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rowan_d · « **Reply #62400 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:25:18 pm »

Has boxing always had this many pre-agreed rematch/mandatory defense clauses?

As a massive casual, it seems to sometimes get in the way of, or at least delay, bouts that people want to see.

Samie · « **Reply #62401 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:28:41 pm »

Mandatory defenses have always been there ever since the boxing organisations were created. You have to have a ranking of who's #1,#2 contenders etc

Fordy · « **Reply #62402 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:29:02 pm »

Quote from: Samie on February 23, 2020, 05:22:16 pm

Dillion Whyte was reinstated as the WBC #1 contender and has been for the last 3 years. He's definitely getting a shot at Fury at some point. Homecoming fight perhaps?

Can't see it happening.

Think Whyte would stick a nut on Hearn if he sorted out a Fury V AJ fight before getting him a shot at a title.

Felch Aid · « **Reply #62403 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:31:46 pm »

It's a difficult fight to call IF it happens. Fury is building a career in the USA and I see a third Wilder fight first before stupid belt and promotional nonsense takes over and nothing happens.
Arguably you can see Whyte getting another chance.

Still think Joshua has explosive power and combinations and is arguably a lot quicker than Wilder. Think AJ is a bit wiser after the Ruiz fight.

Just have a feeling we ain't seeing this year unless the.purse is ridiculous.

I've been a good boy · « **Reply #62404 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:45:32 pm »

Can't see Fury sticking around for much longer, he's said before he just wants the AJ fight and he's done. If Wilder takes the third fight, Whyte should go after Usyk. Hearn needs to announce the Joshua v Pulev fight already, taking ages!

Broad Spectrum · « **Reply #62405 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:45:33 pm »

Pretty sure WBC basically said Whyte wouldn’t be fighting for the belt until Spring 2021. So that gives them a full year to do fight number 3 of AJ.

Lusty · « **Reply #62406 on:** February 23, 2020, 05:46:25 pm »

Quote from: HardworkDedication on February 23, 2020, 05:22:53 pm

For me Joshua has a bog standard straight jab and sometimes a power jab. Fury has a harassing jab that he uses in different ways, sometimes as a distraction, or sometimes to pressure and move his opponent to offset them. I would also say Fury tends to telegraph his jab though with an awkward stutter step. I think the question is who uses the jab better for what? Fury is better at using the jab to manipulate space between fighters which is what he wants to do. AJ just throws his jab straight and looks for a right cross left hook or uppercut, or to close the distance and clinch or keep his opponent off.

As for footwork they are both clumsy and awkward but Fury uses all angles and planes of motion. AJ goes forward or back.

Actually meant Wilder and not Fury in that bolded bit, but yeah good post. I think with AJs jab he has the ability to double or triple it up which makes it really hard to deal with. Did it loads in early rounds against Wlad from memory.

Just think Joshua has much more options that Wilder has. He probably wins the shootout against Fury, or he could box well off the back foot like against Ruiz. Or he could come in 3 stone heavier than Wilder did and push Fury back. Would be a fascinating fight I think.

Samie · « **Reply #62407 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:00:24 pm »

We forget with AJ he has an accomplished amateur background. He's got the basics basically.

World and Olympic amateur champion has given him a solid base to start with. Wilder was never that. He was just blessed with freakish power.

Fordy · « **Reply #62408 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:16:30 pm »

Quote from: Broad Spectrum on February 23, 2020, 05:45:33 pm

Pretty sure WBC basically said Whyte wouldn’t be fighting for the belt until Spring 2021. So that gives them a full year to do fight number 3 of AJ.

The contract from Wilder v Fury was signed for Whyte got the green light.

Hearns plan before yesterday was:

AJ V Pulev
Usek v chisora
Whye V Povetkin

I can see Wilder taking the Fury 3rd fight and just watch what happens around him.

If Wilder doesn't want it I can see him fighting a Parker before fighting AJ in December if AJ beats Pulev.

Lusty · « **Reply #62409 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:21:56 pm »

Would quite like to see Wilder v Parker to be honest.

Samie · « **Reply #62410 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:22:35 pm »

Quote from: Lusty on February 23, 2020, 06:21:56 pm

Would quite like to see Wilder v Parker to be honest.

You could now Wilder might go back to fighting out in clubs.

Lusty · « **Reply #62411 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:28:20 pm »

Quote from: Samie on February 23, 2020, 06:22:35 pm

You could now Wilder might go back to fighting out in clubs.

Was he ever fighting at that level though? Parker would be the best name on Wilder's CV I reckon. Just ahead of big Audley

Samie · « **Reply #62412 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:31:49 pm »

Nah just messing with the big man.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #62413 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:36:37 pm »

I don't really like the big goon but that was the most enjoyable and exciting fight I've watched in ages,Wilder looked dead on his feet after the 2nd and from the 3rd on I feared for his safety.

Fury will destroy AJ.

El Lobo · « **Reply #62414 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:38:06 pm »

Have to admire the groundwork Fordy is putting in, ready for his ‘AJ is a coward and is ducking Fury’ shouts in a couple of weeks.

Legs · « **Reply #62415 on:** February 23, 2020, 06:57:21 pm »

Quote from: fucking appalled on February 23, 2020, 06:38:06 pm

Have to admire the groundwork Fordy is putting in, ready for his ‘AJ is a coward and is ducking Fury’ shouts in a couple of weeks.

It is all on what Wilder does now if he signs then AJ will fight Pulev.

If Wilder doesn’t sign then imo the boxing world has to make the fight happen AJ v Fury their would be no excuse to not do it.

The biggest loser in all of this is Whyte who has been completely screwed over by the WBC.

There is some good fights out there this year in the HW division.

Fordy · « **Reply #62416 on:** February 23, 2020, 07:59:03 pm »

Quote from: fucking appalled on February 23, 2020, 06:38:06 pm

Have to admire the groundwork Fordy is putting in, ready for his ‘AJ is a coward and is ducking Fury’ shouts in a couple of weeks.

Thanks mate..

Anyone seen Amir Khan? Is he still in hiding from Brook?

AJ joining him soon.

Fordy · « **Reply #62417 on:** February 23, 2020, 08:00:43 pm »

Quote from: Legs on February 23, 2020, 06:57:21 pm

It is all on what Wilder does now if he signs then AJ will fight Pulev.

If Wilder doesn’t sign then imo the boxing world has to make the fight happen AJ v Fury their would be no excuse to not do it.

The biggest loser in all of this is Whyte who has been completely screwed over by the WBC.

There is some good fights out there this year in the HW division.

Whyte needs to leave Hearn.

Samie · « **Reply #62418 on:** February 23, 2020, 08:02:16 pm »

For who? In the Uk nowadays it's Hearn or Warren and Warren is has virtually nobody now.

Legs · « **Reply #62419 on:** February 23, 2020, 08:23:07 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on February 23, 2020, 08:00:43 pm

Whyte needs to leave Hearn.

Well he isn’t happy with Eddie going by his tweet today.

He might be well paid at Matchroom which is possibly the only thing keeping him there.

His only other option is to go outside of the UK as Warren will put Fury first and Eddie will put Joshua first as they are the cash cows.

Medellin · « **Reply #62420 on:** February 23, 2020, 08:27:15 pm »

4-1 for the Fury KO

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #62421 on:** February 23, 2020, 09:02:45 pm »

Quote from: Samie on February 23, 2020, 08:02:16 pm

For who? In the Uk nowadays it's Hearn or Warren and Warren is has virtually nobody now.

Apart from the big one

Samie · « **Reply #62422 on:** February 23, 2020, 09:12:14 pm »

He's a puppet, Bob Arum is his actual promoter these days.

jizzspunk · « **Reply #62423 on:** February 23, 2020, 09:53:38 pm »

What would you like to see next?

Wilder v Ruiz
Fury v Whyte
AJ v Mandatory...
Then the unification

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #62424 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:11:04 pm »

Quote from: jizzspunk on February 23, 2020, 09:53:38 pm

What would you like to see next?

Wilder v Ruiz
Fury v Whyte
AJ v Mandatory...
Then the unification

Fury v AJ but whilst Wilder would be crazy not to trigger the rematch,he'd also be crazy to trigger it.

dikwad · « **Reply #62425 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:22:46 pm »

Perfect performance from Fury and,on that form, there's nobody out there can touch him. He can be a great if he wants it.

Fordy · « **Reply #62426 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:28:32 pm »

Quote from: dikwad on February 23, 2020, 10:22:46 pm

Perfect performance from Fury and,on that form, there's nobody out there can touch him. He can be a great if he wants it.

He's retiring in 2 years he says.

Peabee · « **Reply #62427 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:37:29 pm »

Quote from: Samie on February 23, 2020, 02:24:45 pm

There's no point of Wilder/Fury 3. He got his arse handed to him in both fights against Fury.

This. Wilder would be daft. He’ll just be known for being beaten three times in a row by Fury (we all know Fury won the first fight if scored fairly).

Peabee · « **Reply #62428 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:40:38 pm »

Quote from: Fordy on February 23, 2020, 10:28:32 pm

He's retiring in 2 years he says.

2 fights he said.

But I think he needs to think short term to maintain focus on the next fight.

Who knows.. he has nothing to prove now really except for fighting AJ.

Garry_LFC · « **Reply #62429 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:46:54 pm »

Wilder had his heart beaten out of him last night, wouldn’t be surprised if he refuses the rematch and fights a couple of puddings before going back in the big time. Although at 35 time is running out so it’ll be interesting. I don’t want to see it again personally.

We all want AJ-Fury this year. The promotors, Sky and BT, Dazn and ESPN, everyone, all need to give the fans the biggest fight, the biggest sporting event this country has ever seen. Saudi will be the front runners with the cash they can provide but we need this at Wembley.

TepidT2O · « **Reply #62430 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:49:12 pm »

Amazing how someone can say the most disgusting things and then everyone forgets about it....

What short memories people have.

Samie · « **Reply #62431 on:** February 23, 2020, 10:52:54 pm »

Nah he's still a dickhead who doped.

Diomedieocre · « **Reply #62432 on:** February 23, 2020, 11:15:59 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 23, 2020, 10:49:12 pm

Amazing how someone can say the most disgusting things and then everyone forgets about it....

What short memories people have.

Nah , both these whoppers have have said some ignorant shit in the past but i believe in freedom of speech.

Peabee · « **Reply #62433 on:** February 23, 2020, 11:19:08 pm »

Quote from: Tepid T₂O on February 23, 2020, 10:49:12 pm

Amazing how someone can say the most disgusting things and then everyone forgets about it....

What short memories people have.

It’s a pantomime. An act. E.g. Wilder has said he wants a (dead) body on his record. No chance he actually meant it. Best to judge people by deeds not words. For example, Mike Tyson is scum because he raped someone not cos he talked shit.

WhereAngelsPlay · « **Reply #62434 on:** February 23, 2020, 11:29:39 pm »

Quote from: Diomedieocre on February 23, 2020, 11:15:59 pm

Nah , both these whoppers have have said some ignorant shit in the past but i believe in freedom of speech.

Hate speech as well it seems. (Fury I'm talking about)

RedSince86 · « **Reply #62435 on:** February 23, 2020, 11:40:41 pm »

Quote from: jizzspunk on February 23, 2020, 09:53:38 pm

What would you like to see next?

Wilder v Ruiz
Fury v Whyte
AJ v Mandatory...
Then the unification

Usyk says hi.

Samie · « **Reply #62436 on:** February 24, 2020, 12:03:38 am »

Usyk as a Heavyweight we just don't know. The top guys are Super Heavies and he'd be considered just a smallish Heavy. we don't know if he can take a full force of a legit heavyweight fighter yet.

Diomedieocre · « **Reply #62437 on:** February 24, 2020, 12:51:26 am »

Quote from: WhereAngelsPlay on February 23, 2020, 11:29:39 pm

Hate speech as well it seems. (Fury I'm talking about)

Just because i think he has the right to say what he wants, it doesn't mean that i agree with him.

I didnt give it any credence at the time...nor do i now. He's just a boxer at the end of the day, its not like he's getting invites to policy defining think tanks left n right is it.

Censorship is a tricky subject...i understand people feel offended over many issues but where do we stop?. Dont answer its off topic and im ready for bed...goodnight mate.

ToneLa · « **Reply #62438 on:** February 24, 2020, 07:56:25 am »

All those "Fury has a weak punch" opinions seem to have dried up overnight

Barneylfc∗ · « **Reply #62439 on:** February 24, 2020, 08:06:38 am »

Quote from: ToneLa on February 24, 2020, 07:56:25 am

All those "Fury has a weak punch" opinions seem to have dried up overnight

He does. He just happened to hit Wilder with one punch in a place that sent him to cuckoo land the rest of the fight.
I could punch someone in that part of the head and do the same. Doesn't mean I could mix it with Tyson.