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[slotmachine]

Well, just occasionally I am proud of the people in this country. 

By the french and the Poles? WTF? insane

Its interesting that Thailand is top of the list and there numbers have been very low since the pandemic started with total deaths still in the hundreds. I think this might be more an indication on the impact the lack of tourists has had on there economy (Bangkok the most visited city in the world plus they reckon tourism is around 25% of there economy) and with poverty very high and a lack of a welfare state has really impacted the country despite infection and death numbers being so low. They really need to vaccinate because the lack of tourism is really impacting Thailand and if it carries on the devastation might be too much for it to recover.

Thailand has always been a bucket list destination for me and i was hoping to finally get over this year but obviously that's all up in the air at the moment but its good to see them at the top of this list because i dont intend to go anywhere without being vaccinated or somewhere where there is a high anti-vaxx sentiment.

[djahern]

Well the testing that was supposed to happen in schools (and is in some cases....)

Well guess what? It’s a fucking  car crash and not fit for purpose.

Round of applause for the Bad boy Gavin Williamson... he’s done it again!  What a talent!

Pretty much what we spoke about a few weeks back when they first put the idea forward.

These things have their current uses, and they'll have more uses in the future I'm sure. But their current use is certainly not to replace a system that isolates close contacts from attending a setting where multiple households interact. It's possible they will eventually have that use, but it needs to be proven to work as well or better than the current system.

They should still roll this out, but the testing should be done at home. The schools should continue to isolate their bubble groups as they were doing, and then these tests should be undertaken at home by those asked to isolate (who remain isolating regardless of result). Right there you get your data on if it's suitable or not for this, and you get it quite quickly. 

[west_london_red]

I'm thinking about all those c*nting influencers boasting of being in Dubai - can you really see self-entitled twats like them doing that for 10 days? Fat hope.

And another thing - why the fuck have they waited as long as this to make such changes?

My preference would be as was talked about at the beginning of the pandemic (not sure if it ever actually happened) but they should be quarantined in empty hotels for 10 days, seriously if they just expecting people to follow the rules they are being very naive. Alternatively, put them on tags like they do people when they come out of prison.

[Wabaloolah]

This chart would be useful with more context, out of the countries listed we're the second highest in deaths per million (only Italy above). We've also imposed more lockdowns. People just want out.

Finland as an example have 10% of our deaths per million and have coped well with the virus, it's easy to see why people aren't chomping at the bit for a dose.

how do you explain the USA?

[rob1966]

My preference would be as was talked about at the beginning of the pandemic (not sure if it ever actually happened) but they should be quarantined in empty hotels for 10 days, seriously if they just expecting people to follow the rules they are being very naive. Alternatively, put them on tags like they do people when they come out of prison.

They did some quarantining in the early days, I seem to remember a Heathrow hotel being used?, but this was not for UK nationals IIRC, my boss flew back from Italy last March and was just allowed back into the UK with no restrictions, our Director and him decided he would isolate at home, but it wasn't a govt rule.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the premier of Queensland wants to stop quaratining travellers in hotels and instead put them in camps in the outback, keeping them as far away from the rest as possible.

[Thepooloflife]

how do you explain the USA?

Covid's a hoax isn't it ?

[Wabaloolah]

My preference would be as was talked about at the beginning of the pandemic (not sure if it ever actually happened) but they should be quarantined in empty hotels for 10 days, seriously if they just expecting people to follow the rules they are being very naive. Alternatively, put them on tags like they do people when they come out of prison.

Absolutely, if this had happened at the start we likely would have a far less impact.  Just letting people coming back from places like Italy and flights from New York into the country with not a single check on passengers was criminal in my opinion.

Not a chance they will all isolate for ten days without being forced to do so, some will of course, but it only takes one idiot to go into a shop and break their self-isolation. 

This government is basing their contact limiting strategy by trusting in the people of this country, it's naïve at best

[Commie Bobbie]

My preference would be as was talked about at the beginning of the pandemic (not sure if it ever actually happened) but they should be quarantined in empty hotels for 10 days, seriously if they just expecting people to follow the rules they are being very naive. Alternatively, put them on tags like they do people when they come out of prison.

That's what they did early doors didn't they. They had them all up at Arrowe Park (sp) didn't they?

[Wabaloolah]

They did some quarantining in the early days, I seem to remember a Heathrow hotel being used?, but this was not for UK nationals IIRC, my boss flew back from Italy last March and was just allowed back into the UK with no restrictions, our Director and him decided he would isolate at home, but it wasn't a govt rule.

According to the Wall Street Journal, the premier of Queensland wants to stop quaratining travellers in hotels and instead put them in camps in the outback, keeping them as far away from the rest as possible.

The Premier of Queensland sounds sensible, they could do it with the Australian climate, not entirely sure they would get away with it on a cold wet night in Stoke though!

[Wabaloolah]

That's what they did early doors didn't they. They had them all up at Arrowe Park (sp) didn't they?

A few repatriation flights from Wuhan they did but that is when it ended, whole swathes of people allowed to travel into the country unchecked and they wonder why it got so bad here!

[spen71]

My  daughters are with me this weekend.    My 13 year old has dropped behind in her Maths work and I’ve been Sitting with her.    It’s amazing on how she has regressed since September.     She does have dyspraxia and some sort of autism and ended up begging me to go back to school.

This scenario must be getting replayed all over the country and frankly it worries me 

[rob1966]

That's what they did early doors didn't they. They had them all up at Arrowe Park (sp) didn't they?

They did it with a large group who had been evacuated from Wuhan, but I can't remember much else. The choice of coach company to ferry them to Arrowe Park raised a few eyebrows at the time too

[classycarra]

What would Marie Curie make of it?!

"Ah well, at least Poland's O... oh ffs"

[Macphisto80]

Travel closes on Monday? Ah, well. Plenty of time to bring all your dirty variants with you in the meantime in the next 72 hours at least.

[west_london_red]

That's what they did early doors didn't they. They had them all up at Arrowe Park (sp) didn't they?

As someone above said, they did it at a few hotels in Heathrow right at the very beginning of the pandemic but then quietly it seemed to be forgotten about.

[[new username under construction]]

Fingers crossed for the interferon (?) trial going on, relatively cheap treatment could help a lot of people already in hospital

[JasonF]

Fingers crossed for the interferon (?) trial going on, relatively cheap treatment could help a lot of people already in hospital

It can't be that cheap

[Linudden]

Sweden and Finland had the narcolepsy issue with the GSK swine flu vaccine eleven years ago. General vaccination rates for tried vaccines that have been around for decades such as against measles etc are very high but people are very reluctant over here unless they feel like the illness is going to personally affect them. Myself included. I'm glad I was vaccinated with known quantities when I was little, but now as an adult, 29 years old and rather fit, extremely far from being in a risk group I prefer not to just take anything novel being offered to me. We're still not even past one year of trials beginning and I prefer to stay on the cautious side about that.

I think the "sure" rates would've been a lot higher here and in Finland if not for that 2009-10 episode, however.

As far as I'm concerned, once it's been given to the risk groups, it's time to forget worrying about covid and return straight back to February 2020 no questions asked. I really don't see the need to mass vaccinate the entire populace against something that is only harmful to a few.

So I lean towards not taking it for that reason. It's better they save my dose for someone who's in more need. It's for the very reason I don't take the annual flu shot. If I decide to, it will be in November because it's evidently a seasonal illness once it's reached a certain immunity threshold, so I much prefer to have strong antibodies in December than in July. Covid passports are just fascist bullshit and within an EU framework most definitely illegal so I'm not all that worried about it because it'd get struck down in court. Worst-case scenario I'll just have to travel by land or take a test before flying and I have no desire to visit anywhere outside of Europe anyway. Hell, I might choose to stay in Scandinavia for the rest of my life seeing how repressive the political cultures elsewhere have been.

Disclaimer: no insults needed 

[CraigDS]

unless they feel like the illness is going to personally affect them. Myself included.

This sort of selfish thinking is what has meant this virus has killed so many more than it needed to.

The vaccine doesn't make those who receive it, if just the most vulnerable, totally immune. If only those people get vaccinated then the virus will still be rife in the general population and those people will still be at risk to catching it.

[Elmo!]

Disclaimer: no insults needed 

This is going to be fun...



What a shitty attitude. "I won't get the vaccine, but if I do, it will only be when it benefits me the most".

[Linudden]

This sort of selfish thinking is what has meant this virus has killed so many more than it needed to.

The vaccine doesn't make those who receive it, if just the most vulnerable, totally immune. If only those people get vaccinated then the virus will still be rife in the general population and those people will still be at risk to catching it.

Well, people have to have agency. Since I'm not even in touch with the groups you've mentioned, I'm not worried about it. I'm an office worker who spends my free time riding a bicycle! Those groups who end up hospitalized (50-80 general population) will have a generally good protection from it anyway whereas those in care homes remain vulnerable to even a runny nose-type of cold. Only if people work in healthcare I feel could need to take one for the team if they're young and healthy.

[Linudden]

What a shitty attitude. "I won't get the vaccine, but if I do, it will only be when it benefits me the most".

It benefits society the most if non-risk groups take it just ahead of peak season. In early September, the daily death count in Sweden was below 1 on a seven-day running average. In November it's not. Especially with our daylight cycle and climate. It's common sense.

That being said, stray one foot away from the Guardian editorial view and RAWK will go nuts. Just is what it is. 

[Elmo!]

It benefits society the most if non-risk groups take it just ahead of peak season. In early September, the daily death count in Sweden was below 1 on a seven-day running average. In November it's not. Especially with our daylight cycle and climate. It's common sense.

That being said, stray one foot away from the Guardian editorial view and RAWK will go nuts. Just is what it is. 

That's not how you justified it in your original post. I think you'll find it's more RAWK goes a bit nuts when you stray away from the agreed scientific consensus - that we need to vaccinate aas many people as possible.

[[new username under construction]]

It can't be that cheap

I think I read it's about £2000 per patient so I think that's relatively quite low

[Welshred]

I really don't see the need to mass vaccinate the entire populace against something that is only harmful to a few.

2 million people worldwide have died from this and this is the bollocks you come out with?

[Linudden]

That's not how you justified it in your original post. I think you'll find it's more RAWK goes a bit nuts when you stray away from the agreed scientific consensus - that we need to vaccinate aas many people as possible.

I'm not stopping you nor telling you what to do. Hell you can have my doses too if you really want to be on the safe side. Someone who hasn't used public transport once since February 2019, take the bike for journeys 15 miles away, have zero contact with elders, works in an office and don't visit stores... I really am not someone anyone needs to worry about.

Just leave my body alone. My body, my choice. Get it? That should at least be something a lefty should understand 

[Andy82lfc]

I really don't see the need to mass vaccinate the entire populace against something that is only harmful to a few.

It does look very very suspicious on the face of it. I mean you don't give the whole population a rectal examination just because mainly over 60's need it do you. If anyone is going to put a few fingers deep into my arse it's going to be me. 

[McrRed]

I'm not stopping you nor telling you what to do. Hell you can have my doses too if you really want to be on the safe side. Someone who hasn't used public transport once since February 2019, take the bike for journeys 15 miles away, have zero contact with elders, works in an office and don't visit stores... I really am not someone anyone needs to worry about.

Just leave my body alone. My body, my choice. Get it? That should at least be something a lefty should understand 

I wouldn't be seen dead having it....and very well might be.

However, just taken my mum to have the jab and hopefully it'll work out well for her.

[Elmo!]

I'm not stopping you nor telling you what to do. Hell you can have my doses too if you really want to be on the safe side. Someone who hasn't used public transport once since February 2019, take the bike for journeys 15 miles away, have zero contact with elders, works in an office and don't visit stores... I really am not someone anyone needs to worry about.

Just leave my body alone. My body, my choice. Get it? That should at least be something a lefty should understand 

Sure it's your choice to be ignore the scientific advice and be selfish.

[WorldChampions]

If anyone is going to put a few fingers deep into my arse it's going to be me. 

Friday night revelations.

[Linudden]

2 million people worldwide have died from this and this is the bollocks you come out with?

You're aware that under the formula of three deaths worldwide per second that accounts for 95 million annual deaths per year right? The Spanish flu killed 20 mil in a much less populated world in an equal amount of time.

1999, 2000, 2001 and 2002 were more deadly years per capita in Sweden and 2015 ran identical to 2020. In fact, had it not been for a substantial deficit in total deaths in 2019 it would've looked a lot different last year.

Of course it's bad for those who get a bad case, but it doesn't mean the vast majority of people are at risk. Of course I'd give my kids regular vaccines if I ever had them but that doesn't mean I have to take something largely untested just because RAWK says so. The vaccine should be reserved for those who risk to suffer badly from something and should be effective in protecting them. Not someone who'd merely be a bit under the weather for a few days.

[CraigDS]

Well, people have to have agency. Since I'm not even in touch with the groups you've mentioned, I'm not worried about it. I'm an office worker who spends my free time riding a bicycle! Those groups who end up hospitalized (50-80 general population) will have a generally good protection from it anyway whereas those in care homes remain vulnerable to even a runny nose-type of cold. Only if people work in healthcare I feel could need to take one for the team if they're young and healthy.

What about those people you do come into contact with who you could possibly give it to? At the end of the day if it's allowed to continue to spread between the selfish pricks who won't get vaccinated then it will end up getting to those who will die from it.

[TSC]

Hell, I might choose to stay in Scandinavia for the rest of my life seeing how repressive the political cultures elsewhere have been.

Even better, just stay home and never leave the house.

[rob1966]

I might be wrong here and apologise if I am, but I think Linudden has a point. Vaccines, from my understanding, teach the body how to deal with a virus its never encountered before. Now, once everyone classed as vulnerable has been vaccinated to prevent us getting seriously ill in the future, if a non vaccinated person has a healthy immune system that can deal with the virus on its own, then is there any real reason to vaccinate everyone, isn't it better to let the body deal with it if it can? The flu vaccine isn't needed for everyone, just those at risk, yet around 12 million people a year catch the flu. 

[CraigDS]

Even better, just stay home and never leave the house.

Can we remove his internet access if so?

[Linudden]

Even better, just stay home and never leave the house.

"he's so against lockdowns he stayed at home for the rest of his life".

Now that'd be something

I'm all for giving it to the vulnerable ASAP so we can move on and get back to a normal economy. Otherwise it's going to be devastating. Especially for those on the bottom ladders of society.

[Max_powers]

I really don't see the need to mass vaccinate the entire populace against something that is only harmful to a few.

Its not harmful to just the very few. Sure the death rates are the highest in people with a lot of co-morbidities and low among younger people in good health. However, hospitalization rates are still quite high for people who don't have any co-morbidities.

If the disease keeps spreading in the general population for years to come, your tax money will go towards testing and treating all those cases for years to come, perhaps forever, since we don't know how long the natural immunity lasts.

Its way cheaper and safer if everyone was vaccinated and the disease was eradicated.

[Millie]

The reason to vaccinate as many people as possible is to protect, not only those vaccinated, but to protect those who cannot be  vaccinated (not to be confused with selfish bastards who just don't want to be vaccinated).

[Linudden]

If the disease keeps spreading in the general population for years to come, your tax money will go towards testing and treating all those cases for years to come, perhaps forever, since we don't know how long the natural immunity lasts.

I disagree. There's not really any need to do that once the vulnerable are protected. Then we can really just treat it like a seasonal virus and offer them a shot every year. If an unvaccinated, maskless, largely unimmune population like Sweden got deaths down to below 1 per day at one point because of seasonal conditions, then you already know that it's not going to be a problem anymore once we can protect the vulnerable.

Either way, the main lesson to learn is to expand the healthcare capacity so this will never even be a thing in the future. It must be equipped to handle a 10-20 % spike in demand. Otherwise it's just new public management bullshit. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to play with people's lives like that to lower hospital capacity to a point where even shutting down a society is even a question. That should be unlawful.

[Millie]

I disagree. There's not really any need to do that once the vulnerable are protected. Then we can really just treat it like a seasonal virus and offer them a shot every year. If an unvaccinated, maskless, largely unimmune population like Sweden got deaths down to below 1 per day at one point because of seasonal conditions, then you already know that it's not going to be a problem anymore once we can protect the vulnerable.

I don't think you understand the principle of vaccinating do you?