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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #240 on: August 14, 2016, 10:56:24 pm »
There is something wrong with it. Proven by the fact he played a lad onside to score who would have ultimately been a mile off if he just held the line.

As I said. His general performance was quite good I thought, but he made a mistake for the first goal.
Amazing how you try and defend Moreno for his contribution to the goal yet seem quite assured Klaven is at fault.

He's tracking a runner who's trying to get in behind, we've been caught on a counter attack and the defence is all over the place. Nothing wrong in tracking his runner, if Moreno is in position nothing comes from it.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #241 on: August 14, 2016, 10:57:46 pm »
and the defence is all over the place. 
Lol, wonder why that was.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #242 on: August 14, 2016, 10:57:48 pm »
Its exactly what Skrtel used to do though.
It's nothing like it. Klavan is tracking a runner, Skrtel would start dropping to the six yard box the minute the opposition had the ball in our half.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #243 on: August 14, 2016, 10:58:16 pm »
Lol, wonder why that was.
Because Moreno is 15-yards higher than he should have been and we're being counter attacked.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #244 on: August 14, 2016, 10:59:30 pm »
No, I called Peter as MacRed after a few days of him being on here and turned out I was right. Knew you were a banned member back then, just not which.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #245 on: August 14, 2016, 11:00:22 pm »
Amazing how you try and defend Moreno for his contribution to the goal yet seem quite assured Klaven is at fault.

He's tracking a runner who's trying to get in behind, we've been caught on a counter attack and the defence is all over the place. Nothing wrong in tracking his runner, if Moreno is in position nothing comes from it.

Where have I defended Moreno? He's had a shocker as well for going sprinting out of position.

As for trying to get in behind, there is literally nothing to get behind if he just stops. He'd be offside. I understand tracking a runner a couple yards after the defensive line but he's ran in 10 yards behind everyone else. It's a poor but of play. I'm not sure why that's so controversial to say? He's not prime Baresi, these things happen.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #246 on: August 14, 2016, 11:00:54 pm »
Amazing how you try and defend Moreno for his contribution to the goal yet seem quite assured Klaven is at fault.

He's tracking a runner who's trying to get in behind, we've been caught on a counter attack and the defence is all over the place. Nothing wrong in tracking his runner, if Moreno is in position nothing comes from it.
Moreno was In the exact position he was meant to be in, the problem came when I think it was Coutinho lost the ball.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #247 on: August 14, 2016, 11:01:08 pm »
Ok lad. Whatever makes you feel special about yourself. Who you 'outting' next, Sherlock?

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #248 on: August 14, 2016, 11:01:54 pm »
If Klavan knew where Moreno was he wouldn`t be tracking the runner, what would be the point if a player in a position to score would be wide open? It`s understanding with his new teammates, the guy is a fantastic defender.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #249 on: August 14, 2016, 11:03:38 pm »
Moreno was In the exact position he was meant to be in, the problem came when I think it was Coutinho lost the ball.
The exact position? He's 15-yards ahead of play and doesn't make any effort to get back when the ball is lost.

There's no need to start bombing forward that early, he's got pace, wait until we're in comfortable possession before you bomb forward. Clyne hardly ever gets caught out like that as he's clever enough to know when to go.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #250 on: August 14, 2016, 11:06:47 pm »
The exact position? He's 15-yards ahead of play and doesn't make any effort to get back when the ball is lost.

There's no need to start bombing forward that early, he's got pace, wait until we're in comfortable possession before you bomb forward. Clyne hardly ever gets caught out like that as he's clever enough to know when to go.
He's told to burst early, that's how you catch teams on the counter, but full backs were going very early through out the game..

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #251 on: August 14, 2016, 11:10:22 pm »
He's told to burst early, that's how you catch teams on the counter, but full backs were going very early through out the game..
How do you know what the instructions were to our full backs? Does that mean Clyne isn't following those instructions as he doesn't get caught too far forward?

Moreno's positional sense is poor, he's been caught too high far too often and teams are targeting that.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #252 on: August 14, 2016, 11:30:21 pm »
How do you know what the instructions were to our full backs? Does that mean Clyne isn't following those instructions as he doesn't get caught too far forward?

Moreno's positional sense is poor, he's been caught too high far too often and teams are targeting that.
Where else was our width coming from, are 3 forwards were playing very narrow probably targeting thier young centre backs, so moreno and clyne had to bomb forward.
Moreno's position sense is poor but in the second half today it was spot on the width he was giving us was very good, and I wouldn't blame him for Walcott's goal but there was other times Walcott got in behind when he shouldn't have been that he got away with

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #253 on: August 14, 2016, 11:34:46 pm »
If Klavan knew where Moreno was he wouldn`t be tracking the runner

If Klavan knew where Moreno was, he'd be on the phone, calling his mum to drag him by the ear back to fucking left back position.

But I digress. Despite the scoreline, very solid debut.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #254 on: August 14, 2016, 11:39:57 pm »
How do you know what the instructions were to our full backs? Does that mean Clyne isn't following those instructions as he doesn't get caught too far forward?

Moreno's positional sense is poor, he's been caught too high far too often and teams are targeting that.

I agree with this. Yes our full backs are asked to bomb on, but there is a time and a place. Until we have full control of possession, the full backs need to hold their line. He's got to be aware of the players around him. Clyne does it well for the most part because he knows he has the pace to get involved in our attacks if he sets off later.


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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #255 on: August 14, 2016, 11:40:21 pm »
Hey this has been in the bank for a while now....  If it seems too harsh you could always go with "right out of bed' i suppose  ;D

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #256 on: August 14, 2016, 11:55:54 pm »
How do you know what the instructions were to our full backs? Does that mean Clyne isn't following those instructions as he doesn't get caught too far forward?

Moreno's positional sense is poor, he's been caught too high far too often and teams are targeting that.
His positional sense is as poor as you reading the game, Klavan played a man onside. Everyone else was further up the field the same shit you would be running in here to slate Skrtel with.

Moreno gets enough abuse as a whole from the nonsense he does no need to make stuff up, i am sure he will do something that warrants people to be angry.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #257 on: August 15, 2016, 12:06:21 am »
Moreno is not the last man but he is the one playing the entire Arsenal attack onside. He's too slow to get back when the ball returns to Arsenal possession so wtf are you doing instinctively playing a high line against Arsenal.

Klavan's shown to be a good signing so far. Reads the game so well. Hopefully a nice steady eddy type.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #258 on: August 15, 2016, 12:13:38 am »
I thought he had a decent game today
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #259 on: August 15, 2016, 01:06:19 am »
Very good debut. Eager to watch more to assess him more accurately.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #260 on: August 15, 2016, 01:50:41 am »
Seemed mega composed and was great I thought. Unlucky Walcott's shot went just under his sliding tackle. An inch lower and he could have saved that goal. Composed and could see him being a really relaible left back when Sahko comes back.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #261 on: August 15, 2016, 03:34:33 am »
He's got a bit about him, that's for sure.

Composed, plays the ball well but doesn't fuck around when he has to defend.

I like him.

Strange to think our 'main' CB signing (Matip) is going to have a fight on his hands to get into the XI at present.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #262 on: August 15, 2016, 06:35:19 am »
Klavan was tracking Sanchez(I think) for the goal .Hardly a fault if that makes him play Walcott onside for the goal.

I don't think the defense can be faulted for the first goal much .We were in transition to attack and got caught out by the speed of Arsenal attack .

The real issue there was losing the ball in Midfield when under not much pressure . Lallana is the major culprit in the goal.

As for the 3rd it was off side .We held a reasonably high line and 3 of their players were offside .It's linesmen fault for not giving it .

Still we are not going to face too many teams with the pace and movement Arsenal this season so defensively we did well imo.Apart from the loss of concentration for their 2nd
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #263 on: August 15, 2016, 07:02:20 am »
His positional sense is as poor as you reading the game, Klavan played a man onside. Everyone else was further up the field the same shit you would be running in here to slate Skrtel with.

Moreno gets enough abuse as a whole from the nonsense he does no need to make stuff up, i am sure he will do something that warrants people to be angry.
Perhaps you should learn to read before you post and you'd see I've already said how what Klavan done is far different to what Skrtel used to do.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #264 on: August 15, 2016, 08:30:17 am »
Is this the Klavan or Moreno thread? I'm confused.


I think Klavan did very good yesterday in his debut. Composed an good on the ball, amazing signing if he continue his form!
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #265 on: August 15, 2016, 09:23:47 am »
Lallana is the major culprit in the goal.
It was still 4v4 after he was dispossessed. I`m sure we`ll be better organized next time.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #266 on: August 15, 2016, 09:35:57 am »
He did okay yesterday but I'd be surprised if he emerged as anything more than a back up option and fully expect Sakho to come back into fold at some point; him and Lovern were starting to form a partnership towards end of last season so I think JK will go back to that once Sakho regains his fitness.
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« Reply #267 on: August 15, 2016, 02:21:41 pm »
Great piece of business getting him in for a small fee. A good upgrade on Skrtel.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #268 on: August 15, 2016, 02:23:21 pm »
He did okay yesterday but I'd be surprised if he emerged as anything more than a back up option and fully expect Sakho to come back into fold at some point; him and Lovern were starting to form a partnership towards end of last season so I think JK will go back to that once Sakho regains his fitness.
More likely it will be Matip ,our first choice pairing with Lovren ,once he regains match fitness .
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« Reply #269 on: August 16, 2016, 02:24:11 pm »
Enjoy his vocal leadership amongst other things.  What a buy
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #270 on: August 17, 2016, 12:00:27 am »
Is this the Klavan or Moreno thread? I'm confused.


I think Klavan did very good yesterday in his debut. Composed an good on the ball, amazing signing if he continue his form!

Every thread is the Moreno bashing thread at the moment.
Anyway, back to King Ragnar. Solid debut, good in the air and good with his feet. Looks a steal so far.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #271 on: August 17, 2016, 08:02:27 am »
More likely it will be Matip ,our first choice pairing with Lovren ,once he regains match fitness .

Hasn't Klopp said Matip and Lovren are his right sided centre backs and Sakho and Klavan for the left? Glad this bollocks with Lovren only playing on the left has been sorted, his form seemed to pick up with it too. Obviously I'm not saying Matip and Lovren or Sakho and Klavan could never be first choice, but I assume more often than not it'll be one of Lovren/Matip with one of Sakho/Klavan.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #272 on: August 17, 2016, 08:03:41 am »
Hasn't Klopp said Matip and Lovren are his right sided centre backs and Sakho and Klavan for the left? Glad this bollocks with Lovren only playing on the left has been sorted, his form seemed to pick up with it too. Obviously I'm not saying Matip and Lovren or Sakho and Klavan could never be first choice, but I assume more often than not it'll be one of Lovren/Matip with one of Sakho/Klavan.
He hasn't said anything specific like that as far as I know .

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #273 on: August 17, 2016, 08:07:53 am »
He hasn't said anything specific like that as far as I know .

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I'm sure I've read a quote somewhere, cannot remember where though! Maybe someone else knows. I could be talking balls but it does make sense. Two right footers and two left footers, it gives a better balance.

On Klavan, I love him already. He's a tough bastard (finally we have one), can play a bit but also knows when to just send that ball into orbit which we've been missing. Sure when he gets an understanding with everybody a bit more he will shine brighter when called upon. I could certainly see him forcing his way into the starting line up as he has skills and qualities we have lacked.
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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #274 on: August 17, 2016, 09:34:54 am »
Think the boss likes him.  ;)



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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #275 on: August 17, 2016, 10:21:02 am »
Klavan set to be another cult hero?

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #276 on: August 17, 2016, 11:35:09 am »
He did okay yesterday but I'd be surprised if he emerged as anything more than a back up option and fully expect Sakho to come back into fold at some point; him and Lovern were starting to form a partnership towards end of last season so I think JK will go back to that once Sakho regains his fitness.
I reckon it'll be Matip and Klavan as our first choice cb's. For starters Klopp brought them in Lovren and Sakho really haven't been that great for us.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #277 on: August 17, 2016, 11:37:35 am »
I reckon it'll be Matip and Klavan as our first choice cb's. For starters Klopp brought them in Lovren and Sakho really haven't been that great for us.

Klavan was brought in as cover though, Klopp spoke of this prior to signing him.

Seriously doubt he had the intention he was coming in to replace one of the starters.

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #278 on: August 17, 2016, 03:04:37 pm »
Klavan was brought in as cover though, Klopp spoke of this prior to signing him.

Seriously doubt he had the intention he was coming in to replace one of the starters.
But if the cover ends up better than the starter?

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Re: Liverpool complete deal to sign Ragnar Klavan
« Reply #279 on: August 17, 2016, 03:31:44 pm »
He's a very intelligent player, calm, good passer of the ball. Only 30 years old, which is young still for a centre half. It's too soon to say but he's looking like a good signing so far, he's definitely exceeded my expectations.