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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6880 on: March 29, 2024, 10:28:14 pm »
Did Klopp just drop a hint that De Zerbi wouldnt suit us?

What did he say?

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6881 on: March 29, 2024, 10:29:40 pm »
He was cavorting with a local sports journalist and there was deemed to be a breach of trust with the players at the club.

For the data people, statistically, what's the chances he does that again in England?
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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6882 on: March 29, 2024, 10:32:51 pm »
Unfortunate. Oh well. Disappointed, but Amorim is also an excellent prospect. Xabi and Amorim were the two choices I thought made the most sense. If Amorim also doesn’t work out I will be a little concerned. Not like it is a disaster, just that I think those are the two young managers that stand out the most.

The other options bandied about don’t really do it for me. I just don’t want a situation like where Klopp said no the first time, couldn’t get our guy, and ended up running in place until Klopp did come.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6883 on: March 29, 2024, 10:33:47 pm »
For the data people, statistically, what's the chances he does that again in England?

Depends how many female sports journos there are on the patch. Or he could switch sides and get into a relationship with James Pearce, that way we can find out for sure who we are going to buy.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6884 on: March 29, 2024, 10:35:02 pm »
What did he say?

He said De Zerbi’s football doesnt suit his personality. Praised him though and said its exciting. Feel like he didnt need to say that though and the fact that he has, could be something in that.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6885 on: March 29, 2024, 10:36:06 pm »
He praised the tax dodger too.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6886 on: March 29, 2024, 10:36:55 pm »
He praised the tax dodger too.

Yep and that could have been his hint that he should be the one we get.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6887 on: March 29, 2024, 10:37:57 pm »
I think Alonso is being very smart here. Taking over from a manager of long tenure and success is invariably a fraught succession see United and Arsenal for examples. Alonso is also very early into his managerial career. I haven't a notion as to who should succeed Klopp. I don't want Mourinho and would be amazed if he was considered. Ange is showing potential but we need a proven winner at the highest level. Klopp had great pedigree when we hired him. I don't envy the owners in picking Klopp's successor.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6888 on: March 29, 2024, 10:38:44 pm »
Watched the second half of the Sporting game - they pressed aggressively and created lots of chances, but their forwards were profligate and kept taking the wrong option. They also dive a lot which I'm hoping wouldn't be something he'd bring over here with him (Nunez managed to massively tone down that element of his game when he moved here from Portugal).

Wonder if Diaz would make a good LWB/LM in Amorim's system.

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« Reply #6889 on: March 29, 2024, 10:39:32 pm »
Yep and that could have been his hint that he should be the one we get.

As in he was aked a question and he answered it. There's nothing more to it.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6890 on: March 29, 2024, 10:41:51 pm »
Yep and that could have been his hint that he should be the one we get.

It's not Klopp's decision. He's probably quite happy to praise everybody, because he'll be gone and it's nothing to do with him.
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« Reply #6891 on: March 29, 2024, 10:42:58 pm »
As in he was aked a question and he answered it. There's nothing more to it.

Sometimes, but sometimes there is. Its more likely that it was just an honest acknowledgement of Alonso’s success rather than suggesting he signs for us. But with De Zerbi i feel the quotes will be more pointed as i have no idea why mention it.

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« Reply #6892 on: March 29, 2024, 10:43:29 pm »
It's not Klopp's decision. He's probably quite happy to praise everybody, because he'll be gone and it's nothing to do with him.

Probably. Think the De Zerbi quotes are more pointed though.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6893 on: March 29, 2024, 10:48:28 pm »
Sporting win 2-1 after being 1-0 down.   ;D


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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6894 on: March 29, 2024, 10:49:31 pm »
Sporting win 2-1 after being 1-0 down.   ;D



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« Reply #6895 on: March 29, 2024, 10:49:54 pm »
Probably. Think the De Zerbi quotes are more pointed though.

They're not. Look up the Xabi praise from klopp a few weeks back.  You're just seeing things.  ;D

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6896 on: March 29, 2024, 10:55:03 pm »
Sporting win 2-1 after being 1-0 down.   ;D



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« Reply #6897 on: March 29, 2024, 10:55:17 pm »
They're not. Look up the Xabi praise from klopp a few weeks back.  You're just seeing things.  ;D

I get the praise and i get the praise of De Zerbi as well. Dont see why he had to throw in the line about not suiting his personality. The team is also moulded in Klopp’s personality as well.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6898 on: March 29, 2024, 10:56:54 pm »
Mentality Monsters?

Yes mate. Amorim has faced adversity unlike the tax dodger.

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« Reply #6899 on: March 29, 2024, 10:58:02 pm »
Klopp literally praises every manager right before he's about to face them. He literally called Thomas Frank "incredible" before we battered Brentford last month, called Eddie Howe "exceptional" before we battered Newcastle on NYD and called the owl "one of the greatest I've ever met".

Klopp is too polite to do anything other than heap praise on a fellow manager whenever the question comes up. And he's going to be asked this question a lot about different people between now and May. And he'll praise every single one of them. Looking for clues from a Klopp press conference will be like drawing blood from a stone.

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« Reply #6900 on: March 29, 2024, 10:59:03 pm »
 ;D

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« Reply #6901 on: March 29, 2024, 11:02:20 pm »
;D ;D



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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6902 on: March 29, 2024, 11:03:26 pm »
Sometimes, but sometimes there is. Its more likely that it was just an honest acknowledgement of Alonso’s success rather than suggesting he signs for us. But with De Zerbi i feel the quotes will be more pointed as i have no idea why mention it.

Think he’s just being honest. RDZ is cut from a similar type of cloth to Guardiola philosophically. That attention to detail, highly structured, technically-obsessed way of playing/coaching is very different to Klopp. Klopp could never coach like that. I’d love for us to continue playing as we do under our next manager but I’ve kind of resigned myself to a change no matter who comes in.

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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6903 on: March 29, 2024, 11:04:11 pm »
To be fair, I don't think it'd be particularly difficult to piss off the Bayern Munich players.

Aside from his alleged abrasive personality, is there anything in regards to Nagelsmann's footballing philosophy that'd be considered a red flag? If I remember correctly, his sacking from Bayern came as a huge shock at the time. Only 1 point behind Dortmund in the league, still competitive in the Champions League and the DFB-Pokal.

There were several mentioned reasons why Nagelsmann was sacked by Bayern Munich. One was that the XG stats showed that Bayern Munich were getting worse  in terms of team performance as the season continued; then there was stats that showed Bayern had the third worst record for close games in the league (defined as  by a one goal difference), which resembled a team performing as if they were fighting against relegation; the failure to develop young players; the falling-out with Manuel Neuer; and that Bayern wanted Tuchel, who they wanted before he joined PSG.  There must have been one or more of these reasons because Nagelsmann record at BM was quite good (about 71% win rate).  He also has some of the same footballing beliefs as Klopp, such as the Gegenpressing.

I am not convinced about Nagelsmann though as LFC manager. But then again none of the other options are stand-out candidates either.  I did read that Richard Hughes is an admirer of  De Zerbi's footballing philosophy? Read into that what you can.





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Re: LFC's next manager - chat and informed speculation
« Reply #6904 on: March 29, 2024, 11:11:17 pm »
Not that I'd have him as our manager, but is there a reason Sérgio Conceição is basically never linked to any big jobs? Feels like he's been at Porto forever and pretty much always has them in the Champions League, despite often losing his best players.

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« Reply #6905 on: March 29, 2024, 11:20:15 pm »
Got to have the turnaround like Alonso in the EL, otherwise it's not showing character, right?
And they did... Commence the praise!
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« Reply #6906 on: March 29, 2024, 11:25:33 pm »
Imagine if he turned up to Anfield via skateboard though, he’d be called a goth in about 30 seconds I reckon  ;D
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« Reply #6907 on: March 29, 2024, 11:25:43 pm »
Ben Jacobs saying Richard Hughes is leading the manager recruitment process. Howe does that make everyone feel?

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« Reply #6908 on: March 29, 2024, 11:37:19 pm »
Ben Jacobs saying Richard Hughes is leading the manager recruitment process. Howe does that make everyone feel?

He isnt even in place to work for us. Also Liverpool will always be FSG’s main football asset so Edwards will be in charge.

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« Reply #6909 on: March 29, 2024, 11:37:20 pm »
Still reckon we’ll get Xabi
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« Reply #6910 on: March 29, 2024, 11:46:53 pm »
I think Alonso is being very smart here. Taking over from a manager of long tenure and success is invariably a fraught succession see United and Arsenal for examples. Alonso is also very early into his managerial career. I haven't a notion as to who should succeed Klopp. I don't want Mourinho and would be amazed if he was considered. Ange is showing potential but we need a proven winner at the highest level. Klopp had great pedigree when we hired him. I don't envy the owners in picking Klopp's successor.


Arsenal and United were very different situations. Both were run in a more old school way, with the manager controlling everything for many years. Wenger/Ferguson both left gaping holes in their clubs when they left, and both clubs responded by trying to hire a manager to fill that gap instead of setting up a structure to aid the new manager in advance. Both also left not particularly great squads behind; Arsenal were a mess and United won the title but were pretty old and largely won it due to a lack of competition and opponents often conceding defeat before kick off.

Klopp has had more control in recent seasons but the recruitment team never left, and now we have both Edwards and Hughes in place to ensure standards remain high and the manager just needs to focus on coaching. We also probably have the strongest squad we've ever had under Klopp, largely full of young players.


It's funny, people keep repeating this line that following a manager like Klopp is incredibly difficult, but if this is such a commonly held opinion then surely that means that expectations will be lower as a result, thus actually making Klopp relatively easy to follow on from?

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« Reply #6911 on: March 29, 2024, 11:50:51 pm »
Still reckon we’ll get Xabi

Me too. Can see him building our team around Bellingham.

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« Reply #6912 on: March 29, 2024, 11:53:30 pm »
It's funny, people keep repeating this line that following a manager like Klopp is incredibly difficult, but if this is such a commonly held opinion then surely that means that expectations will be lower as a result, thus actually making Klopp relatively easy to follow on from?

Expectations are lowered really as a coping mechanism before the fact. But in the eyes of a manager or an individual, they cannot believe that they can come in and do a worse job and get away with it.

I actually dont think its the managerial change thats the issue, its more than the next manager will have to replace Klopp and his influence, whilst at the same time having probably to look at a life post elite versions of Salah, Robertson, Van Dijk etc. I know we have a good squad but bar Trent, our best players are over 30. Thats not the case at City (in the most part) and Arsenal.

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« Reply #6913 on: March 30, 2024, 12:01:18 am »
Expectations are lowered really as a coping mechanism before the fact. But in the eyes of a manager or an individual, they cannot believe that they can come in and do a worse job and get away with it.

I actually dont think its the managerial change thats the issue, its more than the next manager will have to replace Klopp and his influence, whilst at the same time having probably to look at a life post elite versions of Salah, Robertson, Van Dijk etc. I know we have a good squad but bar Trent, our best players are over 30. Thats not the case at City (in the most part) and Arsenal.

That’s not true on City KDB is over 30 and clearly one of their best as is Walker in their system.

We have VVD/Salah over 30 that is normal for most sides and they’ll need to be replaced at some point.

I know Alisson is 30 but as a keeper he could have at least 5 years at the top if he stays healthy.

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« Reply #6914 on: March 30, 2024, 12:02:32 am »
Me too. Can see him building our team around Bellingham.

Big step up from Sunderland.

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« Reply #6915 on: March 30, 2024, 12:04:20 am »
That’s not true on City KDB is over 30 and clearly one of their best as is Walker in their system.

We have VVD/Salah over 30 that is normal for most sides and they’ll need to be replaced at some point.

I know Alisson is 30 but as a keeper he could have at least 5 years at the top if he stays healthy.

Indeed but you go through their team and consider Walker, Dias, Rodri, Silva, Foden, Haaland and De Bruyne and 2 are 30 or older (albeit Dias is overrated).

Ours you would say Van Dijk, Konate, Trent, Robbo, Salah possibly Mac Allister. But in our case Salah and Van Dijk are literally our best two outfield players.
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« Reply #6916 on: March 30, 2024, 12:06:01 am »
Indeed but you go through their team and consider Walker, Dias, Rodri, Silva, Foden, Haaland and De Bruyne and 2 are 30 or older (albeit Dias is overrated).

Who is over 30 for us then? Same amount of players.

Robbo is 30 but he is likely to now be phased out more.

I’m not including Matip/Thiago who not be here.

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« Reply #6917 on: March 30, 2024, 12:07:24 am »
Who is over 30 for us then? Same amount of players.

Robbo is 30 but he is likely to now be phased out more.

I’m not including Matip/Thiago who not be here.

Salah and Van Dijk are literally our two best outfield players. You also cant just disregard Robertson, he is still our best player on that side.

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« Reply #6918 on: March 30, 2024, 12:13:48 am »
The fact that Joyce has done a piece on Amorim makes me think it’s going to be him and it’s almost a formality.

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« Reply #6919 on: March 30, 2024, 12:14:34 am »

Would be happy with Inzaghi. He is the only manager I can think of who is likely to win the 7th for us.