (Bosingwa 76), D Luiz, Terry (c), Cole; Ramires, Romeu, Meireles (Lampard 69); Sturridge, Drogba (Torres 76), Mata.
Unused subs Turnbull, Mikel, Malouda, Kalou.

That was their lineup vs Wolves. I would expect Cech, Mikel, Malouda& Torres to start and at least Mata and Sturridge to be rested. Terry injured and Meireles cup-tied(?). What's up with Lukaku, though? According to physio room he's not injured anymore but why wasn't he even on the bench in the last game?

LC should be the least of their priorities and we're going to make real push for this, so I'm feeling really confident ahead of the game. And in addition to a strong line-up (Reina, Kelly, Maxi, Spearing, Carroll, probably Lucas, maybe Bellamy, Enrique, Kuyt) we'll probably have Suarez on the bench as a super-sub so I would say we're favorites to win.

Also, our next game after this is on Monday while Chelsea's next game (Newcastle away, big, big game for them) is on Sat. AVB will have to consider the Newcastle game as their priority so that's another reason why he's not going to play their best possible lineup.

About Lukaku, I'd imagine its difficult to put an unexperienced teenager in a matchday squad that can include Drogba, Torres, Sturridge, Anelka, Kalou and Malouda. They simply dont have room for youngsters, otherwise the older players would start whining(probably).

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #961 on: November 28, 2011, 12:14:36 pm »
There has to be as much rotation as possible I think, Kelly for Johnson, Aurelio for Enrique, Maxi for Downing, Carroll for Suarez, Bellamy for Kuyt and Spearing for Lucas...

Adam is a brave man, as there is no real substitute for his position he will have to go through this 90 minutes again :)
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #962 on: November 28, 2011, 12:15:20 pm »
About Lukaku, I'd imagine its difficult to put an unexperienced teenager in a matchday squad that can include Drogba, Torres, Sturridge, Anelka, Kalou and Malouda. They simply dont have room for youngsters, otherwise the older players would start whining(probably).
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #963 on: November 28, 2011, 12:20:49 pm »
About Lukaku, I'd imagine its difficult to put an unexperienced teenager in a matchday squad that can include Drogba, Torres, Sturridge, Anelka, Kalou and Malouda. They simply dont have room for youngsters, otherwise the older players would start whining(probably).

Okay, I was just wondering if it's his fitness why he hasn't been in the squad because he was just injured and I don't know if he's fully recovered.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #964 on: November 28, 2011, 12:24:47 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night! So I go for

                            Reina

Kelly    -    Agger    -    Coates -    Enrique

Johnston*  -  Lukas   -   Adam  -  Maxi

                      Suarez - Kuyt

*This is a match where we could finally experiment Johnston as RM



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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #965 on: November 28, 2011, 12:28:18 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night! So I go for

                            Reina

Kelly    -    Agger    -    Coates -    Enrique

Johnston*  -  Lukas   -   Adam  -  Maxi

                      Suarez - Kuyt

*This is a match where we could finally experiment Johnston as RM

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #966 on: November 28, 2011, 12:28:29 pm »
Reina

Kelly            Carra             Coates           Aurelio*

Maxi           Spearing           Coady            Bellamy

Eccleston             Kuyt

* = If fit, if not then put Robinson in there.

Think we'll see something like that to be honest.


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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #967 on: November 28, 2011, 12:33:11 pm »


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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #968 on: November 28, 2011, 12:34:42 pm »
Our next game isn't until Monday after this either so I don't see the problem with 2 games in a few days..
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #969 on: November 28, 2011, 12:40:42 pm »
Reina

Kelly            Carra             Coates           Aurelio*

Maxi           Spearing           Coady            Bellamy

Eccleston             Kuyt

* = If fit, if not then put Robinson in there.

Think we'll see something like that to be honest.

This looks so weird that I'm going to have to ask. Is this a wind-up?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #970 on: November 28, 2011, 12:41:30 pm »
I'm genuinely excited about this match.
Maybe the win against them last week and our performance against City is making me over-confident, but we do have a tendency to bring it against the "bigger" teams.
If we can put away the smaller teams too, it's all smiles at Anfield.

PS : Seriously though, how beautiful would it be to do the double over Chelsea on their own turf?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #971 on: November 28, 2011, 12:42:30 pm »
I would give Suarez a rest for this , but otherwise a full strengh team unless they feel they haven recovered sufficiently, still out best chance of silverwear....

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #972 on: November 28, 2011, 12:42:42 pm »
Reina

Kelly            Carra             Coates           Aurelio*

Maxi           Spearing           Coady            Bellamy

Eccleston             Kuyt

* = If fit, if not then put Robinson in there.

Think we'll see something like that to be honest.

You think we'll give Coady a starting debut, and start Eccleston up front against Chelsea in the same competition we've been starting Luis Suarez against Exeter?

We're in it to win it, and this team would've made sense in the earlier rounds. But we're obviously focusing on trying to win at least one trophy this year, otherwise we wouldn't have put out such a strong side in the other games. I think we might see Kelly in for Johnson, Aurelio play if fit. But I'm positive that at least one of Lucas/Adam will start instead of Coady and either Suarez/Carroll/Downing start instead of Eccleston
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #973 on: November 28, 2011, 12:44:01 pm »
Not sure about that.  They really don't want to lose yet another game.  They may not be playing a full strength side, but I would expect Lampard and Torres to start for instance.

I expect Torres to start. Would hate it if he got a goal against us.

Even more reason to play a strong line up.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #974 on: November 28, 2011, 12:45:00 pm »
Carroll Bellamy
Maxi Spearing Lucas Henderson
Aurelio Carra Coates Kelly
Doni

There you go. Wouldn't want us to make so many changes normally, but with yesterday's game so close by, it's the team I'd want us to go with. I don't think they'll disappoint us. You can easily make that team a 4-5-1, which is what we changed to the last time we played them, when they took control of the game.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #975 on: November 28, 2011, 12:46:40 pm »
This looks so weird that I'm going to have to ask. Is this a wind-up?

Yes, managed to catch Aristotle though ;)

Genuinly think we'll see something like this:

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Kelly           Carra            Coates          Aurelio*

Lucas               Spearing

Maxi                   Suarez              Downing

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* = Enrique or Robinson instead if Aurelio isn't fit.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #976 on: November 28, 2011, 12:49:23 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night!

Yes, but in the old days the game was played at a snail's pace and half the players had a drink and smoke before the game!

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #977 on: November 28, 2011, 12:49:43 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night! So I go for

                            Reina

Kelly    -    Agger    -    Coates -    Enrique

Johnston*  -  Lukas   -   Adam  -  Maxi

                      Suarez - Kuyt

*This is a match where we could finally experiment Johnston as RM

Kenny, listen to this man, he talks sense. Ignore his spelling errors of LFC player names. I wouldn't experiment with Johnson as RM in this game as it is too big a game so we cannot afford to take risks.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #978 on: November 28, 2011, 12:51:54 pm »
Think we'll see something like that to be honest.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #979 on: November 28, 2011, 12:52:57 pm »
Yes, but in the old days the game was played at a snail's pace and half the players had a drink and smoke before the game!

Yeah but around the Christmas period PL clubs have played tow games in 3 days. All successful clubs in England have (and will continue to) played two games in 3 days.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #980 on: November 28, 2011, 12:56:13 pm »
Carroll will start. No doubt.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #981 on: November 28, 2011, 01:07:30 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night! So I go for

                            Reina

Kelly    -    Agger    -    Coates -    Enrique

Johnston*  -  Lukas   -   Adam  -  Maxi

                      Suarez - Kuyt

*This is a match where we could finally experiment Johnston as RM

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #982 on: November 28, 2011, 01:08:26 pm »
Look two posts up from yours.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #983 on: November 28, 2011, 01:09:24 pm »
Important game but there will be extensive changes.

If most of the squad players who have not had much game time start, there are 2 positions which will need to be filled by players from yesterday. We could see this lineout;

                      Doni
Kelly    Carra    Coates    Aurelio
           Spearing     _______
  _______     Bellamy      Maxi
                   Carroll

Kuyt could start at wide right, or Eccleston. Best option to partner Spearing would be Adam.

Perhaps Kuyt and Eccleston can play a half each, and Adam/Henderson can share the CM role over 90 mins.

Could have a few youngsters on the bench, the likes of Wilson, Flannagan, Robinson and Coady, and some of the first teamers like Reina, Skrtel, Downing etc to make up the numbers.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #984 on: November 28, 2011, 01:14:44 pm »
Lucas will start, I would be extremely surprised to see the kind of wholesale changes people are posting.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #985 on: November 28, 2011, 01:15:02 pm »
I am fed up with all this whingeing!!! In days gone by in the 70s and 80s the was no such thing as squad rotation (a full squad existed of no more than 14 players) and we had to play 2 matches back to back over Christmas (if one of the non removable fixtures Boxing Day or New Year fell on a Friday or Sunday... and normal Saturday match had to be played as well)... I checked it, it's true! Our next match is not before Monday night!

Yep, but in the old days they covered a lot less ground, at a lesser pace.

Now players are finely trained athletes, not pub geniuses.

And for the last time - not having another game before Monday means fuck all - it's the time BETWEEN the two games not the time after. You can't actually run harder or longer, thinking 'OK I've got til Monday off' if you can't actually physically do it as you're still tired from the last match. If the gas isn't there, it's not like you can just say to your car 'Oh, I'll fill up double at the next petrol station' - you can either do it or you can't. If you run out of fuel, you can't drive can you? regardless of promising the car future petrol.

Rotation is a fact of life now, to some degree.

Ferguson poached the idea even - winning several more leagues just when everyone thought he was losing it. City are using it this season to great effect. I watched barca the other night and Puyol and Fabregas were on the bench. OK, they lost but the principle is being used by all the top teams. It's sad to think people hark back to the old days, or even modern moronic managers like Martin O Neill - see his last season at Villa for proof that lack of rotation is damaging.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #986 on: November 28, 2011, 01:20:00 pm »
Important game but there will be extensive changes.

If most of the squad players who have not had much game time start, there are 2 positions which will need to be filled by players from yesterday. We could see this lineout;

                      Doni
Kelly    Carra    Coates    Aurelio
           Spearing     _______
  _______     Bellamy      Maxi
                   Carroll

Kuyt could start at wide right, or Eccleston. Best option to partner Spearing would be Adam.

Perhaps Kuyt and Eccleston can play a half each, and Adam/Henderson can share the CM role over 90 mins.

Could have a few youngsters on the bench, the likes of Wilson, Flannagan, Robinson and Coady, and some of the first teamers like Reina, Skrtel, Downing etc to make up the numbers.

With the exception of Doni, I definitely think all the players in that line-up will start. Robinson at left back with Aurelio in the centre of midfield could be a decent option. Failing that, I feel Lucas may start, given how important he is to us, even if he did cover an incredible amount of ground yesterday.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #987 on: November 28, 2011, 01:20:45 pm »
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Kelly    Carra     Skrtel    Enrique

Maxi   Lucas   Spearing  Downing

          Suarez   Bellamy
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #988 on: November 28, 2011, 01:21:11 pm »
Oh and don't get me started on Johnson at RW. He's a bloody brilliant right back. All you bottlers who want him further forward have A) no confidence or faith in one of our best players and B) no guts to take on teams with an attacking force.

The reason we bought him was to upgrade on the likes of Finnan, and even Arbeloa, in the attacking third. If you want to downgrade the whole bloody team by playing him out of position and then force Kelly to stay back as well, it's ridiculous. Better leaving him where he's plied his trade for, ooooh, about ten years, rather than a position he doesn't know, and which doesn't allow his extremely effective overlaps or unpredictable cutting inside runs?

would you buy Dani Alves and stick him on the right wing? Or just get a sodding right winger?

I prefer the combo of attacking right back and solid right winger better than a solid right back and fancy right winger - because with the solid fullback (Carra, or Finnan say), you will never need to worry about him attacking, whereas with an attacking RB (Alves, Johnson, Ramos even - yes I know he doesn't play there as much anymore) and a solid winger (Kuyt) the winger will still know where the goal is and the RB will cause problems for opposing defences.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #989 on: November 28, 2011, 01:27:06 pm »
ok so after a very good week for us...here's how i'd line us up:

                          Reina

Kelly   Carra   Skrtel   Aurelio/Robinson

Bellamy    Spearing   Henderson   Maxi

                     Kuyt
                             Carroll

Agger i'm hoping is wrapped up in cotton wool, as is Johnson and Gerrard until next Monday......Adam/Lucas/Suarez i would definately rest and only use if needed.

Kuyt can help out the midfield.....in fact there are alot of busy players in that lineup so we can definately give them the run around. Aurelio can even be used as left midfielder if he's able to play and Bellamy isn't...
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #990 on: November 28, 2011, 01:37:09 pm »
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Kelley Caragar Cotes Aurelyo
            Lukas Adams
  Hendresson Belami Maxy
                   Carol

I think Johnston and Suarez should definitely be rested for this.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #991 on: November 28, 2011, 01:41:02 pm »
Reina, Kelly, Carra, Coates, Aurelio, Spearing, Lucas, Bellamy, Maxi, Downing, Carroll

Bench: Doni, Wilson, Flanagan, Suarez, Kuyt, Hendo, Coady
That's a surprisingly strong lineup!
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #992 on: November 28, 2011, 01:46:55 pm »
Am I the only one tired of 'Johnson as a RM/winger' talk. He is our best RB, why push him forward and try to change his game?

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #993 on: November 28, 2011, 01:49:05 pm »
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I think Johnston and Suarez should definitely be rested for this.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #994 on: November 28, 2011, 01:49:44 pm »
Am I the only one tired of 'Johnson as a RM/winger' talk. He is our best RB, why push him forward and try to change his game?

Cos defenders should defend and midfielders should attack dontcha know?!?
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #995 on: November 28, 2011, 01:55:36 pm »
Am I the only one tired of 'Johnson as a RM/winger' talk. He is our best RB, why push him forward and try to change his game?

Nope it's the biggest load of bollocks for me.

Managers such as Rafa, Jose, Kenny and Capello don't have the forsight to see Johnson at RM, but posters on a football forum think he would be senstational there.

It's his late runs into space from a position at RB when the play is shifted over to the left that makes him so fucking effective. Watch his Chelsea goal again. He wouldn't have scored that playing RM.

Please let's not see this Johnson at RM bollocks sprouted again!

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #996 on: November 28, 2011, 01:56:00 pm »
Am I the only one tired of 'Johnson as a RM/winger' talk. He is our best RB, why push him forward and try to change his game?
We've done this enough in the past. Please, no more players out of position, it just dumbs down their- and our- ability to get the maximum out of them.

BUT- if it's a one-off thing like if we didn't have a RW fit for this game, then I'm all for it. He would've had to take one for the team. Fortunately, it isn't so.
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #997 on: November 28, 2011, 01:58:38 pm »
We've done this enough in the past. Please, no more players out of position, it just dumbs down their- and our- ability to get the maximum out of them.

BUT- if it's a one-off thing like if we didn't have a RW fit for this game, then I'm all for it. He would've had to take one for the team. Fortunately, it isn't so.
Apparently we have been trying him out at right mid in training.

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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #998 on: November 28, 2011, 02:00:11 pm »
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Re: Chelsea v Liverpool: League Cup QF - Tues 29th Nov - 19.45
« Reply #999 on: November 28, 2011, 02:03:44 pm »
Wondering if our best player,ie Lucas,can play another game after that grueling 90.Certainly hope so.
Got a feeling Dirk will be our only starter from yesterday.
Expecting Eccelston to be on the bench.